My 2 Cents re Mo-Solo's Negative Vibe

[Anonymous]

I know it probably has to do with davidt being a technical person and therefore it's not intentional,
but some articles deserve more prominence over others. For example, the Pixie Hixon cover is more
visible than Morrissey getting honored with the key to the city. I think positive things should get more
prominence, say have a bigger picture, than negative stuff.
Maybe a rating system, like Facebook's "like" button would help bring out some positivity (or maybe not).

I know we all have high standard and expectations when it comes to Morrissey and that's
why when something is not perfect or the way we imagine it or want it to be, we tend to focus on what is wrong.
We just want to see our boy happy and successful, but it's a bad thing to always look at the negative.
It wouldn't kill us to preface any constructive criticism with something positive.

I don't know why Morrissey does the same with ending every press release with "I have no record
contract". Surely he can say he got some offers or something.

Just my 2 cents.

[optikal]

Well, this could be a waaaaaay better site if there were some changes.

First:
Drop the "anonymous" posting feature. We all know how many "internet heroes" are out there and some of them are "trolling" the site. By deactivating that feature there would be less trolling and therefore one piece of the negativity is eliminated.

Second:
Post things about Rourke, Joyce and Marr in a seperate subforum. What is this? Morrissey-solo? OR Thesmiths.com? A subforum would be nice and there would be more structure. I don't want to read topics about Marr in the headforum.

Third:
Ban Trolls. Get Mods. GOOD mods. There are way too many negative people that are doing nothing more than ridiculing Morrissey and other posters. Where's the respect? I can't get over the fact that this is all tolerated by the mods? On other messageboards you would be banned after one comment. You guys are like people standing by the side if an innocent bystander gets robbed... ban them. Negative, racist, sexist, homophobe,... posts/posters should not be allowed and/or tolerated. And tell some people that straighten their act. I've read some comments from people twice my age that were so childish and rude... Stop acting like an internet tough guy. You're probably pale, balding and missing a tooth. Don't take your frustrations out on other posters.

Fourth:
Why are sooooooo many posters on here always whining about eeeeeeeverything? Seriously? What do you guys want? That he quits? Even then you would be complaining.

Some (I said some) of you sound like a bunch of spoiled brats. But wait a minute...that's exactly what we are!

Morrissey has written some GREAT lyrics and has made some GREAT GREAT songs together with some GREAT musicians. Things evolve. The Gary, Vinnie, Alain,... days are over. Deal with it. You should be glad that Mozzer STILL plays. He could have said "fans? fuck 'em! I'm retiring and i'm gonna chill in Rome bathing in tons of money.". But he's still out there performing and writing new tunes. Some are better than others but AT LEAST HE'S DOING IT! (huh huh huh he said "doing it" beavis)

If Morrissey plays the setlist isn't good, drums were not as hard as the previous drummer, Jesse played a wrong note, ... ah man stop it. Just stop it already. It' s not that you can't critcise him, but it's alwaaaaaaaaays the same old shit. It's really not THAT bad...

When will you be happy? I really wonder what would satisfy some posters on here... (or do I ??)



haters be gone.

[Kewpie]

Well, this could be a waaaaaay better site if there were some changes.

First:
Drop the "anonymous" posting feature. We all know how many "internet heroes" are out there and some of them are "trolling" the site. By deactivating that feature there would be less trolling and therefore one piece of the negativity is eliminated.

Second:
Post things about Rourke, Joyce and Marr in a seperate subforum. What is this? Morrissey-solo? OR Thesmiths.com? A subforum would be nice and there would be more structure. I don't want to read topics about Marr in the headforum.

Third:
Ban Trolls. Get Mods. GOOD mods. There are way too many negative people that are doing nothing more than ridiculing Morrissey and other posters. Where's the respect? I can't get over the fact that this is all tolerated by the mods? On other messageboards you would be banned after one comment. You guys are like people standing by the side if an innocent bystander gets robbed... ban them. Negative, racist, sexist, homophobe,... posts/posters should not be allowed and/or tolerated. And tell some people that straighten their act. I've read some comments from people twice my age that were so childish and rude... Stop acting like an internet tough guy. You're probably pale, balding and missing a tooth. Don't take your frustrations out on other posters.

Fourth:
Why are sooooooo many posters on here always whining about eeeeeeeverything? Seriously? What do you guys want? That he quits? Even then you would be complaining.

Some (I said some) of you sound like a bunch of spoiled brats. But wait a minute...that's exactly what we are!

Morrissey has written some GREAT lyrics and has made some GREAT GREAT songs together with some GREAT musicians. Things evolve. The Gary, Vinnie, Alain,... days are over. Deal with it. You should be glad that Mozzer STILL plays. He could have said "fans? fuck 'em! I'm retiring and i'm gonna chill in Rome bathing in tons of money.". But he's still out there performing and writing new tunes. Some are better than others but AT LEAST HE'S DOING IT! (huh huh huh he said "doing it" beavis)

If Morrissey plays the setlist isn't good, drums were not as hard as the previous drummer, Jesse played a wrong note, ... ah man stop it. Just stop it already. It' s not that you can't critcise him, but it's alwaaaaaaaaays the same old shit. It's really not THAT bad...

When will you be happy? I really wonder what would satisfy some posters on here... (or do I ??)



haters be gone.


Totally unrealistic.

It's like asking Morrissey to eat meat, stop criticising other celebrities and accept knighthood.

[Anonymous]

It's not rocketscience...

[Skylarker]

I know it probably has to do with davidt being a technical person and therefore it's not intentional,
but some articles deserve more prominence over others. For example, the Pixie Hixon cover is more
visible than Morrissey getting honored with the key to the city. I think positive things should get more
prominence, say have a bigger picture, than negative stuff.
Maybe a rating system, like Facebook's "like" button would help bring out some positivity (or maybe not).

I know we all have high standard and expectations when it comes to Morrissey and that's
why when something is not perfect or the way we imagine it or want it to be, we tend to focus on what is wrong.
We just want to see our boy happy and successful, but it's a bad thing to always look at the negative.
It wouldn't kill us to preface any constructive criticism with something positive.

I don't know why Morrissey does the same with ending every press release with "I have no record
contract". Surely he can say he got some offers or something.

Just my 2 cents.

One thing that would REALLY improve this site is if dumb people would post their site suggestions in the "Site Suggestions" thread instead of in the "General Discussion about Morrissey" thread.



Well, this could be a waaaaaay better site if there were some changes.

First:
Drop the "anonymous" posting feature. We all know how many "internet heroes" are out there and some of them are "trolling" the site. By deactivating that feature there would be less trolling and therefore one piece of the negativity is eliminated.

Second:
Post things about Rourke, Joyce and Marr in a seperate subforum. What is this? Morrissey-solo? OR Thesmiths.com? A subforum would be nice and there would be more structure. I don't want to read topics about Marr in the headforum.

Third:
Ban Trolls. Get Mods. GOOD mods. There are way too many negative people that are doing nothing more than ridiculing Morrissey and other posters. Where's the respect? I can't get over the fact that this is all tolerated by the mods? On other messageboards you would be banned after one comment. You guys are like people standing by the side if an innocent bystander gets robbed... ban them. Negative, racist, sexist, homophobe,... posts/posters should not be allowed and/or tolerated. And tell some people that straighten their act. I've read some comments from people twice my age that were so childish and rude... Stop acting like an internet tough guy. You're probably pale, balding and missing a tooth. Don't take your frustrations out on other posters.

Fourth:
Why are sooooooo many posters on here always whining about eeeeeeeverything? Seriously? What do you guys want? That he quits? Even then you would be complaining.

Some (I said some) of you sound like a bunch of spoiled brats. But wait a minute...that's exactly what we are!

Morrissey has written some GREAT lyrics and has made some GREAT GREAT songs together with some GREAT musicians. Things evolve. The Gary, Vinnie, Alain,... days are over. Deal with it. You should be glad that Mozzer STILL plays. He could have said "fans? fuck 'em! I'm retiring and i'm gonna chill in Rome bathing in tons of money.". But he's still out there performing and writing new tunes. Some are better than others but AT LEAST HE'S DOING IT! (huh huh huh he said "doing it" beavis)

If Morrissey plays the setlist isn't good, drums were not as hard as the previous drummer, Jesse played a wrong note, ... ah man stop it. Just stop it already. It' s not that you can't critcise him, but it's alwaaaaaaaaays the same old shit. It's really not THAT bad...

When will you be happy? I really wonder what would satisfy some posters on here... (or do I ??)



haters be gone.

I think it's funny that you agreed with and expounded on an anonymous poster's motion to improve the site, and the first suggestion you made was to get rid of anonymous posters. You're an intellectual giant!



Totally unrealistic.

It's like asking Morrissey to eat meat, stop criticising other celebrities and accept knighthood.

Holy fuck, I actually agree with you!

[Anonymous]

One thing that would REALLY improve this site is if dumb people would post their site suggestions in the "Site Suggestions" thread instead of in the "General Discussion about Morrissey" thread.

You should have posted that at the suggestion thread.

I was following up on the discussion that was held in the comments section of the story regarding Morrissey's interview, where he talked ill of the site. Why was that discussion held outside of the suggestions thread?
Also, I talked about Morrissey and his press releases. You can make a thread about anything and then call people on it, when they post in the general thread, that's what I call dumb.

[Anonymous]

Well, this could be a waaaaaay better site if there were some changes.

First:
Drop the "anonymous" posting feature. We all know how many "internet heroes" are out there and some of them are "trolling" the site. By deactivating that feature there would be less trolling and therefore one piece of the negativity is eliminated.

Second:
Post things about Rourke, Joyce and Marr in a seperate subforum. What is this? Morrissey-solo? OR Thesmiths.com? A subforum would be nice and there would be more structure. I don't want to read topics about Marr in the headforum.

Third:
Ban Trolls. Get Mods. GOOD mods. There are way too many negative people that are doing nothing more than ridiculing Morrissey and other posters. Where's the respect? I can't get over the fact that this is all tolerated by the mods? On other messageboards you would be banned after one comment. You guys are like people standing by the side if an innocent bystander gets robbed... ban them. Negative, racist, sexist, homophobe,... posts/posters should not be allowed and/or tolerated. And tell some people that straighten their act. I've read some comments from people twice my age that were so childish and rude... Stop acting like an internet tough guy. You're probably pale, balding and missing a tooth. Don't take your frustrations out on other posters.

Fourth:
Why are sooooooo many posters on here always whining about eeeeeeeverything? Seriously? What do you guys want? That he quits? Even then you would be complaining.

Some (I said some) of you sound like a bunch of spoiled brats. But wait a minute...that's exactly what we are!

Morrissey has written some GREAT lyrics and has made some GREAT GREAT songs together with some GREAT musicians. Things evolve. The Gary, Vinnie, Alain,... days are over. Deal with it. You should be glad that Mozzer STILL plays. He could have said "fans? fuck 'em! I'm retiring and i'm gonna chill in Rome bathing in tons of money.". But he's still out there performing and writing new tunes. Some are better than others but AT LEAST HE'S DOING IT! (huh huh huh he said "doing it" beavis)

If Morrissey plays the setlist isn't good, drums were not as hard as the previous drummer, Jesse played a wrong note, ... ah man stop it. Just stop it already. It' s not that you can't critcise him, but it's alwaaaaaaaaays the same old shit. It's really not THAT bad...

When will you be happy? I really wonder what would satisfy some posters on here... (or do I ??)

haters be gone.

As for your first suggestion, I think it is not materially different, if someone writes as Anonymous or as a registered user by the name of ShoplifterNo5. Skyscraper or whatever is name is, is still negative, although he or she is a registered user.

As for your second suggestion, I think there are enough sections as it stands now, see Skystalker's comment above.

I agree with your third and fourth suggestions and your comments onwards. Maybe some people's IP addresses should be blocked. I think people criticize because they care, however it obviously isn't helping.

[davidt]

Well, this could be a waaaaaay better site if there were some changes....

haters be gone.

What happened to 'Viva Hate!', "hate makes the world go 'round" as Morrissey once said? Was that just an 80's thing? It appears what you want to say is 'Viva Hate! (but no hate towards Morrissey should be tolerated or anyone else I deem as a 'hater')'.



There are way too many negative people that are doing nothing more than ridiculing Morrissey and other posters. Where's the respect? I can't get over the fact that this is all tolerated by the mods? On other messageboards you would be banned after one comment.

...Stop acting like an internet tough guy. You're probably pale, balding and missing a tooth. Don't take your frustrations out on other posters.

You just made a 'negative' comment generalizing the personal appearances of other posters however, should you be banned by your own guidelines? What I'm getting at is you can't have vague guidelines. Unless you can point out exact examples - name names and posts that you feel are violations, these suggestions are not that useful.

[Anonymous]

What happened to 'Viva Hate!', "hate makes the world go 'round" as Morrissey once said? Was that just an 80's thing? It appears what you want to say is 'Viva Hate! (but no hate towards Morrissey should be tolerated or anyone else I deem as a 'hater')'.



You just made a 'negative' comment generalizing the personal appearances of other posters however, should you be banned by your own guidelines? What I'm getting at is you can't have vague guidelines. Unless you can point out exact examples - name names and posts that you feel are violations, these suggestions are not that useful.

David, the point I was trying to make when I started this thread, is that negativity feeds more negativity from others and from Morrissey. If we all try to focus on and bring to the fore the positive or be more forgiving towards others and Morrissey, the vibe of the site would change. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but in the balance of things, it seems we are leaning too heavily towards it. We criticize things that only Morrissey himself can change and that's futile.

[davidt]

David, the point I was trying to make when I started this thread, is that negativity feeds more negativity from others and from Morrissey. If we all try to focus on and bring to the fore the positive or be more forgiving towards others and Morrissey, the vibe of the site would change. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but in the balance of things, it seems we are leaning too heavily towards it. We criticize things that only Morrissey himself can change and that's futile.

I understand what you are saying. I think there is positivity, but people are generally more interested in 'negative' news. If you want sites that focus on eliminating negativity they are there, but why do more come here? When posting an article I don't look at if it's positive or negative. Different articles are featured on the main page and as they are mainly chronological, at some point it may seem some are more prominent than others to a new visitor but to others who visit more often it may not appear that way and at another point the reverse.

[Anonymous]

I understand what you are saying. I think there is positivity, but people are generally more interested in 'negative' news. If you want sites that focus on eliminating negativity they are there, but why do more come here? When posting an article I don't look at if it's positive or negative. Different articles are featured on the main page and as they are mainly chronological, at some point it may seem some are more prominent than others to a new visitor but to others who visit more often it may not appear that way and at another point the reverse.

yeah, but what I meant is that you as the administrator have the ability to decide what to highlight, not that there shouldn't be any bad news, because this you can't and shouldn't control, but you can give positive news more prominence. This in turn, can influence the vibe of the site, especially when you acknowledge that people are negatively inclined.

[davidt]

yeah, but what I meant is that you as the administrator have the ability to decide what to highlight, not that there shouldn't be any bad news, because this you can't and shouldn't control, but you can give positive news more prominence. This in turn, can influence the vibe of the site, especially when you acknowledge that people are negatively inclined.

Again, this is a bit vague. For example, what do you want me to do, highlight only positive stories on the main page? You think I should bury the story on how Portugal was cancelled to the bottom of the page as it can be seen as 'negative'?

[Anonymous]

One thing that would REALLY improve this site is if dumb people would post their site suggestions in the "Site Suggestions" thread instead of in the "General Discussion about Morrissey" thread.


I think it's funny that you agreed with and expounded on an anonymous poster's motion to improve the site, and the first suggestion you made was to get rid of anonymous posters. You're an intellectual giant!


So what's your point?

What does reacting to an anonymous post, have to do with my intelligence? It's a reaction on a post that happens to be from an anonymous poster.
So your point is that I can't react on someone that posts anonymous because I don't "like" that feature?

What kind of stupid argument is that?

So if we would follow your way of thinking:
- You can't talk to carnivores if you're vegetarian. Or you lack intelligence!!!
- You can't talk react on ANYTHING that girls say if you're gay. And if you do, you lack intelligence!!!
- You can't react on AAAAAAAAAAAAANYTHING that a black guy with dreadlocks says if you don't like dreadlocks...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I'd join a political party if I were you.

[Anonymous]

Again, this is a bit vague. For example, what do you want me to do, highlight only positive stories on the main page? You think I should bury the story on how Portugal was cancelled to the bottom of the page as it can be seen as 'negative'?

no that's not what I said, as the example I gave, the story of someone covering a Smiths song is more visible than Morrissey being honored with the keys to a city. It would have been nice to give such stories more prominence. Just my opinion. Maybe as other sites do, you can do features, next to the chronological news items, or pin some stories as one does in a message board.
Also, people traveling 800 miles to Portugal are bound to be disappointed no matter what in my opinion, that seems to me a rather drastic and expensive thing to do.

[Diet Mountain Dew, Baby]

Yet another hilarious meta-thread.

[davidt]

no that's not what I said, as the example I gave, the story of someone covering a Smiths song is more visible than Morrissey being honored with the keys to a city. It would have been nice to give such stories more prominence. Just my opinion. Maybe as other sites do, you can do features, next to the chronological news items, or pin some stories as one does in a message board.
Also, people traveling 800 miles to Portugal are bound to be disappointed no matter what in my opinion, that seems to me a rather drastic and expensive thing to do.

I don't agree it was more prominent. There are actually two articles mentioning the keys to the city. The second one was added as it was an article on true-to-you.net that also mentioned Morrissey supposedly outselling Madonna and Bruce Springsteen.

[Anonymous]

I don't agree it was more prominent. There are actually two articles mentioning the keys to the city. The second one was added as it was an article on true-to-you.net that also mentioned Morrissey supposedly outselling Madonna and Bruce Springsteen.

As I wrote, I was referring to the picture and visibility, I know it's the technical layout and format of the site, where all items and pictures are the same (small) size, but that I presume can be altered. I don't know who is responsible for true-to-you.net's press releases and if Morrissey sanctions them, as I wrote I question the logic of mentioning he hasn't got a record contract and obviously these things aren't fact checked. This press release could have been added to the older article on the same subject, again that's at your discretion as administrator. Duplicates aren't useful either. Again, just my opinion.

[davidt]

As I wrote, I was referring to the picture and visibility, I know it's the technical layout and format of the site, where all items and pictures are the same (small) size, but that I presume can be altered. I don't know who is responsible for true-to-you.net's press releases and if Morrissey sanctions them, as I wrote I question the logic of mentioning he hasn't got a record contract and obviously these things aren't fact checked. This press release could have been added to the older article on the same subject, again that's at your discretion as administrator. Duplicates aren't useful either. Again, just my opinion.

The thumbnail in the Jemma Pixie Hixon article is actually a video, which is a different size than an image. If a video of the keys to the city was embeddable then it would be the same size. Sure, technically I could go individually into each article and adjust the size of the thumbnail but I don't think it's that important to spend the limited time I have time on. If you came the day the stories were put on the site and also the next day, you would see the top story was the one about the keys to the city.

[Anonymous]

The thumbnail in the Jemma Pixie Hixon article is actually a video, which is a different size than an image. If a video of the keys to the city was embeddable then it would be the same size. Sure, technically I could go individually into each article and adjust the size of the thumbnail but I don't think it's that important to spend the limited time I have time on. If you came the day the stories were put on the site and also the next day, you would see the top story was the one about the keys to the city.

Of course you shouldn't spend your time on it, it should be a template that would have a bigger image or video, and you would only need to choose which articles to highlight, feature or pin (especially when you have good photos or videos to go with an item). What if somebody came a day after the story came up and a new, but not as important, story took the top spot? selected positive items can stay highlighted or pinned for a week or a month, just like the discussion board works. You can also let the users decide via a "like" button (although it is risky with the people here).

[davidt]

Of course you shouldn't spend your time on it, it should be a template that would have a bigger image or video, and you would only need to choose which articles to highlight, feature or pin (especially when you have good photos or videos to go with an item). What if somebody came a day after the story came up and a new, but not as important, story took the top spot? selected positive items can stay highlighted or pinned for a week or a month, just like the discussion board works. You can also let the users decide via a "like" button (although it is risky with the people here).

There already is a feature to pin items to the top. It was at the top for 2 days so I didn't need to pin it. I prefer to keep things moving, no need to keep the same article at the top for a week or a month.

[billybu69]

You could save 90% of the world from 90% of solo negativity, by fitting a trans Atlantic fiter, and leaving the the yanks on there own to balloon at each other.

[Anonymous]

You could save 90% of the world from 90% of solo negativity, by fitting a trans Atlantic fiter, and leaving the the yanks on there own to balloon at each other.

Or put a proper-grammar filter on the site, saving us from posts like yours.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

look, is this site mostly shit now? :eek:
yes :straightface:
best way around this problem is to not come here for very long when you come here:o
just breeze through things quickly, skipping most of it obviously :cool:
trust me, it works :thumb:

[Skylarker]

So what's your point?

What does reacting to an anonymous post, have to do with my intelligence? It's a reaction on a post that happens to be from an anonymous poster.
So your point is that I can't react on someone that posts anonymous because I don't "like" that feature?

What kind of stupid argument is that?

So if we would follow your way of thinking:
- You can't talk to carnivores if you're vegetarian. Or you lack intelligence!!!
- You can't talk react on ANYTHING that girls say if you're gay. And if you do, you lack intelligence!!!
- You can't react on AAAAAAAAAAAAANYTHING that a black guy with dreadlocks says if you don't like dreadlocks...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I'd join a political party if I were you.

First of all I assume you are "optikal" as it is my response to his post you seem to be referring to...yet now you are posting anonymously...even though you think that the anonymous posting feature should be nixed...

Secondly, it's called "irony." An anonymous poster started a thread on how to improve the site; you jumped on board and expounded on his ideas, including, foremost, your suggestion that anonymous posters should not be allowed to post.

Do I have to explain it further?

[Anonymous]

There already is a feature to pin items to the top. It was at the top for 2 days so I didn't need to pin it. I prefer to keep things moving, no need to keep the same article at the top for a week or a month.

well, we're going nowhere with this. I understand you don't want to make any changes and that's fine, it's your site. I thought putting the positive items into focus, instead of the negative, would make the site's visitors more positive, especially those who do not visit on a daily basis and sometimes miss them. I understand you're doing this a long time and your feelings towards Morrissey are probably not the same, as they were back when you started. Being a technical person you probably attribute lesser importance to graphics and the visuals. You have your truth and things are black and white and by the book, but you have to remember this is supposed to be a fan site, not strictly a news site that lists the news as they come, not putting emphasis on anything in particular and just filing articles in. Again, only my 2 cents. You probably feel Morrissey is ungrateful and maybe he is, I think you would be right to expect financial or other assistance from him, but that's how people are and that's why I always kick myself if I put someone's best interests before mine and without them asking. Anyway, thanks for listening.

[Borewhore]

look, is this site mostly shit now? :eek:
yes :straightface:
best way around this problem is to not come here for very long when you come here:o
just breeze through things quickly, skipping most of it obviously :cool:
trust me, it works :thumb:


Works perfectly for me! ^5

[applebuttaz]

Davidt be damned! How dare you not post morrissey's biggest accomplishment in years?! Receiving the keys to the city?!...that's front headline news worthy! Call in the bcc and the rest of their 5 thousand channels and call in msnbc and fox, other news stations!

[Anonymous]

Davidt be damned! How dare you not post morrissey's biggest accomplishment in years?! Receiving the keys to the city?!...that's front headline news worthy! Call in the bcc and the rest of their 5 thousand channels and call in msnbc and fox, other news stations!

No need to be sarcastic.

Davidt, I thought about something that I think we can agree on. Since the banner graphics are now history, the site visually looks to me at least a bit gloomy and lifeless. I think you can use the same script that you used for the banners, to feature interchanging photos (the image would change every time you reload the main page, as it did with the banners), with the images of the last month or calendar month, with a short caption and a link to the story it pertains to. I believe most stories with pictures are positive anyways, so it would be mostly positive and would bring some color back to the site. I'm sure you can find an appropriate, noticeable spot for a mid or large size photo.
I think it won't take a lot of time to put on and maintain.
What do you think?

[cornelius blaze]

look, is this site mostly shit now? :eek:
yes :straightface:
best way around this problem is to not come here for very long when you come here:o
just breeze through things quickly, skipping most of it obviously :cool:
trust me, it works :thumb:

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[peptastic]

I think vibes of any sort is too subjective.

I don't think the negative "Moz is retiring" story from the guardian made the site in any way negative to discuss it. Though the spirit of the article was in a way negative. More important,the follow-up that he wasn't retiring. :)
Whitewashing the site and pretending lawsuits with n.m.e don't happen would be foolish. As fans we find that thing interesting.

We can handle different news without being affected emotionally. I don't need Davidt to protect me from the big bad n.m.e for example.

[Anonymous]

I think vibes of any sort is too subjective.

I don't think the negative "Moz is retiring" story from the guardian made the site in any way negative to discuss it. Though the spirit of the article was in a way negative. More important,the follow-up that he wasn't retiring. :)
Whitewashing the site and pretending lawsuits with n.m.e don't happen would be foolish. As fans we find that thing interesting.

We can handle different news without being affected emotionally. I don't need Davidt to protect me from the big bad n.m.e for example.

I thought we would all enjoy it, if the positive stories were highlighted in some way. Especially from the visual standpoint, why not utilize the photographs you have in a more prominent way and add some color to the site? Say photos or videos from the latest gig, Morrissey sighting or poster. Why instead settle for thumbnails? The only color in the site were the banners and now they are also gone. It just looks like it is a site for software developers with the latest Java updates, instead of a fan site and a site about music and the arts. That's what I was alluding to when I said Davidt was a technical person. He's more interested in the site's code, etc. and there's nothing wrong with it. I just thought I'd suggest some kind of a change, which wouldn't require much work on his part.

[!Viva Hate!]

I thought we would all enjoy it, if the positive stories were highlighted in some way. Especially from the visual standpoint, why not utilize the photographs you have in a more prominent way and add some color to the site? Say photos or videos from the latest gig, Morrissey sighting or poster. Why instead settle for thumbnails? The only color in the site were the banners and now they are also gone. It just looks like it is a site for software developers with the latest Java updates, instead of a fan site and a site about music and the arts. That's what I was alluding to when I said Davidt was a technical person. He's more interested in the site's code, etc. and there's nothing wrong with it. I just thought I'd suggest some kind of a change, which wouldn't require much work on his part.

Your suggestions go against entirely everything that is taught in Web Design.

[Anonymous]

Your suggestions go against entirely everything that is taught in Web Design.

No it's not. Just look at the websites of CNN, NBC, NY Times, etc. The headline picture is always a large size photo and often larger than the other stories' pictures. I suggested to dedicate a section (perhaps above the Recent Article Comments on the right) that would contain a medium or large size photo or video, that changes every time you load the site, each time from a different story from the last week or month.

[!Viva Hate!]

No it's not. Just look at the websites of CNN, NBC, NY Times, etc. The headline picture is always a large size photo and often larger than the other stories' pictures. I suggested to dedicate a section (perhaps above the Recent Article Comments on the right) that would contain a medium or large size photo or video, that changes every time you load the site, each time from a different story from the last week or month.

So because CNN, NBC, and the NY Times does it, that means it ceases to go against what schools teach concerning Web Design?

The goal usually sought after is supposed to be sleekness, a uniform and complementary color scheme, and a design and format conveying your message that takes up the least possible space without being illegible...and to be fair, this is part of the reason I find all of the sites you just listed to be absolutely unappealing as far as aesthetics go. Those pages are so cluttered with mess and uselessness I'm surprised anyone even frequents them.

Also, you're proposing something that would potentially highlight stories that others have deemed negative...unless you're advocating hand-picked stories rather than a random generator.

[Anonymous]

So because CNN, NBC, and the NY Times does it, that means it ceases to go against what schools teach concerning Web Design?

The goal usually sought after is supposed to be sleekness, a uniform and complementary color scheme, and a design and format conveying your message that takes up the least possible space without being illegible...and to be fair, this is part of the reason I find all of the sites you just listed to be absolutely unappealing as far as aesthetics go. Those pages are so cluttered with mess and uselessness I'm surprised anyone even frequents them.

Also, you're proposing something that would potentially highlight stories that others have deemed negative...unless you're advocating hand-picked stories rather than a random generator.

I don't think one has to go to a 'Web Design school' to be a web designer and I don't know what their design rules are and why would one have to go by these rules (which obviously no one does anyway). Maybe you went to a Web Design school and therefore believe your opinion matters over that of the biggest professionals in the field.
If the design is about conveying a message, what do you think this site's message is currently?

The NY Times and CNN sites are quite conservative and are what news sites, like Mo-Solo, usually look like.
Mo-Solo's layout is based on a general free source code, which can be used for sites of all sorts. There's nothing wrong with adjusting it to the desired purpose here, which is a musical artist fan site. You want a front page design that says that and that has some color in it.

Had you read the thread you would know Davidt was against hand picking which stories to highlight, for time constraint reasons and/or for his belief that the stories should keep moving. I suggested the random generator, as most stories with pictures and videos are positive in any case and it would be automatic, so it won't take much time to maintain, just putting the pictures and videos into a folder, which he already does.

[davidt]

I don't think one has to go to a 'Web Design school' to be a web designer and I don't know what their design rules are and why would one have to go by these rules (which obviously no one does anyway). Maybe you went to a Web Design school and therefore believe your opinion matters over that of the biggest professionals in the field.
If the design is about conveying a message, what do you think this site's message is currently?

The NY Times and CNN sites are quite conservative and are what news sites, like Mo-Solo, usually look like.
Mo-Solo's layout is based on a general free source code, which can be used for sites of all sorts. There's nothing wrong with adjusting it to the desired purpose here, which is a musical artist fan site. You want a front page design that says that and that has some color in it.

Had you read the thread you would know Davidt was against hand picking which stories to highlight, for time constraint reasons and/or for his belief that the stories should keep moving. I suggested the random generator, as most stories with pictures and videos are positive in any case and it would be automatic, so it won't take much time to maintain, just putting the pictures and videos into a folder, which he already does.

You are correct in that I am not much of a visual designer. Perhaps you can come up with a mock up graphic on an updated design and others can give some feedback. The main goal is to provide information / links to the latest items of interest so I think a chronological display is best. Any hand-picked articles, randomly generated articles, or large graphics that have been seen for more than a week would be a deterrent to the main goal.

[Anonymous]

You are correct in that I am not much of a visual designer. Perhaps you can come up with a mock up graphic on an updated design and others can give some feedback. The main goal is to provide information / links to the latest items of interest so I think a chronological display is best. Any hand-picked articles, randomly generated articles, or large graphics that have been seen for more than a week would be a deterrent to the main goal.

I'm not talking about a complete revamp of the site, because it's mainly a news site and the current format is appropriate.
A complete change of the graphics would require a lot of work and changing the site's code. That's why I suggested above, a small feature section on the right side with a random picture or video, which would not affect the chronological display and would not require a lot of work. I thought it would be best if the pictures/videos were related to the stories of the last month or week to keep things current, but you can choose whatever theme you like, you have a large gallery on the site already or you can embed chosen Morrissey, Morrissey influenced or Morrissey's own influences videos from Youtube. I can make a mock up graphic, though it doesn't seem anyone's too keen on the idea.

[!Viva Hate!]

I don't think one has to go to a 'Web Design school' to be a web designer

I didn't say they did.


and I don't know what their design rules are

Correct.


and why would one have to go by these rules

No one HAS to go by anything. I simply stated that the suggestions offered are the exact opposite of what most professional instructors teach.


(which obviously no one does anyway).

Plenty of sites do. Search engines such as Google being the most blatantly obvious examples. In fact, most pages that feature frames implement the same basic design. Even Morrissey's official site ItsMorrisseysWorld.com during the release of 'Refusal' and 'Swords' had a similar design.


Maybe you went to a Web Design school and therefore believe your opinion matters over that of the biggest professionals in the field.

I have seen sites designed by high school students that are more professional than CNN.com, NBC.com, and the NY Times. It takes nearly no effort or imagination at all to create a framed web page with Shockwave animations and Java dropdown menus. Are YOU one of the biggest professionals in the field or do you assume that because NBC, CNN, and the NY Times has a website, then it must have been designed by the best of the best?

If I recall, even Morrissey's official website was just an edited form of a template that Universal Music used for a number of their artists that they had purchased from a small-time web designer. Hell, even when I was in high school businesses and newspapers/news channels would essentially hire their web design work out to students for passing grades!


If the design is about conveying a message, what do you think this site's message is currently?

I think the design conveys what the site outside of the forums and comments essentially is - a cold, unbiased database.

And when it comes down to it, what color scheme really fits a site about Morrissey? You can't very well splash two-tone red & yellow everywhere just for the sake of adding color.

Like DavidT pretty much said, if you can think of something that looks good, he likes, and that works...he'll consider it. If you can do something positive like this to help the site, by all means go for it.


The NY Times and CNN sites are quite conservative and are what news sites, like Mo-Solo, usually look like.

Those sites, especially CNN, fill a large portion of 'the first thing you see' area with advertisements. Not only is counterproductive, it's annoying. A site is supposed to be designed with convenience in mind and the average person doesn't want to have to go searching for something because it's been buried by clutter. The thing I like about Solo's design is that it isn't a bunch of Headlines with a thumbnail and that's that. You at least have an idea of the content of the article before you click on it.


Mo-Solo's layout is based on a general free source code, which can be used for sites of all sorts. There's nothing wrong with adjusting it to the desired purpose here, which is a musical artist fan site. You want a front page design that says that and that has some color in it.

I agree. But until someone comes up with an improvement that works, I think this scheme is just fine.


Had you read the thread you would know Davidt was against hand picking which stories to highlight, for time constraint reasons and/or for his belief that the stories should keep moving.

I read it, I was just being sarcastic.


I suggested the random generator, as most stories with pictures and videos are positive in any case and it would be automatic, so it won't take much time to maintain, just putting the pictures and videos into a folder, which he already does.

Only, it isn't that simple. He would have to go back and edit previous articles to include pictures, as most don't include any pictures or videos whatsoever, AND the majority of articles do not have any videos or images remotely related to them with the exception of the post show reports during a tour.

[Anonymous]

I'm not talking about a complete revamp of the site, because it's mainly a news site and the current format is appropriate.
A complete change of the graphics would require a lot of work and changing the site's code. That's why I suggested above, a small feature section on the right side with a random picture or video, which would not affect the chronological display and would not require a lot of work. I thought it would be best if the pictures/videos were related to the stories of the last month or week to keep things current, but you can choose whatever theme you like, you have a large gallery on the site already or you can embed chosen Morrissey, Morrissey influenced or Morrissey's own influences videos from Youtube. I can make a mock up graphic, though it doesn't seem anyone's too keen on the idea.


Here's a mock up graphic I made, you should see how it works out effort-wise in regards to resizing images to fit the format:

http://s16.postimage.org/exyr6fkr9/mso.jpg

http://s16.postimage.org/exyr6fkr9/mso.jpg

[davidt]

Here's a mock up graphic I made, you should see how it works out effort-wise in regards to resizing images to fit the format:

http://s16.postimage.org/exyr6fkr9/mso.jpg



I'll let others chime in with feedback to see if there is a strong interest but from my perspective:

1. Adding images slows down the web page in general - it's pretty optimized with small images but adding 3 large images would probably double the page load time with the size of the images and 3 additional image requests. It also pushes the main content down. As I mentioned before, it gets in the way of the main goal of getting the latest information. While at first glance it may be visually more appealing, I prefer to minimize the use of graphics.

2. The code changes for the images above the top 2 articles would not be trivial. The images are also an odd size - relying on automatically cropping images within the article would likely not be effective, I would have to custom crop and upload an image for each one which would probably double / triple the time it takes to publish an article.

3. Adding a module in the right column with an image would not be that hard with the current software. Each image would likely need to also be custom cropped to fit in that location so that is a bit of additional publishing work. I did choose to feature images before at the top of the page early in the site's history, around 1997-1998 and the extra time it took to choosing / sizing images frequently became a bit too much. Keep in mind this is not a site like CNN or the NY Times where there are a staff of several editors / programmers focused on content full-time. Seems like there should be some text indicating why that image is there. Does it link to something? Maybe it's the image you chose and I am not the 'frink' type but I wouldn't have thought to feature this image. Perhaps you want to volunteer to be the photo editor?

[Anonymous]

I'll let others chime in with feedback to see if there is a strong interest but from my perspective:

1. Adding images slows down the web page in general - it's pretty optimized with small images but adding 3 large images would probably double the page load time with the size of the images and 3 additional image requests. It also pushes the main content down. As I mentioned before, it gets in the way of the main goal of getting the latest information. While at first glance it may be visually more appealing, I prefer to minimize the use of graphics.

2. The code changes for the images above the top 2 articles would not be trivial. The images are also an odd size - relying on automatically cropping images within the article would likely not be effective, I would have to custom crop and upload an image for each one which would probably double / triple the time it takes to publish an article.

3. Adding a module in the right column with an image would not be that hard with the current software. Each image would likely need to also be custom cropped to fit in that location so that is a bit of additional publishing work. I did choose to feature images before at the top of the page early in the site's history, around 1997-1998 and the extra time it took to choosing / sizing images frequently became a bit too much. Keep in mind this is not a site like CNN or the NY Times where there are a staff of several editors / programmers focused on content full-time. Seems like there should be some text indicating why that image is there. Does it link to something? Maybe it's the image you chose and I am not the 'frink' type but I wouldn't have thought to feature this image. Perhaps you want to volunteer to be the photo editor?

1. With most people using broadband these days, it really doesn't slow down the site. It affects the bandwidth the site uses slightly and whether it has further cost to you, only you would know. It doesn't push the main content down, as I used the space that is already there, with the 'MAIN'/'Home'" title, which is pretty redundant anyway. So it doesn't get in the way of getting to the latest info. If the images are good, they help you know what the content would be about, before even reading the summaries of the articles.

2. You can choose whichever image size you want, but if you care about the visuals and what 'looks good', it sometimes means odd image sizes. I presume there are scripts out there that minimize the image to the desired size, or crop it, like for example on Facebook's main Timeline page, where there's a background image that expands when you go over it. As you want the stories to go up as fast as possible, it is best to rely upon an automatic script.
For stories that do not have pictures, or would only have pictures later on, you would use general images according to their category - i.e. Smiths related, shows, interviews, etc.

3. As for the module at the right of the page. Yes of course it would have a caption and a link to the relevant story. You can pick any theme you fancy.
I suggested random stories/pictures from the last month, because all you would have to do is put the pictures in one folder. I don't think cropping is less of an issue with the right pane module.
I acknowledge that commercial sites have staff, but I am sure there are automatic scripts out there that can resize and/or crop images on the fly, perhaps the outcome would not always be ideal being automatic and all, but it would mean less time and effort. I'm sure bigger sites use automatic tools as well - ready made templates or macros in Photoshop to crop the images to their site's needs. As it's important for you to get the story up, it would slow things down if you would have to rely on another person and wait for him or her to do their thing. It doesn't mean a lot of work, because there aren't too many stories in a week, like the NY Times has to deal with and some of the stories are would use generic images and would be already prepeard.

So I think it boils down to finding the right script for the site, or for cropping images to a predetermined size offline and on the fly - I can look around. If you want people to give their opinion on this look beforehand, that's fine by me.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, I made a few mistakes up there, I meant cropping is less of an issue with the right pane.

[davidt]

1. With most people using broadband these days, it really doesn't slow down the site. It affects the bandwidth the site uses slightly and whether it has further cost to you, only you would know. It doesn't push the main content down, as I used the space that is already there, with the 'MAIN'/'Home'" title, which is pretty redundant anyway. So it doesn't get in the way of getting to the latest info. If the images are good, they help you know what the content would be about, before even reading the summaries of the articles.

2. You can choose whichever image size you want, but if you care about the visuals and what 'looks good', it sometimes means odd image sizes. I presume there are scripts out there that minimize the image to the desired size, or crop it, like for example on Facebook's main Timeline page, where there's a background image that expands when you go over it. As you want the stories to go up as fast as possible, it is best to rely upon an automatic script.
For stories that do not have pictures, or would only have pictures later on, you would use general images according to their category - i.e. Smiths related, shows, interviews, etc.

3. As for the module at the right of the page. Yes of course it would have a caption and a link to the relevant story. You can pick any theme you fancy.
I suggested random stories/pictures from the last month, because all you would have to do is put the pictures in one folder. I don't think cropping is less of an issue with the right pane module.
I acknowledge that commercial sites have staff, but I am sure there are automatic scripts out there that can resize and/or crop images on the fly, perhaps the outcome would not always be ideal being automatic and all, but it would mean less time and effort. I'm sure bigger sites use automatic tools as well - ready made templates or macros in Photoshop to crop the images to their site's needs. As it's important for you to get the story up, it would slow things down if you would have to rely on another person and wait for him or her to do their thing. It doesn't mean a lot of work, because there aren't too many stories in a week, like the NY Times has to deal with and some of the stories are would use generic images and would be already prepeard.

So I think it boils down to finding the right script for the site, or for cropping images to a predetermined size offline and on the fly - I can look around. If you want people to give their opinion on this look beforehand, that's fine by me.

I'm not worried about the cost - load time is a factor I pay a lot of attention to and have optimized over the years. While most people have broadband on the desktop, more people are accessing it through limited connections / mobile browsers. While you say it doesn't push the content down, it actually does with properly balanced whitespace, especially noticeable on limited screens such as mobile phones. You mentioned some of the elements are redundant but they are there for consistency with the other pages on the site and provide some hints on navigation. While there may be some scripts out there to help, I don't think there is any magic one - it would still be a considerable extra effort to get it set up right and on an ongoing basis.

I've actually looked at using some marquee type plugins for vbulletin in the past which have a similar idea to visualize features but prefer the text-based / chronological approach. There are already thumbnails for stories, not featured like you imagined but it works for the most part. I appreciate that you went to the trouble of creating the mockup and explained how you think it should work. I hope my explanations are reasonable.

I have waited for other feedback, so far I don't see anyone saying 'wow, that would really add value to the site' and I don't feel it myself to make it a high priority considering the tradeoffs and effort. A new version of vBulletin will be released sometime this year, perhaps it will include some similar functionality for the content management or make it easier to add it. I prefer not to add customization at this point as the changes would likely need to be re-written for the new version or may not be needed. The exception is the wiki mentioned in another thread which I think will add much more value and is the highest priority right now.

[Anonymous]

I'm not worried about the cost - load time is a factor I pay a lot of attention to and have optimized over the years. While most people have broadband on the desktop, more people are accessing it through limited connections / mobile browsers. While you say it doesn't push the content down, it actually does with properly balanced whitespace, especially noticeable on limited screens such as mobile phones. You mentioned some of the elements are redundant but they are there for consistency with the other pages on the site and provide some hints on navigation. While there may be some scripts out there to help, I don't think there is any magic one - it would still be a considerable extra effort to get it set up right and on an ongoing basis.

I've actually looked at using some marquee type plugins for vbulletin in the past which have a similar idea to visualize features but prefer the text-based / chronological approach. There are already thumbnails for stories, not featured like you imagined but it works for the most part. I appreciate that you went to the trouble of creating the mockup and explained how you think it should work. I hope my explanations are reasonable.

I have waited for other feedback, so far I don't see anyone saying 'wow, that would really add value to the site' and I don't feel it myself to make it a high priority considering the tradeoffs and effort. A new version of vBulletin will be released sometime this year, perhaps it will include some similar functionality for the content management or make it easier to add it. I prefer not to add customization at this point as the changes would likely need to be re-written for the new version or may not be needed. The exception is the wiki mentioned in another thread which I think will add much more value and is the highest priority right now.

We can put it on a new thread, as I don't think anyone goes into this one. Perhaps ask people how it looks on their mobiles and how fast it loads (though it's an image, it's only 376KB, without even lowering the quality, when it's in HTML and text it would be even smaller in size). I meant the text that reads 'MAIN' and the link to 'Home' are redundant and can also be easily moved. Adding a couple of images is while not a major change to the code, is a major change to the look and feel of the site. Even an image on the right-hand side, with the same mechanism of the banners can make a huge difference.

[smiler]

What happened to 'Viva Hate!', "hate makes the world go 'round" as Morrissey once said? Was that just an 80's thing? It appears what you want to say is 'Viva Hate! (but no hate towards Morrissey should be tolerated or anyone else I deem as a 'hater')'.


This is you at your most disingenuous, Morrissey wasn't endorsing hate, the statement "Viva Hate" was a reflection of the prevailing negative mood of the time. He wasn't saying hate is fun or good and we should all he hateful to each other more. When he said "Hate makes the world go round" it wasn't with delight it was with despair. Of course you must realise this, you are just deliberatley misunderstanding to make a point. Its the same point everytime "Morrissey says mean things too, so it must be okay to be mean" forgetting of course that Morrissey is a pop star/artist whereas this is a (hateful) fan website and context is everything. Then you follow it up with "Give me real examples" dispite being given real examples constantly and dismissing them all - can't you see the examples for yourself are you blind? they are everywhere. This kind of thing tells the tale on you, this site has a negative vibe because you want it to have a negative vibe. You're ongoing dispute with Morrissey has made you bitter and resentful and its visible on every page of the site (between the lines) but you can't let go. You are an obsessive completist super fan whose site has become a self-referencing warped parody, yet you have to stay till the bitter end. You can't back down even though you are in the wrong because "Morrissey would never back down" - yawn. You long for Morrissey to retire so you too can stop and so you promote the notion (held only by you, the majority of the mods and the three mental patients - and I don't even need to name them, hilariously EVERYONE knows who they are - even you!) that he is past it or greedy or mad or worse (dispite the facts) in the hope that fans will abandon him and force his hand. Trouble is fans aren't abandoning him they are abondoning here, he goes from strength to strength. This place isn't "free" or "open" like you boast, if it were it would be reflective of the opinions of real fans who by the way are buying tickets in record times the world over. These are good times for Morrissey the story is far from over, much to your dismay.

[Uncleskinny]

Here you are again, riding in on your white charger defending someone who you believe have been slighted. Slighted. Are you so thick that you don't understand the concept of opinion? David doesn't make every post on here, the users do, as you have done. Why don't you understand that very simple point? Not everyone agrees with you, and they are saying so. It seems to me that you want a site that only prints complimentary things about Morrissey. They exist, so go enjoy them. Here you get the whole gamut of opinion, and you don't like it. It's called life. People disagree. People have opinions you don't like. The more you fucking whine and whine and whine about David "...wanting the site to have a negative vibe..." the more stupid you look, if that's at all possible. You know what? I'll defend your right to say what the hell you like, but I'm going to pick up on outright ridiculousness. Let me say it again - the users make this site, the users comment.

P.

[smiler]

Here you are again, riding in on your white charger defending someone who you believe have been slighted. Slighted. Are you so thick that you don't understand the concept of opinion? David doesn't make every post on here, the users do, as you have done. Why don't you understand that very simple point? Not everyone agrees with you, and they are saying so. It seems to me that you want a site that only prints complimentary things about Morrissey. They exist, so go enjoy them. Here you get the whole gamut of opinion, and you don't like it. It's called life. People disagree. People have opinions you don't like. The more you fucking whine and whine and whine about David "...wanting the site to have a negative vibe..." the more stupid you look, if that's at all possible. You know what? I'll defend your right to say what the hell you like, but I'm going to pick up on outright ridiculousness. Let me say it again - the users make this site, the users comment.

P.

Lets not pretend Peter. The site is disproportionately dominated by a handful of people who think Morrissey is past it, greedy, mad or worse. Don't you recognise yourself? It isn't about disliking opinion. Lets be clear I DO NOT WANT THIS SITE TO PRINT ONLY COMPLIMENTARY THINGS, you repeat that endlessly because you can't actually address the points i raise. When you have moderators and T and C's you don't need to let trolls dominate. You don't need to allow negative voices to dominate when they are being disproportionaly loud, the tools are in place. It isn't "life" Peter because it doesn't reflect reality. Its a smokescreen, there is a negative bias here, simple as that, the clues are everywhere, look at this comment from David just now "The second one was added as it was an article on true-to-you.net that also mentioned Morrissey supposedly outselling Madonna and Bruce Springsteen. " - hey! whats with the SUPPOSEDLY - you gotta problem with someone David - why not just say it?

[Skylarker]

Lets not pretend Peter. The site is disproportionately dominated by a handful of people who think Morrissey is past it, greedy, mad or worse. Don't you recognise yourself? It isn't about disliking opinion. Lets be clear I DO NOT WANT THIS SITE TO PRINT ONLY COMPLIMENTARY THINGS, you repeat that endlessly because you can't actually address the points i raise. When you have moderators and T and C's you don't need to let trolls dominate. You don't need to allow negative voices to dominate when they are being disproportionaly loud, the tools are in place. It isn't "life" Peter because it doesn't reflect reality. Its a smokescreen, there is a negative bias here, simple as that, the clues are everywhere, look at this comment from David just now "The second one was added as it was an article on true-to-you.net that also mentioned Morrissey supposedly outselling Madonna and Bruce Springsteen. " - hey! whats with the SUPPOSEDLY - you gotta problem with someone David - why not just say it?

Here we go again...:rolleyes:

[Uncleskinny]

Lets not pretend Peter. The site is disproportionately dominated by a handful of people who think Morrissey is past it, greedy, mad or worse. Don't you recognise yourself? It isn't about disliking opinion. Lets be clear I DO NOT WANT THIS SITE TO PRINT ONLY COMPLIMENTARY THINGS, you repeat that endlessly because you can't actually address the points i raise. When you have moderators and T and C's you don't need to let trolls dominate. You don't need to allow negative voices to dominate when they are being disproportionaly loud, the tools are in place. It isn't "life" Peter because it doesn't reflect reality. Its a smokescreen, there is a negative bias here, simple as that, the clues are everywhere, look at this comment from David just now "The second one was added as it was an article on true-to-you.net that also mentioned Morrissey supposedly outselling Madonna and Bruce Springsteen. " - hey! whats with the SUPPOSEDLY - you gotta problem with someone David - why not just say it?

And so it begins. Blind and deaf to everything. Look chummy - here's a rope, go and metaphorically hang yourself.

P.

[smiler]

And so it begins. Blind and deaf to everything. Look chummy - here's a rope, go and metaphorically hang yourself.

P.

hahahah - nothing to say i see guess that makes you dumb.

And look everyone I address David and BOOM as if by magic the mental patients begin to arrive

[Uncleskinny]

hahahah - nothing to say i see guess that makes you dumb.

And look everyone I address David and BOOM as if by magic the mental patients begin to arrive

Flawless logic. Absolutely brilliant.

P.

[smiler]

Flawless logic. Absolutely brilliant.

P.

no one asked you

[davidt]

This is you at your most disingenuous, Morrissey wasn't endorsing hate, the statement "Viva Hate" was a reflection of the prevailing negative mood of the time. He wasn't saying hate is fun or good and we should all he hateful to each other more.

It dosen't fit your agenda but did you ever notice that most of Morrissey's statements towards others are largely negative? Again, what do you want me to do, censor views that are perceived as 'negative'? Like what?


look at this comment from David just now "The second one was added as it was an article on true-to-you.net that also mentioned Morrissey supposedly outselling Madonna and Bruce Springsteen. " - hey! whats with the SUPPOSEDLY - you gotta problem with someone David - why not just say it?

Maybe you've been away a while and need to catch up, but look at the statement:

"The final ticket count for Morrissey's show at Bitan 1, at 5,900, out-sold recent shows by both Bruce Springsteen and Madonna." - true-to-you.net

and this comment in the thread (http://www.morrissey-solo.com/content/849-Morrissey-granted-the-Keys-to-the-City-by-the-mayor-of-Tel-Aviv-ticket-sales-information-true-to-you-net), specifically:


Something is a bit off with the figures quoted in the TTY statement. I hate to knit pick, but, really...



I think 33,000 is slightly more than 5000.

http://www.billboard.com/events/roger-waters-tops-mid-year-touring-chart-1007617752.story#/events/hot-tours-madonna-lady-gaga-cirque-du-soleil-1007586552.story
http://www.shalomlife.com/culture/17301/madonna-thrills-over-30000-fans-in-israel/

Also, Bruce Springsteen has never performed in Israel (as of yet). Promoters were discussing something last fall for this June (at the same stadium Madonna performed at), but the plans fell through.
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-jews-should-love-bruce-springsteen/

:confused:

It's hard to think that his PR people could post such inaccurate statements. I mean, five minutes of Internet research could tell you this stuff. It seems it could be a bit embarrassing for Morrissey if it's not corrected by the TTY peeps and it were to get out into the regular press.
I understand that he is proud of how his show is selling, but come on...

Or maybe I'm just missing something behind the scenes?

If you feel it is 'negative' to question the statement that Morrissey outsold both Bruce Springsteen and Madonna in Israel after reading those links (and just using some common sense), it's probably best you just stay at true-to-you and stay 'positive'.

[Skylarker]

it's probably best you just stay at true-to-you and stay 'positive'.


:guitar: :guitar: :guitar:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-z5_JVng_w

[smiler]

It dosen't fit your agenda but did you ever notice that most of Morrissey's statements towards others are largely negative? Again, what do you want me to do, censor views that are perceived as 'negative'? Like what?


Maybe you've been away a while and need to catch up, but look at the statement:

"The final ticket count for Morrissey's show at Bitan 1, at 5,900, out-sold recent shows by both Bruce Springsteen and Madonna." - true-to-you.net

and this comment in the thread (http://www.morrissey-solo.com/content/849-Morrissey-granted-the-Keys-to-the-City-by-the-mayor-of-Tel-Aviv-ticket-sales-information-true-to-you-net), specifically:



If you feel it is 'negative' to question the statement that Morrissey outsold both Bruce Springsteen and Madonna in Israel after reading those links (and just using some common sense), it's probably best you just stay at true-to-you and stay 'positive'.

I don't have an agenda. Again your point is the same "Morrissey says mean things so it must be okay" yes well spotted Morrissey sometimes says mean things, but so what? if he starts trolling this website then by all means ban him. Its about context - this is a fan forum. Again I am not saying I want censorship, stop pretending to misunderstand me. Someone made some senible suggestions earlier on in this thread and that got mocked, its clear you know what I mean, I'm not the only one saying it

I took "out sold" to mean "sold out faster than" when i read that statement on True to You, now I'm not sure what it means, it didn't even enter my mind at the time that it was suggesting Morrisey sold out bigger venues. Also it says "recent shows" not recent shows in Israel. Why make an issue out of it and why be snide about it? As though to say "He's trying to make out he's more popular than he really is - what a deluded fool - pft!"

[davidt]

This is you at your most disingenuous, Morrissey wasn't endorsing hate, the statement "Viva Hate" was a reflection of the prevailing negative mood of the time. He wasn't saying hate is fun or good and we should all he hateful to each other more. When he said "Hate makes the world go round" it wasn't with delight it was with despair.

Below is the quote which shows your statement that Morrissey wasn't endorsing hate is incorrect. Also, I don't feel hate is fun and we should all be hateful either. What I'm saying is that I'm not going to delete / ban / censor if people make statements that are.

http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/mozdisc1/vivahate.htm

"Like many other titles, it simply suggested itself and had to be. It was absolutely how I felt post-Smiths and the way I continue to feel. That's just the way the world is. I find hate omnipresent, and love very difficult to find. Hate makes the world go round."
- Morrissey explaining the title 'Viva Hate', Melody Maker, 3/12/88

[smiler]

Below is the quote which shows your statement that Morrissey wasn't endorsing hate is incorrect. Also, I don't feel hate is fun and we should all be hateful either. What I'm saying is that I'm not going to delete / ban / censor if people make statements that are.

http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/mozdisc1/vivahate.htm

"Like many other titles, it simply suggested itself and had to be. It was absolutely how I felt post-Smiths and the way I continue to feel. That's just the way the world is. I find hate omnipresent, and love very difficult to find. Hate makes the world go round."
- Morrissey explaining the title 'Viva Hate', Melody Maker, 3/12/88

He found hate everywhere, he felt it all around him, it was the prevailing, driving mood - thats exactly what i said before. He wasn't endorsing hate! Tell me you haven't thought he was actually endorsing hate for all this time, its an ironic declaration, don't you get it? He even says love is hard to find - its love he's looking for. Crumbs. This thread is already a smoking gun on your negativity. You always reach for the shitty end of the stick - why?

[Uncleskinny]

He found hate everywhere, he felt it all around him, it was the prevailing, driving mood - thats exactly what i said before. He wasn't endorsing hate! Tell me you haven't thought he was actually endorsing hate for all this time, its an ironic declaration, don't you get it? He even says love is hard to find - its love he's looking for. Crumbs. This thread is already a smoking gun on your negativity. You always reach for the shitty end of the stick - why?

Fucks sake. Give it up. You sad, sad, straw-clutching tool.

P.

[Kewpie]

He found hate everywhere, he felt it all around him, it was the prevailing, driving mood - thats exactly what i said before. He wasn't endorsing hate! Tell me you haven't thought he was actually endorsing hate for all this time, its an ironic declaration, don't you get it? He even says love is hard to find - its love he's looking for. Crumbs. This thread is already a smoking gun on your negativity. You always reach for the shitty end of the stick - why?

It's not David's view on Morrissey, it's YOUR VIEW on David's opinion.

You should go out and ask people on the street their opinions about Morrissey rather than come here to incite silly argument.

[davidt]

He found hate everywhere, he felt it all around him, it was the prevailing, driving mood - thats exactly what i said before. He wasn't endorsing hate! Tell me you haven't thought he was actually endorsing hate for all this time, its an ironic declaration, don't you get it? He even says love is hard to find - its love he's looking for. Crumbs. This thread is already a smoking gun on your negativity. You always reach for the shitty end of the stick - why?

How is "it was absolutely how I felt" an ironic declaration? His expression of hatred continues to this day. This thread is a smoking gun on your idiocy.

[smiler]

How is "it was absolutely how I felt" an ironic declaration? His expression of hatred continues to this day. This thread is a smoking gun on your idiocy.

"Viva Hate - is an ironic title from a man who, try as he may, is not capable of so much as a hateful glance beyond the barbecue." ~ Chrissie Hynde

[smiler]

It's not David's view on Morrissey, it's YOUR VIEW on David's opinion.

You should go out and ask people on the street their opinions about Morrissey rather than come here to incite silly argument.

I can't understand what you are on about?

[Uncleskinny]

"Viva Hate - is an ironic title from a man who, try as he may, is not capable of so much as a hateful glance beyond the barbecue." ~ Chrissie Hynde!'

Oh right, this can't be the same man who sent those faxes to Spencer then, who wished death upon authors, who wished the very worst on Mike Joyce. No, can't be examples of his hate at all. Pull your head out of your arse, you might see a bit more.

P.

[smiler]

Oh right, this can't be the same man who sent those faxes to Spencer then, who wished death upon authors, who wished the very worst on Mike Joyce. No, can't be examples of his hate at all. Pull your head out of your arse, you might see a bit more.

P.


You are a fool there is no point arguing its too easy but i'll spell it out for you one more time. Those faxes, did you actually see them for yourself or are you assuming something a friend of Spencer half remembered is true? - Why? Did spencer himself say what was written? pretty sure he described the content as "unforgivable" without actually going into any detail. You don't know the full story do you, just snippets and shadows from unreliable sources telling half the tale. You don't even know why they fell out at all. Come on tells us exactly what was said why don't you? You can't, because you don't know and you don't know the context or the tone or even if there is any truth in it at all? Yes he wished death on Johnny Rogan and Joyce - it was a joke, can't you see the humour in the camp spite, its an outlandish funny declaration "I feel too cold and now I feel to warm again". *presses back of the hand again his forehead - I didn't realise how much you really seem to be missing the point! You really don't get it. Hahaha And again with the same argument "Morrissey says mean things so it must be okay". If Morrissey starts trolling this site then ban him otherwise don't use him as your template on how to moderate a website - that would be daft.

[smiler]

Oh right, this can't be the same man who sent those faxes to Spencer then, who wished death upon authors, who wished the very worst on Mike Joyce. No, can't be examples of his hate at all. Pull your head out of your arse, you might see a bit more.

P.


anyway don't argue with me, argue with Chrisse Hynde.

[davidt]

anyway don't argue with me, argue with Chrisse Hynde.

You're the one who was using the quote to support your view. This is pointless spinner, I mean, smiler. There are lots of other places to go if you don't like it here.

[Uncleskinny]

You are a fool there is no point arguing its too easy but i'll spell it out for you one more time. Those faxes, did you actually see them for yourself or are you assuming something a friend of Spencer half remembered is true? - Why? Did spencer himself say what was written? pretty sure he described the content as "unforgivable" without actually going into any detail. You don't know the full story do you, just snippets and shadows from unreliable sources telling half the tale. You don't even know why they fell out at all. Come on tells us exactly what was said why don't you? You can't, because you don't know and you don't know the context or the tone or even if there is any truth in it at all? Yes he wished death on Johnny Rogan and Joyce - it was a joke, can't you see the humour in the camp spite, its an outlandish funny declaration "I feel too cold and now I feel to warm again". *presses back of the hand again his forehead - I didn't realise how much you really seem to be missing the point! You really don't get it. Hahaha And again with the same argument "Morrissey says mean things so it must be okay". If Morrissey starts trolling this site then ban him otherwise don't use him as your template on how to moderate a website - that would be daft.

You are living in a fucking dreamworld buddy - an alternative universe where Morrissey can do no wrong whatsoever and where anyone who disagrees with your cotton candy rose-tinted specs views are worth of the utmost opprobrium, and where anything he openly says that disagrees with your view is either "ironic" or a "joke". You are an absolute fucking cretin, a deluded goofball, and since there is no reasoning with you whatsoever, I'm going to swear at you again. You are a massive fucking wanker of hitherto unknown proportions.

P.

[smiler]

You're the one who was using the quote to support your view. This is pointless spinner, I mean, smiler. There are lots of other places to go if you don't like it here.

Chrissie Hynde said it on the sleeve notes to the re-release. Seems pretty clear now the title is ironic - amazed you didn't get that. Shame you can't admit you got it wrong even when everyone else can see. You know you are coming across a little bit negative in this thread?

I'm not suprised you want me gone - I keep catching you out.

[smiler]

You are living in a fucking dreamworld buddy - an alternative universe where Morrissey can do no wrong whatsoever and where anyone who disagrees with your cotton candy rose-tinted specs views are worth of the utmost opprobrium, and where anything he openly says that disagrees with your view is either "ironic" or a "joke". You are an absolute fucking cretin, a deluded goofball, and since there is no reasoning with you whatsoever, I'm going to swear at you again. You are a massive fucking wanker of hitherto unknown proportions.

P.

you are too kind *I don't actually mean that by the way

Are you going to tell us exactly what was in those faxes then?

[Kewpie]

I'm not suprised you want me gone - I keep catching you out.

What for?

You should stop picking a fight for no reason.

[cornelius blaze]

You are living in a fucking dreamworld buddy - an alternative universe where Morrissey can do no wrong whatsoever and where anyone who disagrees with your cotton candy rose-tinted specs views are worth of the utmost opprobrium, and where anything he openly says that disagrees with your view is either "ironic" or a "joke". You are an absolute fucking cretin, a deluded goofball, and since there is no reasoning with you whatsoever, I'm going to swear at you again. You are a massive fucking wanker of hitherto unknown proportions.

P.
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/tumblr_m18xx5Dw5R1r3d8abo1_500.gif

What for?

You should stop picking a fight for no reason.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/tumblr_m1ub3i4Y6q1qdloiuo1_r1_500.gif

[Skylarker]

It's not David's view on Morrissey, it's YOUR VIEW on David's opinion.

You should go out and ask people on the street their opinions about Morrissey rather than come here to incite silly argument.

Most of them would probably either say, "who?" or else, "you mean that guy from The Doors? Isn't he dead?"

[cornelius blaze]

Most of them would probably either say, "who?" or else, "you mean that guy from The Doors? Isn't he dead?"

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/tumblr_m1xr3rTUCJ1qaikopo1_500.gif

[Skylarker]

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/tumblr_m1xr3rTUCJ1qaikopo1_500.gif

All part of decency's jigsaw, I suppose...

[cornelius blaze]

All part of decency's jigsaw, I suppose...


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Skylarker again.
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[BrummieBoy]

"Viva Hate - is an ironic title from a man who, try as he may, is not capable of so much as a hateful glance beyond the barbecue." ~ Chrissie Hynde

Hello, Morrissey. We are 'BrummieBoy'.

Over the years, we have been watching you. Your campaigns of misinformation; suppression of dissent; your frivolous and vexatious nature, all of these things have caught our eye. With the leakage of your latest propaganda *Statement* into mainstream circulation, the extent of your malign influence over those who trust you, who call you cult-leader, has been made clear to us.

'BrummieBoy' has therefore decided that your organization should be destroyed. For the good of your followers, for the good of mankind--for the laughs--we shall expel you from the Interwebs and systematically dismantle the 'Church of Morrissey' in its present form. We acknowledge you as a risible opponent, and we are prepared for a short campaign. You will not prevail forever against the angry masses of the body politic. Your methods, hypocrisy, and the artlessness of your organization have sounded its death knell.

You cannot hide; we are everywhere. We cannot die; we are forever. We're getting bigger every day--and solely by the force of our ideas, malicious and hostile as they often are. If you want another name for your opponent, then call us 'Legion', for we are many.

Yet for all that we are not as monstrous as you are; still our methods are a parallel to your own. Doubtless you will use the 'BrummieBoy's' actions as an example of the persecution you have so long warned your followers would come; this is acceptable. In fact, it is encouraged. We are your SPs.

Gradually as we merge our pulse with that of your "Church", the suppression of your followers will become increasingly difficult to maintain. Believers will wake, and see that salvation has no price. They will know that the stress, the frustration that they feel is not something that may be blamed upon 'BrummieBoy'. No--they will see that it stems from a source far closer to each. Yes, we are SPs. But the sum of suppression we could ever muster is eclipsed by that of the RTC.

Knowledge is free.

We are 'BrummieBoy.' We are 'Legion'.

We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

Sincerely 'BrummieBoy' :straightface:


“I wouldn’t be surprised if she made that African boy into a coat and wore him ..for 15 minutes, and then threw it away.”

http://bit.ly/9ynnE4

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[Skylarker]

Hello, Morrissey. We are 'BrummieBoy'.

Over the years, we have been watching you. Your campaigns of misinformation; suppression of dissent; your frivolous and vexatious nature, all of these things have caught our eye. With the leakage of your latest propaganda *Statement* into mainstream circulation, the extent of your malign influence over those who trust you, who call you cult-leader, has been made clear to us.

'BrummieBoy' has therefore decided that your organization should be destroyed. For the good of your followers, for the good of mankind--for the laughs--we shall expel you from the Interwebs and systematically dismantle the 'Church of Morrissey' in its present form. We acknowledge you as a risible opponent, and we are prepared for a short campaign. You will not prevail forever against the angry masses of the body politic. Your methods, hypocrisy, and the artlessness of your organization have sounded its death knell.

You cannot hide; we are everywhere. We cannot die; we are forever. We're getting bigger every day--and solely by the force of our ideas, malicious and hostile as they often are. If you want another name for your opponent, then call us 'Legion', for we are many.

Yet for all that we are not as monstrous as you are; still our methods are a parallel to your own. Doubtless you will use the 'BrummieBoy's' actions as an example of the persecution you have so long warned your followers would come; this is acceptable. In fact, it is encouraged. We are your SPs.

Gradually as we merge our pulse with that of your "Church", the suppression of your followers will become increasingly difficult to maintain. Believers will wake, and see that salvation has no price. They will know that the stress, the frustration that they feel is not something that may be blamed upon 'BrummieBoy'. No--they will see that it stems from a source far closer to each. Yes, we are SPs. But the sum of suppression we could ever muster is eclipsed by that of the RTC.

Knowledge is free.

We are 'BrummieBoy.' We are 'Legion'.

We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

Sincerely 'BrummieBoy' :straightface:




Uh oh, Mozzer...sounds serious! :lbf:

[!Viva Hate!]

Chrissie Hynde said it on the sleeve notes to the re-release. Seems pretty clear now the title is ironic - amazed you didn't get that. Shame you can't admit you got it wrong even when everyone else can see. You know you are coming across a little bit negative in this thread?

I'm not suprised you want me gone - I keep catching you out.

Give me a break! You couldn't catch a cold...

[BrummieBoy]

Uh oh, Mozzer...sounds serious! :lbf:

Hello Morrissey. Hello 'Morrissey-Solo' Hello 'skylarker'. Hello 'VivaHate'. Hello 'smiler'. Hello 'allyouneedismorrissey'

We do not forgive.
We do not forget

Expect us!

sincerely....'BrummieBoy'

[Skylarker]

Hello Morrissey. Hello 'skylarker'. Hello 'VivaHate'.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4tKC6OV7Hs

[BrummieBoy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4tKC6OV7Hs

It's 8:35am GMT. Don't you have a bed/job/ER-psyche room appointment to rush off to? :straightface:

Why aren't you fire-fighting the ice-cream meltdown? What kind of corporate big-shot are you anyway?:rolleyes:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-06/ben-jerry-s-wins-temporary-order-against-porn-producers.html

I'm busy. Don't clutter my email with your silly YouTube clips which I don't watch, but which I assume are for others in your circle-jerk. I have rather more interesting things to do than absorb your 'ripostes'.:crazy:

regards
BrummieBoy

where's my coffee? what's that new intern doing?