Gaslight Anthem Singer Brian Fallon's Advice To Morrissey: "You Need To Get Over It"

[Skylarker]

In a recent interview to promote Handwritten, the upcoming 4th LP by his New Jersey rock band The Gaslight Anthem, frontman Brian Fallon is asked about his various influences and the subject of Morrissey comes up. Brian wastes no time admitting to a fondness for The Smiths but a disdain for what he perceives as some of the more theatrical traits of the band's former singer, quipping that the best advice he can hypothetically offer Morrissey is to "get over" the solo-era pretentiousness and reform his old band.

I found his comments funny and agree 100 percent.

The Gaslight Anthem is the greatest band in the world and Brian could write better lyrics in his sleep than anything Morrissey has offered us for the last 10 years.

The Morrissey bit lasts from 20:12 - 21:44.


http://vimeo.com/39788008

[CrystalGeezer]

The Gaslight Anthem is the greatest band in the world and Brian could write better lyrics in his sleep than anything Morrissey has offered us for the last 10 years.


:crazy:

When we were young
We were diamond Sinatras
Like something I saw in a dream
We kept our secrets in rooms
locked up tight like a tomb
Where the ballerinas lay

:sleeping:

[mcrickson]

:crazy:

When we were young
We were diamond Sinatras
Like something I saw in a dream
We kept our secrets in rooms
locked up tight like a tomb
Where the ballerinas lay

:sleeping:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1u2f1u8VP1qcu5eho6_250.gif

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

This asshole. I know a lot of people like this. The worst part about it is they like The Smith for the complete "wrong" reasons. Wanna know what I mean? Ask Morrissey. And Lorne Green.

[Winston Legtight]

Advice to Morrissey? Really? From some Brain Fallout?! That would be funny if it wasn't for just another dickhead trying to gain fame using Morrissey's name. Sad.:sick:

[nothappynotsad]

This asshole. I know a lot of people like this. The worst part about it is they like The Smith for the complete "wrong" reasons. Wanna know what I mean? Ask Morrissey. And Lorne Green.

The Smith?
I didn't know there was a 'right' reason for liking a band. Thank you for enlightening me.

Fuck Lorne Greene. Pernell Roberts FTW.

[nothappynotsad]

Advice to Morrissey? Really? From some Brain Fallout?! That would be funny if it wasn't for just another dickhead trying to gain fame using Morrissey's name. Sad.:sick:

Yeah, because someone on an independent label whose last album, in the first week alone, shipped 1/3 of what Morrissey's last album (on a major record label) shipped in it's entire run REALLY needs to use his name to gain attention. Right.

[Skylarker]

:crazy:

When we were young
We were diamond Sinatras
Like something I saw in a dream
We kept our secrets in rooms
locked up tight like a tomb
Where the ballerinas lay

:sleeping:

I was driving my car
I crashed and broke my spine
so yes there are things worse in life
than never being someone's sweetie

-

And when they can't find a table
for their fat Aunt Mable
they stamp their feet and cry

-

Politician, can you listen
to yourself for just once in your life?
because of something you said
teen soldiers are dead (:lbf:)

Yeah, I'll take Brian. Morrissey's done.



Advice to Morrissey? Really? From some Brain Fallout?! That would be funny if it wasn't for just another dickhead trying to gain fame using Morrissey's name. Sad.:sick:

Brian Fallout? Oh I get it, you're doing that thing Morrissey does where he makes someone's name into a silly word, to insult them.

How cute.


This asshole. I know a lot of people like this. The worst part about it is they like The Smith for the complete "wrong" reasons. Wanna know what I mean? Ask Morrissey. And Lorne Green.

Hey, nice knuckle dusters. Ain't posing fun?

[Skylarker]

I think it's funny that you mooks get so rabid over someone saying anything less than complimentary about Morrissey, or daring to criticize him.

He also said, "I'd shake his hand." But you ignore that and get all butt-hurt.

He has great admiration for The Smiths; he's simply saying Morrissey should cut the bullshit and get back to what made him great.

I agree.

[nothappynotsad]

I was driving my car
I crashed and broke my spine
so yes there are things worse in life
than never being someone's sweetie

-

And when they can't find a table
for their fat Aunt Mable
they stamp their feet and cry

-

Politician, can you listen
to yourself for just once in your life?
because of something you said
teen soldiers are dead (:lbf:)

Yeah, I'll take Brian. Morrissey's done.

"This might make you throw up in your bed
I'm OK by myself"

"There are explosive kegs between my legs
Dear God, please help me"

"Children in pieces in Irish industrial schools
Nuns called mothers & the Christian Brothers
Kick the shit out of very frightened children"

"I've had my faced dragged in 15 miles of shit
And I do not, and I do not, and I do not like it"

"And the smiling children tell you that you smell
Well, just look at me - a savage beast - I've got nothing to sell
And when I die I want to go to Hell
And that's when goodbye should be farewell"

"Stab me in your own time in Scandinavia"

"However do not call this number again
We're busy molding the face of the kid's replacement, yeah"

[Skylarker]

You guys are free to dislike them, whatever, I'm not 17 and I am not gonna lose sleep over it. It's your loss.

As far as I'm concerned they are the best thing out there, hands down.

There are a lot of great bands, but very very few of them happen at just the right time and do everything perfectly and capture the essence of their age.

The Beatles, The Clash, The Smiths, Nirvana, Suede...all of these bands were tuned into the spirit of their time and they knew exactly what to do. And yeah, I have to say, I'd put The Gaslight Anthem up there with any of those bands.

Truly, truly amazing music.

http://www.gaslightanthem.com/

[Anonymous]

Not only is this 'Brian' fellow as deep as a paper plate (his quip about pizza is just one bit of a Mt. Everest of evidence mounted against him), he's absolutely clueless in regards to Moz and the Smiths. I listened to 3 tracks from his band and I must say besides being laughable; they are awesomely bad. I must give him credit, though. Despite being staggeringly moronic and brain-dead, Brian has figured out the only way his shambolic band will garner any attention is by commenting on Giants. Indeed, he will succeed better in giving his opinion on matters that do not concern him than in mending his "music."




Fact: Johnny Marr disbanded the Smiths, not Morrissey.

Morrissey was forced to go solo since he was still signed to EMI. He succeeded through grit and determination, whereas Johnny was the capricious guitar-slinger of the 80's going from band to band, putting out material that failed to get any interest. Why on Earth should Moz put a hold on his career to revive an 80's band he never left in the first place? Who in their right mind would expect a man who was sued by his own bandmates to want to reform? Moz didn't need the rest of the Smiths when he began and he doesn't need them now.

[King Leer]

While you're right that there are too many knee-jerk reactions to anti-Morrissey statements the issue here is that someone with .001% the stature of the person he's criticizing thinks what he says carries any weight. I'm surprised it's even a news item. This guy, like thousands of other bands, will be a footnote of a footnote within 5 years.

It's like Michael Buble criticizing Sinatra, but sillier...


I think it's funny that you mooks get so rabid over someone saying anything less than complimentary about Morrissey, or daring to criticize him.

He also said, "I'd shake his hand." But you ignore that and get all butt-hurt.

He has great admiration for The Smiths; he's simply saying Morrissey should cut the bullshit and get back to what made him great.

I agree.

[Unruly_boy]

Not only is this Brian fellow as deep as a paper plate (his quip about pizza is just a piece of a Mt. Everest of evidence mounted against him.) he is completely clueless about Morrissey and the Smiths. I listened to 3 tracks by his band and besides being laughable; they are awesomely bad. I must give him credit, though. Despite being staggeringly moronic and brain-dead, Brian has figured out that the only way his shambolic band will ever garner any interest is by commenting on and poking at Giants. Indeed, he will succeed better in giving his opinion on matters that do not concern him than in mending his own unoriginal 'music'.



Fact: Johnny Marr disbanded the Smiths not Morrissey.

Morrissey was forced to go solo and through grit and determination managed to put out music that rivals and in some instances, surpasses the music of the Smiths. Johnny Marr was the capricious guitar slinger of the 80's willing to lay down licks for just about anybody and took the occassional shot at Morrissey in interviews (calling him Dorrissey, etc.) I do not blame Morrissey for not wanting to reform. Why should he put his career on hold to revive an 80's band he never left? Why would anyone WANT to be in a band with two people who've sued you ? Morrissey didn't need the Smiths then and doesn't need them now

[Anonymous]

In a recent interview to promote Handwritten, the upcoming 4th LP by his New Jersey rock band The Gaslight Anthem, frontman Brian Fallon is asked about his various influences and the subject of Morrissey comes up. Brian wastes no time admitting to a fondness for The Smiths but a disdain for what he perceives as some of the more theatrical traits of the band's former singer, quipping that the best advice he can hypothetically offer Morrissey is to "get over" the solo-era pretentiousness and reform his old band.

I found his comments funny and agree 100 percent.

The Gaslight Anthem is the greatest band in the world and Brian could write better lyrics in his sleep than anything Morrissey has offered us for the last 10 years.

To my ears, Fallon sounds like some of my friends who claim to love The Smiths/Morrissey when, in truth, they're only posturing, and actually only know a few 'hits' like "How Soon is Now?", "Everyday is like Sunday", etc. And when such individuals talk about how the band should get back together, I tune out fairly quickly.

[Skylarker]

While you're right that there are too many knee-jerk reactions to anti-Morrissey statements the issue here is that someone with .001% the stature of the person he's criticizing thinks what he says carries any weight. I'm surprised it's even a news item. This guy, like thousands of other bands, will be a footnote of a footnote within 5 years.

It's like Michael Buble criticizing Sinatra, but sillier...

Better to be an unknown footnote of a footnote than a pompous fruity washed-up laughingstock who doesn't see what a botched abortion his career has become.


Not only is this Brian fellow as deep as a paper plate (his quip about pizza is just a piece of a Mt. Everest of evidence mounted against him.) he is completely clueless about Morrissey and the Smiths. I listened to 3 tracks by his band and besides being laughable; they are awesomely bad. I must give him credit, though. Despite being staggeringly moronic and brain-dead, Brian has figured out that the only way his shambolic band will ever garner any interest is by commenting on and poking at Giants. Indeed, he will succeed better in giving his opinion on matters that do not concern him than in mending his own unoriginal 'music'.



Fact: Johnny Marr disbanded the Smiths not Morrissey.

Morrissey was forced to go solo and through grit and determination managed to put out music that rivals and in some instances, surpasses the music of the Smiths. Johnny Marr was the capricious guitar slinger of the 80's willing to lay down licks for just about anybody and took the occassional shot at Morrissey in interviews (calling him Dorrissey, etc.) I do not blame Morrissey for not wanting to reform. Why should he put his career on hold to revive an 80's band he never left? Why would anyone WANT to be in a band with two people who've sued you ? Morrissey didn't need the Smiths then and doesn't need them now

Fact: I don't really care who broke up The Smiths. I'm a huge fan of both The Smiths and Morrissey's solo records up until the last few years.

The interviewer brought up Morrissey. Not the other way around. Ol' braindead Brian was asked a question. He didn't bring up the "Giant"(:lbf:) to make healdines for his own commercial ends. He simply fielded a question by responding honestly.

Brian wasn't talking shit about Morrissey; he said plainly and bluntly that the gayness and the pretentiousness was not his thing, but that The Smiths, as a cohesive unit, had been a great band.

And coming from someone who has a freakin' picture of Morrisey as their avatar, I'm not gonna take your criticisms too seriously beyond the response I've already wasted on you.


To my ears, Fallon sounds like some of my friends who claim to love The Smiths/Morrissey when, in truth, they're only posturing, and actually only know a few 'hits' like "How Soon is Now?", "Everyday is like Sunday", etc. And when such individuals talk about how the band should get back together, I tune out fairly quickly.

Oh, so he's one of those awful horrible cretins who neither hates nor loves Morrissey, just merely admits to liking a few songs, but is not obsessively devoted?

Wow, what a loser.

[Giselle]

Better to be an unknown footnote of a footnote than a pompous fruity washed-up laughingstock who doesn't see what a botched abortion his career has become.



:eek:
I agree that Morrissey has made some disastrous career moves of late, but I think "botched abortion" is a little harsh.

[nothappynotsad]

:eek:
I agree that Morrissey has made some terrible career moves of late, but I think "botched abortion" is a little harsh.

What better term can you use for a performer who keeps an inferior guitarist and writer around in place of the man who single-handedly revived his career by writing four Top 10 singles when he needed them the most? He is selling less and less and instead of fixing the problem, he keeps making it worse. Someone should remind Morrissey that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is Einstein's definition of insanity. But he'd probably call him a 'Jew Boy' just like he did Spencer Corbin.

[Skylarker]

The funny fucking thing about all this is that all I did was post a link to a 60 second clip about some guy talking about how Morrissey should stop taking his clothes off and just reform The Smiths.

The collective panties in a bunch from these people is astonishing. You'd swear Brian issued a death threat.

[nothappynotsad]

The funny fucking thing about all this is that all I did was post a link to a 60 second clip about some guy talking about how Morrissey should stop taking his clothes off and just reform The Smiths.

The collective panties in a bunch from these people is astonishing. You'd swear Brian issued a death threat.

Morrissey can attack with cheers from the masses but is never allowed to be attacked. I think that is the gist of it.

[Skylarker]

Morrissey can attack with cheers from the masses but is never allowed to be attacked. I think that is the gist of it.

Yeah. He's allowed to call for severed heads and ignore court rulings, but if someone suggests he's a little too effeminate, whoa boy, watch out.

[nothappynotsad]

Yeah. He's allowed to call for severed heads and ignore court rulings, but if someone suggests he's a little too effeminate, whoa boy, watch out.

You better watch it, dude. He might wear a t-shirt about you! *gasp!*

[Anonymous]

Oh, so he's one of those awful horrible cretins who neither hates nor loves Morrissey, just merely admits to liking a few songs, but is not obsessively devoted?

Wow, what a loser.

Breathe. There's a good lad.

You see, it's not a question of whether I think Fallon's a horrible cretin and so forth (because I actually don't; in fact, I actually enjoy listening to '59 and AmSlang if you must know the truth). No, my reaction probably wouldn't be any different than yours if you'd heard someone complain about Morrissey always being so depressing to which you would likely retort that that other person should listen to a few more of his songs. I might be wrong about Fallon, but then again, that's why I said what I said in the form of speculation.

[Skylarker]

You better watch it, dude. He might wear a t-shirt about you! *gasp!*

“Ah, Robbie, when we are dead and buried in our porphyry tombs, and the trumpet of the Last Judgement is sounded, I shall turn and whisper to you, 'Robbie, Robbie, let us pretend we do not hear it.”

[nothappynotsad]

“Ah, Robbie, when we are dead and buried in our porphyry tombs, and the trumpet of the Last Judgement is sounded, I shall turn and whisper to you, 'Robbie, Robbie, let us pretend we do not hear it.”

Double post.
http://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/114607-Career-Advice-For-Morrissey?p=1986640197&viewfull=1#post1986640197

[Anonymous]

that is why "F* Morrissey Solo"

I'm really laughing, Morrissey returns to Smiths?? how coul it be?, does it posible a 52 year old man can return to 25 about feelings or thoughts about life or music?

[Skylarker]

I knew it was buried there somewhere.

[applebuttaz]

"This might make you throw up in your bed
I'm OK by myself"

"There are explosive kegs between my legs
Dear God, please help me"

"Children in pieces in Irish industrial schools
Nuns called mothers & the Christian Brothers
Kick the shit out of very frightened children"

"I've had my faced dragged in 15 miles of shit
And I do not, and I do not, and I do not like it"

"And the smiling children tell you that you smell
Well, just look at me - a savage beast - I've got nothing to sell
And when I die I want to go to Hell
And that's when goodbye should be farewell"

"Stab me in your own time in Scandinavia"

"However do not call this number again
We're busy molding the face of the kid's replacement, yeah"

are you comparing terrible lyrics with terrible lyrics?

[nothappynotsad]

are you comparing terrible lyrics with terrible lyrics?

No, just adding more terrible lyrics to his list.

Hopefully people will look at these, without his reputation and vocals clouding their judgment, and realize that he just isn't trying very hard anymore. It's funny, because there is a recent picture of him with a sign that reads "I am the REAL and PROPER poet laureate."

http://true-to-you.net/system/files?file=pictures/morrissey_the_real_and_proper_poet_laureate_02.jpg

With modern lyrics like those, I don't think so.

[Skylarker]

that is why "F* Morrissey Solo"

I'm really laughing, Morrissey returns to Smiths?? how coul it be?, does it posible a 52 year old man can return to 25 about feelings or thoughts about life or music?

Christ, he wouldn't have to write as a 25 year old. The Smiths were a name. A logo. It was Morrissey writing and singing words at 25, now he's still doing so at 52. What he calls himself is irrelevant, the banner is irrelevant, all of you people get way too hung up on that shit.

The Smiths were a chemical, emotional, and psychological fusion between Morrissey and Marr. That is what should be sought after. I'm not saying that Morrissey magically lost his powers after 1987. I'm saying he was an extremely intelligent, interesting, gifted writer and personality and remained so long after The Smiths broke up and he made some immensely powerful songs and albums after The Smiths. But, after Marr left, and certainly after Alain left, those paints lost their canvas. He is probably still a very gifted writer but as his chosen form of expression is music, he needs a partner who can write music. Without that he is a bored, barrel-scraping shadow chasing former glories and proffering half-baked crap that doesn't stimulate his fans, doesn't stimulate record companies, and probably doesn't even really stimulate himself.




are you comparing terrible lyrics with terrible lyrics?

I couldn't give two fucks whether or not you enjoy The Gaslight Anthem, but just for shits and giggles, point out some of Brian's lyrics that you consider "terrible."






http://true-to-you.net/system/files?file=pictures/morrissey_the_real_and_proper_poet_laureate_02.jpg



"I'm so sick of girls saying they're strong...
If you have to say it, you are wrong."

[Winston Legtight]

Alright, kids! I would like to, if I may, say that I don't believe charts/sales could be seen as an evidence of good music these days, hence every jerk on the planet can make it big with a dreadful record. But it does raise a question: will all this very successful chart topping records from today be remembered in 30 years time? Let alone delivering great live performances when they're over 50 years old. Morrissey's reputation never clouded my judgement on his recent songs. The thing I enjoy most about him is his unique way of creating those amazing melodic voice lines. Not to mention the lyrics on Years Of Refusal! I'm very sure his next album will be his new masterpiece. I never meant to be rude or, say, offensive, but let's face it: Time tells everything! ...as you will find out anyway.

[Skylarker]

Alright, kids! I would like to, if I may, say that I don't believe charts/sales could be seen as an evidence of good music these days, hence every jerk on the planet can make it big with a dreadful record. But it does raise a question: will all this very successful chart topping records from today be remembered in 30 years time? Let alone delivering great live performances when they're over 50 years old. Morrissey's reputation never clouded my judgement on his recent songs. The thing I enjoy most about him is his unique way of creating those amazing melodic voice lines. Not to mention the lyrics on Years Of Refusal! I'm very sure his next album will be his new masterpiece. I never meant to be rude or, say, offensive, but let's face it: Time tells everything! ...as you will find out anyway.

Sigh.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

we all need to "get over it" probably :straightface:
as for this band, don't think I know their stuff :confused:
post a link to a song or 2 of theirs and I'll give a listen :thumb:

[Skylarker]

we all need to "get over it" probably :straightface:
as for this band, don't think I know their stuff :confused:
post a link to a song or 2 of theirs and I'll give a listen :thumb:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgWzOElhs0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mPY7ntpv_A&ob=av3n

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO-LBl5knXs

[Skylarker]

http://s13.postimage.org/7nwtqtsfb/get_me_lieutenant_eckhardt.jpg

[King Leer]

This will probably get the thread moved but in comparing another recent band of similar career length/nascent fame who talked about Morrissey in the media, The Heartbreaks' songs wipe the floor with the clips you've posted above.

[Anonymous]

I like this song because it reminds me about when I first heard Morrissey, and how a great band can truly save your life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgWzOElhs0w

This is my favorite song of theirs, if not of anyone's, and it reminds me of when I met my girlfriend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mPY7ntpv_A&ob=av3n


They sound like they can't decide whether to copy Green Day or The Killers. I wouldn't want to hear them again, but they're probably preferable to post-1997 Morrissey, though.

[Anonymous]

Just like any other band you hear in your local pub on a Fri night. They will never be anything special. There name should seriously never be mentioned in the same sentence as The Smiths who were c'mon even better than The Beatles!! Lets be honest also, most of Morrissey's solo material is also leagues about crap like Gaslight Anthem

[nothappynotsad]

Just like any other band you hear in your local pub on a Fri night. They will never be anything special. There name should seriously never be mentioned in the same sentence as The Smiths who were c'mon even better than The Beatles!!

Sounds like you're talking about Morrissey's current backing band.

[Peterb]

Hey Skylarker, unfortunately, the moment you announce a love for a band, you unleash all the contrarians who simply have to say they are crap. Job done. Well done for having an ongoing interest in new stuff.
As far as the reunion of Morrissey and Marr, I am afraid I am in favour of the detractors. The last time these two played together was a lifetime ago. I can think of no reason why they should gel after all this time. At 50 plus, your younger self is a stranger.

[Anonymous]

Hey Skylarker, unfortunately, the moment you announce a love for a band, you unleash all the contrarians who simply have to say they are crap. Job done. Well done for having an ongoing interest in new stuff.
As far as the reunion of Morrissey and Marr, I am afraid I am in favour of the detractors. The last time these two played together was a lifetime ago. I can think of no reason why they should gel after all this time. At 50 plus, your younger self is a stranger.

By Jove, Peterb, what a knowing set out! to poor Skylarker. Every time sense is coming from your posts. And this nauseous band, 'Gas bottle' or whatever? Drek!

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

What better term can you use for a performer who keeps an inferior guitarist and writer around in place of the man who single-handedly revived his career by writing four Top 10 singles when he needed them the most? He is selling less and less and instead of fixing the problem, he keeps making it worse. Someone should remind Morrissey that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is Einstein's definition of insanity. But he'd probably call him a 'Jew Boy' just like he did Spencer Corbin.

I think that I'm falling in love with you...

[Skylarker]

None of this has anything to do with trying to convert any of you to liking The Gaslight Anthem. I never expected you to have some kind of revelation...after all, Brian's not a fop, so yeah, pretty sure he's gonna fly under your collective radar. But yeah, that wasn't my point here.

My point was to bring up a media clip of a current musician -you know, one who is relevant and actually sells records- discussing Morrissey. Is this front page news? No. David put it on the front page; I never submitted it to him as "news." But as news is slow these days, hey why not. After all, the only other front page content are reports of Morrissey playing the exact same setlist EVERY SINGLE FUCKING NIGHT or else telling a nation, country, city, town, group of people, etc. what they should do and how they should live. THAT is news. Right?

I think it's hilarious that when someone criticizes Morrissey -even if it's in a playful, measured way and imbued with backhanded compliments- the first thing you people do is piss yourselves and whine and stomp your feet and pull out your rifles.

True Morrsey apostles. You must be proud to have never left the age of 14.

[applebuttaz]

Christ, he wouldn't have to write as a 25 year old. The Smiths were a name. A logo. It was Morrissey writing and singing words at 25, now he's still doing so at 52. What he calls himself is irrelevant, the banner is irrelevant, all of you people get way too hung up on that shit.

The Smiths were a chemical, emotional, and psychological fusion between Morrissey and Marr. That is what should be sought after. I'm not saying that Morrissey magically lost his powers after 1987. I'm saying he was an extremely intelligent, interesting, gifted writer and personality and remained so long after The Smiths broke up and he made some immensely powerful songs and albums after The Smiths. But, after Marr left, and certainly after Alain left, those paints lost their canvas. He is probably still a very gifted writer but as his chosen form of expression is music, he needs a partner who can write music. Without that he is a bored, barrel-scraping shadow chasing former glories and proffering half-baked crap that doesn't stimulate his fans, doesn't stimulate record companies, and probably doesn't even really stimulate himself.





I couldn't give two fucks whether or not you enjoy The Gaslight Anthem, but just for shits and giggles, point out some of Brian's lyrics that you consider "terrible."





"I'm so sick of girls saying they're strong...
If you have to say it, you are wrong."

i don't know what a gaslight anthem is, i can't make a judgement till i hear songs, plus..everyone has shit lyrics..even bands i like have shit lyrics..i'm not one to defend artist when they make shit lyrics.

[applebuttaz]

No, just adding more terrible lyrics to his list.

Hopefully people will look at these, without his reputation and vocals clouding their judgment, and realize that he just isn't trying very hard anymore. It's funny, because there is a recent picture of him with a sign that reads "I am the REAL and PROPER poet laureate."

http://true-to-you.net/system/files?file=pictures/morrissey_the_real_and_proper_poet_laureate_02.jpg

With modern lyrics like those, I don't think so.

lol, that was funny, he stopped caring after maladjusted.

[DAVIE]

Meh just listened to a few Gaslight Anthem songs.
Just another modern "samey samey" band. Same bland vocals. Same bland guitar. SAME SAME.
The Smiths vomit all over this band, to be frank.

When I first saw this thread I was just thinking....who the hell are Gaslight Anthem? nuff said.

[Anonymous]

What is there to get over? Morrissey believes there was a time and place for the Smiths and it's in the past. This is a perfectly mature stance. It's everybody else that makes a big deal about the Smiths not reforming and can't get over that Morrissey won't reform the band.

[Anonymous]

he stopped caring after maladjusted.

He's not the only one.

[goinghome]

that is why "F* Morrissey Solo"

I'm really laughing, Morrissey returns to Smiths?? how coul it be?, does it posible a 52 year old man can return to 25 about feelings or thoughts about life or music?

Word: and pathetic beyond.:sleeping:

[crawleyrocket]

Morrissey is The Smiths. The other three can't be reformed without him but heaven knows they need it. The gap lies in their career not in his. The is nothing wrong with him, how could he be reformed?

[Amy]

Now the Press have a chance to wildly misconstrue what was said:
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/brian-fallon-aims-broadside-at-morrissey-and-johnny-marr_1326023

[Skylarker]

Meh just listened to a few Gaslight Anthem songs.
Just another modern "samey samey" band. Same bland vocals. Same bland guitar. SAME SAME.
The Smiths vomit all over this band, to be frank.

When I first saw this thread I was just thinking....who the hell are Gaslight Anthem? nuff said.


So, because you didn't know who they were, it's "enough said"?

Who the fuck knows who Vini Reilly is, man? For that matter, who cares?


What is there to get over? Morrissey believes there was a time and place for the Smiths and it's in the past. This is a perfectly mature stance. It's everybody else that makes a big deal about the Smiths not reforming and can't get over that Morrissey won't reform the band.

What he meant by "get over it" (and I can't believe I have to spell this out) is that modern day Morrissey should wake up and realize that at 52, now far from the prime of life, devoid of a sexual aura, unable to sell records, fronting a paint by numbers bar band, no hope for a record deal, shitty songs, etc...he can't keep carrying on as he has been. His diminutive "weirdness" where the sexual ambiguity is concerned, and the theatrics, and the diva bullshit, was in the past given counterbalance by his good looks, great songs, youthful energy, etc. but now, in 2012, is just gross pantomime, and embarassing. It's all about shocking people and his little asinine concept of himself as "edgy" and avant garde because he dresses his band is speedos and makes them wear Assad Is Shit shirts.

By saying he should reform The Smiths, I doubt Brian was literally calling for a Morrissey / Marr / Joyce / Rourke reuinion per se. I mean, I doubt Fallon gives a shit. I think the overall point he was making was that Morrissey is a good singer and The Smiths were a great band, and it would be nice if somehow some trace of that greatness could be refound.



Now the Press have a chance to wildly misconstrue what was said:
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/brian-fallon-aims-broadside-at-morrissey-and-johnny-marr_1326023


Their transcript is verbatim but the context they place it in is, as always, laughably absurd and plagued with hyperbole. "War" and "broadside"...the music press caters to lowest common denominator morons and children who can only understand things in a cartoon context.

Again, and I can't make this clear enough...Brian complimented Morrissey as a singer and a musician. What he mocked was the theatrics and the gross campy creepiness.

How THE FUCK is that hard for these people to understand.

[Anonymous]

Poor Skylarker and "Brian", nobody understands that already exists a super band as smiths or beatles called "Gaslight Anthem"
Mozza has to be serius worry about their opinions

[Anonymous]

The Gaslight Anthem are Against Me-wanna be's trying to be like Springsteen. It's an utter recipe for disaster. Easily one of the worst bands to come out in the past decade. I saw them before the 59 Sound came out and the amount of retardation shown for that band since is embarrassing.

I'm currently laughing my ass off at Skylarker trying so hard to defend them. His/her whole case fell to shambles after his/her first post. I mean, the only thing the Gaslight Anthem has captured is the reality of how mind-numbingly boring modern music is in general. How that band can be seen as "interesting" in any sense of the word is testament to my theory that most music listeners (A) hate music and/or (B) hate music.

The Gaslight Anthem are like the Ataris (or one of those type of bands) to me and they all are relegated to the same path. Give or take a few years everyone will forget them and they will be playing shit bars to no one. It's only a matter of time.

[applebuttaz]

Morrissey is The Smiths. The other three can't be reformed without him but heaven knows they need it. The gap lies in their career not in his. The is nothing wrong with him, how could he be reformed?

If morrissey is the smiths, i hope he can play guitar better than marr because marr isn't better than marr. The music itself is just as iconic as his lyrics.

[Anonymous]

It's hard not to agree with Skylarker, irrespective of whether you're a Gaslight Anthem fan or not (I've never heard them).

There are still hints of brilliance in Morrissey's output and I still scan the setlists in hope of some variation or new material. I love to hear Morrissey interviewed and no doubt I'll buy his book at Christmas. But I put a lot of it down to my own nostalgia. My remaining friends who used to go to his concerts and wear 'Motorcycle Au Pair Boy' t-shirts 20 years ago are barely aware that he's still performing.

[crawleyrocket]

If morrissey is the smiths, i hope he can play guitar better than marr because marr isn't better than marr. The music itself is just as iconic as his lyrics.

The point being that The Smiths can't reform without Morrissey.

[Anonymous]

Wow, Brian Fallon has piled it on. Compare that video of Old haunts to the clip of him being interviewed! No wonder the guy is asking him about Pizza.

To get back on topic, he's got a point about Moz. However, I can't take him seriously since his band is essentially a fawning Springsteen impersonation machine.

[Worm]

"all I did was post a link to a 60 second clip about some guy talking about how Morrissey should stop taking his clothes off and just reform The Smiths" and offered criticism in "a playful, measured way and imbued with backhanded compliments".

Really? Is that what you did?


"bored, barrel-scraping shadow chasing former glories and proffering half-baked crap that doesn't stimulate his fans, doesn't stimulate record companies, and probably doesn't even really stimulate himself."

"Brian could write better lyrics in his sleep than anything Morrissey has offered us for the last 10 years"

"Morrissey's done."

"pompous fruity washed-up laughingstock who doesn't see what a botched abortion his career has become"

"at 52, now far from the prime of life, devoid of a sexual aura, unable to sell records, fronting a paint by numbers bar band, no hope for a record deal, shitty songs"

"gross pantomime, and embarassing"

"gross campy creepiness"

Why do you deliberately pick fights with people on this site and then, when they respond angrily, stand back as if you're the sane, mature, reasonable one?

[Anonymous]

Gaslight what?? Brian who???

[Worm]

Gaslight what?? Brian who???

Imagine a Bruce Springsteen cover band doing a parody of The Replacements.

[Amy]

Really? Is that what you did?.....

I think Skylarker was saying than Brian Fallon's criticism was playful/imbued with backhanded compliments, not his own. His own is...brutal, by anyone's standards.

[Anonymous]

Brian Fallon is drek!

we'll let you know

[Skylarker]

Gaslight what?? Brian who???

Ha, you're anonymous. Oh, the irony.


Really? Is that what you did?


"bored, barrel-scraping shadow chasing former glories and proffering half-baked crap that doesn't stimulate his fans, doesn't stimulate record companies, and probably doesn't even really stimulate himself."

"Brian could write better lyrics in his sleep than anything Morrissey has offered us for the last 10 years"

"Morrissey's done."

"pompous fruity washed-up laughingstock who doesn't see what a botched abortion his career has become"

"at 52, now far from the prime of life, devoid of a sexual aura, unable to sell records, fronting a paint by numbers bar band, no hope for a record deal, shitty songs"

"gross pantomime, and embarassing"

"gross campy creepiness"

Why do you deliberately pick fights with people on this site and then, when they respond angrily, stand back as if you're the sane, mature, reasonable one?

I don't pick fights. I posted a video clip of someone talking about Morrissey in a -gasp, horror- less than complimentary way. Others started shit-slinging, and I defended an artist who in my opinion is a million times more talented than modern-day Morrissey.

Or, an alternate answer would be, "because it amuses me to do so."


Imagine a Bruce Springsteen cover band doing a parody of The Replacements.

Imagine a psuedo-intellectual bore on a Morrissey forum. Oh wait...thanks to you, we don't have to!

[Worm]

I don't pick fights.

Yes, you do. All the time.


I posted a video clip of someone talking about Morrissey in a -gasp, horror- less than complimentary way. Others started shit-slinging, and I defended an artist who in my opinion is a million times more talented than modern-day Morrissey.

Here you go again. Everyone else is shit-slinging, you're just an innocent bystander.

You're a smart guy, Skylarker. It's embarrassing to watch you disingenuously argue as if you've merely been defending The Gaslight Anthem. At every turn you've blasted Morrissey. And not just with "Jesse isn't as good as Alain" knocks, but annihilating remarks like "Morrissey's done", a "washed-up laughingstock", a guy who writes "shitty songs", etc. There's nothing wrong with The Gaslight Anthem. God knows Paul Westerberg needs the royalty checks. But it's silly to claim you haven't propped up The Gaslight Anthem at the expense of Morrissey. You have. Everyone sees that.


Or, an alternate answer would be, "because it amuses me to do so."

This is the other part of your schtick. You back off from everything you post. Why?


Imagine a psuedo-intellectual bore on a Morrissey forum. Oh wait...thanks to you, we don't have to!

A pseudo-intellectual bore isn't the worst thing you can be on a discussion forum, Skylarker. The worst thing you can be is a troll. Unless you want to roll back your remark that "Morrissey's done", you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone here that you're not a troll. This is a fan site for an artist who hasn't released an album in three years, whom you explicitly call "washed up". You come here and stir up shit with his fans. I don't care if you occasionally say intelligent things or make the odd amusing wisecrack. You don't like Morrissey's current music and you come here to lord your alleged superiority over the other fans here. By any definition, you're a troll.

[nothappynotsad]

A pseudo-intellectual bore isn't the worst thing you can be on a discussion forum, Skylarker. The worst thing you can be is a troll. Unless you want to roll back your remark that "Morrissey's done", you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone here that you're not a troll. This is a fan site for an artist who hasn't released an album in three years, whom you explicitly call "washed up". You come here and stir up shit with his fans. I don't care if you occasionally say intelligent things or make the odd amusing wisecrack. You don't like Morrissey's current music and you come here to lord your alleged superiority over the other fans here. By any definition, you're a troll.

If my calculations are correct, Morrissey has roughly been in the music business almost 30 years. Skylarker is complaining about the last 10, more specifically, the last 5 and 1/2 years of Morrissey's career. That leaves at least 20 years he doesn't have a problem with and is a fan of. I don't think you have to be a fan of an artist's current output to be a fan. You almost make it sound like the definition of a troll is someone who says something bluntly and critically that 98% of the people you're surrounded by don't agree with. That's nonsense. You shouldn't pick a fight with someone that you're calling out for picking fights. Not only is that hypocritical, it is absurd. The 'ignore' button exists for reasons like this.

He's not wrong. From the look of things, Morrissey IS done. He is 52. Losing more and more of his vocal range by the year. His sales are ridiculously low. There is no major record label interest. Morrissey shows no interest in compromising for an indie label or self-releasing. He is no longer working with the collaborator who has penned most of his hit singles. He has no interest in looking for new collaborators. He has an inferior guitarist and co-writer with whom he has a death grip on.

Let's be honest, touring is keeping his career afloat currently. He's been touring the last 2 years in promotion of nothing. He has no other prospects at this point. If he somehow turns things around, it will be either through compromise or an act of God.

[Peterb]

If my calculations are correct, Morrissey has roughly been in the music business almost 30 years. Skylarker is complaining about the last 10, more specifically, the last 5 and 1/2 years of Morrissey's career. That leaves at least 20 years he doesn't have a problem with and is a fan of. I don't think you have to be a fan of an artist's current output to be a fan. You almost make it sound like the definition of a troll is someone who says something bluntly and critically that 98% of the people you're surrounded by don't agree with. That's nonsense. You shouldn't pick a fight with someone that you're calling out for picking fights. Not only is that hypocritical, it is absurd. The 'ignore' button exists for reasons like this.

He's not wrong. From the look of things, Morrissey IS done. He is 52. Losing more and more of his vocal range by the year. His sales are ridiculously low. There is no major record label interest. Morrissey shows no interest in compromising for an indie label or self-releasing. He is no longer working with the collaborator who has penned most of his hit singles. He has no interest in looking for new collaborators. He has an inferior guitarist and co-writer with whom he has a death grip on.

Let's be honest, touring is keeping his career afloat currently. He's been touring the last 2 years in promotion of nothing. He has no other prospects at this point. If he somehow turns things around, it will be either through compromise or an act of God.
I beg to differ. 52 is not old. Vocally he is at his peak. You think Tobias is a weak musician, fair enough, many do not. He has ditched Alain but he has yet to release an album without him so let us wait before deciding if he can cope without his songwriting. YOR is a great album. If you don't think so, fine, but that doesnt mean he's finished. He is touring and according to those who have seen him, performing wonderfully. The recording contract thing is politics and not an artistic issue.
I do take your point about fans being over defensive. It's absolutely fine and healthy for you and Skylarker to argue his decline. Unfortunately it's a hard subject to debate. I like his late career, you don't. I can't think of any objective points to make that prove me right and you wrong.

[Worm]

If my calculations are correct, Morrissey has roughly been in the music business almost 30 years. Skylarker is complaining about the last 10, more specifically, the last 5 and 1/2 years of Morrissey's career. That leaves at least 20 years he doesn't have a problem with and is a fan of. I don't think you have to be a fan of an artist's current output to be a fan. You almost make it sound like the definition of a troll is someone who says something bluntly and critically that 98% of the people you're surrounded by don't agree with. That's nonsense. You shouldn't pick a fight with someone that you're calling out for picking fights. Not only is that hypocritical, it is absurd. The 'ignore' button exists for reasons like this.

He's not wrong. From the look of things, Morrissey IS done. He is 52. Losing more and more of his vocal range by the year. His sales are ridiculously low. There is no major record label interest. Morrissey shows no interest in compromising for an indie label or self-releasing. He is no longer working with the collaborator who has penned most of his hit singles. He has no interest in looking for new collaborators. He has an inferior guitarist and co-writer with whom he has a death grip on.

Let's be honest, touring is keeping his career afloat currently. He's been touring the last 2 years in promotion of nothing. He has no other prospects at this point. If he somehow turns things around, it will be either through compromise or an act of God.

I agree with a lot of what you said here.

You mention the Ignore button-- a fair point. But why wouldn't you or Skylarker apply the same logic to Morrissey, as a whole? Not just Ignore a poster or two in the site, but this whole site, and Morrissey as an artist?

After all, "Morrissey is done" is a very clear, very complete thought. Succinct and brutal. I disagree, but it's a valid viewpoint and I have no problem with anyone who holds it, because there's at least some evidence they could be right.

The point here isn't that Morrissey doesn't deserve criticism. The point is that Skylarker comes to a fan site for an artist he believes is "done", "washed up", and a "laughingstock". Question: why not Ignore Morrissey-solo.com? Why come here? Aren't there other discussion sites to visit where one can post threads about the lastest band you like, or the last movie you saw? Why come here? What purpose does it serve? Why would anyone who says what Skylarker said about Morrissey choose to frequent that artist's site-- especially when he's made it clear that he regards many of Morrissey's fans as moronic, delusional and stuck in the past? The answer is pretty obvious.

[Anonymous]

"Losing more and more of his vocal range by the year."
By Jove, you are an idiot!

we'll let you know

[Worm]

Unfortunately it's a hard subject to debate.

No, Peter. It's an easy subject to debate. You just contributed civil, fair, and honest remarks about the quality of his recent work. That seems impossible for some posters.

[Peterb]

No, Peter. It's an easy subject to debate. You just contributed civil, fair, and honest remarks about the quality of his recent work. That seems impossible for some posters.

Thank you Worm.

[nothappynotsad]

I beg to differ. 52 is not old. Vocally he is at his peak. You think Tobias is a weak musician, fair enough, many do not. He has ditched Alain but he has yet to release an album without him so let us wait before deciding if he can cope without his songwriting. YOR is a great album. If you don't think so, fine, but that doesnt mean he's finished. He is touring and according to those who have seen him, performing wonderfully. The recording contract thing is politics and not an artistic issue.
I do take your point about fans being over defensive. It's absolutely fine and healthy for you and Skylarker to argue his decline. Unfortunately it's a hard subject to debate. I like his late career, you don't. I can't think of any objective points to make that prove me right and you wrong.

Stating he is 52 had less to do with his mortality and more to do with his marketability. There are far older artists who still have amazing, successful careers. Morrissey's folly is he wants to be treated as if he is a major contender on the Pop scene. He isn't anymore. On his name alone he charts high the first week and then disappears. That isn't enough for a record company. He wants to be promoted by a label with pull but when you have a dodgy track record and fail to produce an obvious hit single or two while looking for a contract, they just aren't going to bite.

I wish he was vocally at his peak. But he isn't. He's lost the range he had even around 2004. As a matter of fact, I DID see him recently. There is a reason he doesn't go for the high notes at the end of "I Know It's Over" anymore, you know. Have you compared 'All The Lazy Dykes' as it was in 2004 to 2011? It is obvious listening to him live and on recent albums that he just doesn't have the range he used to. It isn't a criticism, it's just a fact that time is going to have an effect eventually on your voice. I'm not saying he doesn't have a good voice when he wants to, it's just it is nothing compared to what it once was.

[Peterb]

Stating he is 52 had less to do with his mortality and more to do with his marketability. There are far older artists who still have amazing, successful careers. Morrissey's folly is he wants to be treated as if he is a major contender on the Pop scene. He isn't anymore. On his name alone he charts high the first week and then disappears. That isn't enough for a record company. He wants to be promoted by a label with pull but when you have a dodgy track record and fail to produce an obvious hit single or two while looking for a contract, they just aren't going to bite.

I wish he was vocally at his peak. But he isn't. He's lost the range he had even around 2004. As a matter of fact, I DID see him recently. There is a reason he doesn't go for the high notes at the end of "I Know It's Over" anymore, you know. Have you compared 'All The Lazy Dykes' as it was in 2004 to 2011? It is obvious listening to him live and on recent albums that he just doesn't have the range he used to. It isn't a criticism, it's just a fact that time is going to have an effect eventually on your voice. I'm not saying he doesn't have a good voice when he wants to, it's just it is nothing compared to what it once was.
Losing your vocal range as you get older is inevitable. Nevertheless the great singers also see other changes as they age, the timbre improves and musicianship improve.
Imagine saying Sinatra or Bennet were finished at 50. I recently saw Dionne Warwick (who must be in her 70's). These are all great artists who manage the restrictions of age with great aristry and skill and, yes, improve despite everything. Now you may say Moz is not in this class. I happen to think he is.

[Anonymous]

Stating he is 52 had less to do with his mortality and more to do with his marketability. There are far older artists who still have amazing, successful careers. Morrissey's folly is he wants to be treated as if he is a major contender on the Pop scene. He isn't anymore. On his name alone he charts high the first week and then disappears. That isn't enough for a record company. He wants to be promoted by a label with pull but when you have a dodgy track record and fail to produce an obvious hit single or two while looking for a contract, they just aren't going to bite.

I wish he was vocally at his peak. But he isn't. He's lost the range he had even around 2004. As a matter of fact, I DID see him recently. There is a reason he doesn't go for the high notes at the end of "I Know It's Over" anymore, you know. Have you compared 'All The Lazy Dykes' as it was in 2004 to 2011? It is obvious listening to him live and on recent albums that he just doesn't have the range he used to. It isn't a criticism, it's just a fact that time is going to have an effect eventually on your voice. I'm not saying he doesn't have a good voice when he wants to, it's just it is nothing compared to what it once was.

You are a liar, you did not see M recently - and I know that. Also, today he sings better than ever; his vocal range is fantastic (just hear Art-hounds or I give, later is really hard song to sing and M did his job magnificent). The way his singing abilities are - is impressive!
You are just sad. Go and do something nice.

we'll let you know

[nothappynotsad]

I agree with a lot of what you said here.

You mention the Ignore button-- a fair point. But why wouldn't you or Skylarker apply the same logic to Morrissey, as a whole? Not just Ignore a poster or two in the site, but this whole site, and Morrissey as an artist?

After all, "Morrissey is done" is a very clear, very complete thought. Succinct and brutal. I disagree, but it's a valid viewpoint and I have no problem with anyone who holds it, because there's at least some evidence they could be right.

The point here isn't that Morrissey doesn't deserve criticism. The point is that Skylarker comes to a fan site for an artist he believes is "done", "washed up", and a "laughingstock". Question: why not Ignore Morrissey-solo.com? Why come here? Aren't there other discussion sites to visit where one can post threads about the lastest band you like, or the last movie you saw? Why come here? What purpose does it serve? Why would anyone who says what Skylarker said about Morrissey choose to frequent that artist's site-- especially when he's made it clear that he regards many of Morrissey's fans as moronic, delusional and stuck in the past? The answer is pretty obvious.

As I stated before, Morrissey had a career before 2002 (Skylarker's cutoff date for criticism). If you enjoy 20 years of an artist's career but not the last 10, does that disqualify you from posting on a forum about them? In turn, does criticizing the artist disqualify you as being a fan? Why does it matter if someone says "I think this sucks donkey balls" as opposed to "I dislike this"? If it isn't the criticism you have a problem with, then this is an issue of semantics. Which is an awfully silly thing to make an issue of. If anything, I believe the unmatched greatness Morrissey displayed in the first 20 years of his career breeds the rabid contempt among people who think his last decade has been a disappointment. I should know, my fiance is one of them.

The bottom line is, no one would be here if they weren't a fan or were at least a fan of some portion of his career. Not Skylarker, not me, not you, not Peterb, not Amy, not DavidT, not Valerie Gina, not Viva Hate or anybody else. To me, that should be all the reason you need to be on this forum.

Now, whether you love his entire career or just some of it, there is no debating his current situation and there is no debating that the reason he is in his current situation is solely because of choices he's made and continues to make. It is extremely frustrating when you feel someone who has been a constant in your life for so long starts letting you down consistently. Let's face it, anyone who actively participates on this forum for any length of time is going to exhaust all positives they can muster concerning his career. Especially with his recording career stalled and the best news you can get concerning him is about freeing an elephant! It's easy to criticize, and criticize viciously, when he's doing things like dressing his band up in speedos, making borderline racist statements, having his guitarist butcher your favorite songs, and denying his fanbase of music because he wants to be stingy and hold out on a major label contract that he doesn't really need. Criticism in whatever form does not make someone any less of a fan, just as blind adoration does not make someone any more of a fan.

[nothappynotsad]

You are a liar, you did not see M recently - and I know that. Also, today he sings better than ever; his vocal range is fantastic (just hear Art-hounds or I give, later is really hard song to sing and M did his job magnificent). The way his singing abilities are - is impressive!
You are just sad. Go and do something nice.

we'll let you know

What? Did you say something? I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you over the sound of my autographed cardboard cutout from this tour...
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/TheColdDick/cutout.png

[nothappynotsad]

Losing your vocal range as you get older is inevitable. Nevertheless the great singers also see other changes as they age, the timbre improves and musicianship improve.
Imagine saying Sinatra or Bennet were finished at 50. I recently saw Dionne Warwick (who must be in her 70's). These are all great artists who manage the restrictions of age with great aristry and skill and, yes, improve despite everything. Now you may say Moz is not in this class. I happen to think he is.

Bennett was finished before he even began. I never said Morrissey was finished because he's 52. I simply said his vocal range has massively diminished. With every tour it becomes more of a strain for him to hit higher notes. However, how can you honestly compare Sinatra and Warwick of their twilight years to them in their youth? There is a massive difference. I'm not saying they aren't good or that Morrissey isn't good, I'm just saying he and they are hardly at their "peak" as you described it.

[Anonymous]

Dear God Please Help Us, you are - -Moron!
To save elephant? If you do not understand that, than you never understand M.
Dressin in speedos? Band just like that joke! But you have to be something else than green tagliatelle with scampi to get that!
Racist statement? Where? When? How?
Guitarist Butcher? Tobias is far better live player than AW. But how could you know that - you didn't see M live for ages, if ever!
Just go and do something nice.

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

"With every tour it becomes more of a strain for him to hit higher note."
But, honestly, you take some hard drugs?
Just use youtube (because you never saw M live), you will hear how easily M hits higher note.
Go and do something nice. You are pathetic.

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

"Bennett was finished before he even began."
You ignorant noodle!
Go and do something nice!

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

Bennett was finished before he even began. I never said Morrissey was finished because he's 52. I simply said his vocal range has massively diminished. With every tour it becomes more of a strain for him to hit higher notes. However, how can you honestly compare Sinatra and Warwick of their twilight years to them in their youth? There is a massive difference. I'm not saying they aren't good or that Morrissey isn't good, I'm just saying he and they are hardly at their "peak" as you described it.

How did you describe yourself? "General laze about"
Fit, really fit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymRNpTP1aO8
Sinatra - 53 years old
You are a noodle.
"Bennett was finished before he even began."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQS_NyR7qqM&feature=related
God, just go, please, go and do something nice.

we'll let you know

[Worm]

As I stated before, Morrissey had a career before 2002 (Skylarker's cutoff date for criticism). If you enjoy 20 years of an artist's career but not the last 10, does that disqualify you from posting on a forum about them?

Your post is reasonable and well-stated, but you're obscuring the point. I don't care if there were people here who only liked "The Smiths" and hated everything he did after 1984. Bring them on, let's have a discussion. But Skylarker has viciously insulted Morrissey over and over again and he has ripped into anyone who has disagreed with him. It's not for me to decide who is "qualified" to post here or not. Nobody cares what I think. But let me ask you this. If he dislikes the last 10 years of Morrissey's career, thinks his current band is shit, and actually calls him "washed up" and "done", why doesn't Skylarker's own opinion keep him away?

There are plenty of artists I used to like but don't care about anymore because they're washed up. I don't go to Lou Reed's site, post YouTube clips of The National, and then belligerently take on any fans who come after me, calling them knuckle-dragging idiots, poseurs, and self-deluded victims of their own nostalgia, all while seizing every chance I get to go on trashing Lou Reed. Do you honestly not see the difference?


If anything, I believe the unmatched greatness Morrissey displayed in the first 20 years of his career breeds the rabid contempt among people who think his last decade has been a disappointment. Now, whether you love his entire career or just some of it, there is no debating his current situation and there is no debating that the reason he is in his current situation is solely because of choices he's made and continues to make. It is extremely frustrating when you feel someone who has been a constant in your life for so long starts letting you down consistently. Let's face it, anyone who actively participates on this forum for any length of time is going to exhaust all positives they can muster concerning his career. Especially with his recording career stalled and the best news you can get concerning him is about freeing an elephant! It's easy to criticize, and criticize viciously, when he's doing things like dressing his band up in speedos, making borderline racist statements, having his guitarist butcher your favorite songs, and denying his fanbase of music because he wants to be stingy and hold out on a major label contract that he doesn't really need. Criticism in whatever form does not make someone any less of a fan, just as blind adoration does not make someone any more of a fan.

All completely valid points. If you were to check, which you won't, you would see that at various times I've echoed most of your criticisms myself. But the criticism isn't really the main issue. If Morrissey has made all these mistakes, and he's "done", then why in the world would anyone want to discuss the ins and outs of why Morrissey stopped being great ten years ago? I don't understand. The patient has flatlined. The doctor has called the time of death. The sheet is over his head and the nurses are wheeling him to the morgue. What is there to discuss?

Or is this really nothing more than an exercise in venting resentment and frustration on an artist who has disappointed you, as well as on the last few fans who don't share your opinions?

[Worm]

I'm not saying he doesn't have a good voice when he wants to, it's just it is nothing compared to what it once was.

So you must disagree with Brian Fallon and Skylarker, then. They want him to go back and rediscover what made him great. According to you he's physically incapable of doing that. And in any case he doesn't seem to want to try. So what's left? What hope do you have for him? Compromise is even less likely than an Act of God. So what are you holding out for?

[Worm]

It's a real shame that in the absence of a new album, he can't do a "Your Arsenal" 20th Anniversary Tour, and just play that record through track by track. :guitar:
That would be so awesome. *sigh*

Wha...? :)

I'm confused by this thread. People seem to agree that Morrissey is stalled or "done". People seem to agree that he's going nowhere. People seem to agree that he's so far out on the margins of pop music that he's an embarrassment to his own legacy. And yet nobody is suggesting he grow and move forward as an artist, really. It's not that Morrissey should be great again, in a new way, but that he should go back to doing what made him great before. He should impersonate himself more effectively, is the gist.

All this in a thread which contrasts Morrissey's present-day irrelevancy and paralysis with The Gaslight Anthem, whose breakthrough album was called "The '59 Sound" and who openly embrace the inspiration of bands who haven't been fresh and current since the 70s and mid-80s. In order for Morrissey to sound fresh again-- as fresh as The Gaslight Anthem-- he needs to sound like 1988 again. The irony is rich.

[Kewpie]

It's a real shame that in the absence of a new album, he can't do something interesting like a "Your Arsenal" 20th Anniversary Tour, and just play that record straight through.

That would be so awesome, and fans would go nuts for it. *sigh*

Thank goodness, Morrissey hasn't become a nostalgia act yet.

In reality if you went to see 2007 tour, you might have hoped that he could still sing songs from Your Arsenal in original tempo.

[Worm]

Just for the record, I would love him to continue to grow as an artist, and I think he has it in him for an excellent quality swan song-or two. But, since there is no record deal that we know of, right now, why not take advantage of the fact that one of the greatest albums of the 1990's is celebrating its 20th Anniversary and make fans happy in the process? That wouldn't make him a nostalgia act.
I mean, supposedly he will be touring in the fall anyway...

It just seems like a shame to let an opportunity like that- and the press it would generate-pass by is all.

I'm no hater. Just a little bored sometimes. :) I guess that comes from being an accounting student.:sleeping:

I know, I wasn't attacking you personally. The "Your Arsenal" quote just stuck out to me. I think the general argument in this thread is ass-backward. I don't care if The Gaslight Anthem really are the greatest band in the world, they're openly nostalgic for the past-- in fact, try wrapping your head around the fact that Fallon is nostalgic for Springsteen, a songwriter who was already pointedly nostalgic in the Seventies-- and it seems totally bizarre to deride Morrissey for not being as "current and fresh" as they are. In my view, I would prefer that Morrissey flounder trying to push ahead in his own misguided way rather than flourish doing a Wax Museum imitation of himself.

And obviously we're all bored or we wouldn't be rehashing the same stuff over and over again. :)

[applebuttaz]

The point being that The Smiths can't reform without Morrissey.

and if they do, no-one want's to see.. tom, dick, and harry...then it be a morrissey concert.

[SparkleBoy]

Brian Fallout? Oh I get it, you're doing that thing Morrissey does where he makes someone's name into a silly word, to insult them.

No, silly! If that were the case he would have said something like Brian Fibber McSqueeble!

[Skylarker]

The Gaslight Anthem are Against Me-wanna be's trying to be like Springsteen.

Works for me.


It's hard not to agree with Skylarker, irrespective of whether you're a Gaslight Anthem fan or not (I've never heard them).

There are still hints of brilliance in Morrissey's output

Yes. Hints.


Wow, Brian Fallon has piled it on. Compare that video of Old haunts to the clip of him being interviewed! No wonder the guy is asking him about Pizza.

I thought so too!


To get back on topic, he's got a point about Moz. However, I can't take him seriously since his band is essentially a fawning Springsteen impersonation machine.

Nothing wrong with that.


Imagine a Bruce Springsteen cover band doing a parody of The Replacements.

That's all I could ever ask for in a band!


Here you go again. Everyone else is shit-slinging, you're just an innocent bystander.

I'm not a bystander. I'm involved in this. I knew I'd get shit but I did what I had to do. People need to see him for what he is.


You're a smart guy, Skylarker.

Aww, shucks.


It's embarrassing to watch you disingenuously argue as if you've merely been defending The Gaslight Anthem. At every turn you've blasted Morrissey. And not just with "Jesse isn't as good as Alain" knocks, but annihilating remarks like "Morrissey's done", a "washed-up laughingstock", a guy who writes "shitty songs", etc.

I won't lie and say I'm not disgusted with Morrissey. I am. That much is obvious. Never in my life have I said anything against Justin Bieber. Is it because I'm a fan? No. It's because he doesn't exist to me. Morrissey does. I lived and breathed him for 20 years. Twenty fucking years.

But seeing what he has become...as a person, as an artist, as a cultural icon...how he treats his fans now...the way he markets his material, the total drop in finesse and integrity and subtlety...it makes me feel like I was lied to all that time, like that devotion was for nothing.

I hope more than anyone on this fucking board that he pulls another great record or hell even song out of his hat instead of continuing along the path that it seems he is set on going. I don't think it's gonna happen. I'm angry with him. Anger is a great motivator. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here.


There's nothing wrong with The Gaslight Anthem. God knows Paul Westerberg needs the royalty checks.

Umm, that was dumb. They haven't recorded any of his songs. Try again.


But it's silly to claim you haven't propped up The Gaslight Anthem at the expense of Morrissey. You have. Everyone sees that.

Make no mistake...I truly, truly love The Gaslight Anthem. I put off listening to them for two years because Brian looked like a stroke and he came across as a mook in interviews. I didn't even give his music a chance because I had my head too far up Morrissey's ass. I was wrong; the lyrics are brilliant and I haven't felt this connected to a group since I found The Smiths when I was 15. But I'm not a teenager anymore, hell I'm not even in my 20s anymore. Morrissey doesn't speak to me, at least not like he used to. But Gaslight does. Their music and his words are the most invigorating thing I've heard in years. To me, personally, they are an extremely important band. I don't expect everyone else to like them. Hell, when I was a teenager, no one I knew liked Morrissey. I'm used to it. It's fine. But please don't second guess my motives because you don't fucking know.


You back off from everything you post. Why?

I don't, really. But I have a problem with absolutism. I'm willing to meet most people halfway. Across the sky. Out where the world belongs to only you and I.


A pseudo-intellectual bore isn't the worst thing you can be on a discussion forum, Skylarker. The worst thing you can be is a troll. Unless you want to roll back your remark that "Morrissey's done", you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone here that you're not a troll. This is a fan site for an artist who hasn't released an album in three years, whom you explicitly call "washed up". You come here and stir up shit with his fans. I don't care if you occasionally say intelligent things or make the odd amusing wisecrack. You don't like Morrissey's current music and you come here to lord your alleged superiority over the other fans here. By any definition, you're a troll.

I'd rather be a troll than dull. But these are objective opinions. I am not here to make friends. I'm here to speak my opinion on Morrissey. I am a fan. But I'm very disillusioned with him and what he's become, and I have been for years. I think he's an incredible writer and a very powerful force artistically; but I think he's settled for being a big fish in a little bowl and that's sad.


The point here isn't that Morrissey doesn't deserve criticism. The point is that Skylarker comes to a fan site for an artist he believes is "done", "washed up", and a "laughingstock". Question: why not Ignore Morrissey-solo.com? Why come here? Aren't there other discussion sites to visit where one can post threads about the lastest band you like, or the last movie you saw? Why come here? What purpose does it serve? Why would anyone who says what Skylarker said about Morrissey choose to frequent that artist's site-- especially when he's made it clear that he regards many of Morrissey's fans as moronic, delusional and stuck in the past? The answer is pretty obvious.

Yeah but you're making it sound as though in your opinion he doesn't deserve criticism, that he is beyond reproach...and that's so absurd a notion that I can't even begin to address it.

I come here because I should be able to speak my mind about Morrissey, even if it is to criticize him. I was and still am a fan, and I keep up with his activity and I don't hate all of it. I'm just very, very disillusioned. But for years and years I knew nobody that liked Morrissey. This site, though it came late in my life, was a revelation, and there are some wonderful people on here...I enjoy discussing something, a personal artistic interest of mine, that was esoteric and private in my life for years. Is that OK with you?


I'm confused by this thread. People seem to agree that Morrissey is stalled or "done". People seem to agree that he's going nowhere. People seem to agree that he's so far out on the margins of pop music that he's an embarrassment to his own legacy. And yet nobody is suggesting he grow and move forward as an artist, really. It's not that Morrissey should be great again, in a new way, but that he should go back to doing what made him great before. He should impersonate himself more effectively, is the gist.

All this in a thread which contrasts Morrissey's present-day irrelevancy and paralysis with The Gaslight Anthem, whose breakthrough album was called "The '59 Sound" and who openly embrace the inspiration of bands who haven't been fresh and current since the 70s and mid-80s. In order for Morrissey to sound fresh again-- as fresh as The Gaslight Anthem-- he needs to sound like 1988 again. The irony is rich.

What goes around comes around. Everything old is new again. Only a fool thinks there is "new ground" to break in rock and roll. "It ain't whatcha do it's the way 'atcha do it."

And Morrissey isn't far from the margins of pop music. He has never strayed from the guitar / bass / drums verse-chorus-verse thing. And that's fine; I love that formula, it's classic. He just doesn't do it very well anymore. He's far from the margins of good music.


Thank goodness, Morrissey hasn't become a nostalgia act yet.

In reality if you went to see 2007 tour, you might have hoped that he could still sing songs from Your Arsenal in original tempo.

Get out of my thread.

[mcrickson]

why not take advantage of the fact that one of the greatest albums of the 1990's is celebrating its 20th Anniversary and make fans happy in the process?

Because Morrissey hates his fans. But he loves them.

[nothappynotsad]

Your post is reasonable and well-stated, but you're obscuring the point. I don't care if there were people here who only liked "The Smiths" and hated everything he did after 1984. Bring them on, let's have a discussion. But Skylarker has viciously insulted Morrissey over and over again and he has ripped into anyone who has disagreed with him. It's not for me to decide who is "qualified" to post here or not. Nobody cares what I think. But let me ask you this. If he dislikes the last 10 years of Morrissey's career, thinks his current band is shit, and actually calls him "washed up" and "done", why doesn't Skylarker's own opinion keep him away?

Simple. Because there are usually more topics on this forum, dealing with different aspects of Morrissey and eras of his career, than just about his current work. And if that isn't enough, there is the downloads section, where under his current name and various others, Skylarker has been submitting his "Never-Played Symphonies" collections for the last 3 years. No one else is faster or more willing to upload something a user needs under the downloads section than Skylarker. Then you have the Off-topic section and Other music section that he actively participates in. There is plenty for him to do here and plenty of a career to discuss if he sees fit. That is why he doesn't leave. If Morrissey wasn't currently touring, there would be more of an opportunity and reason to discuss his past. But he is touring and with every new update, it is hard to take him seriously.



There are plenty of artists I used to like but don't care about anymore because they're washed up. I don't go to Lou Reed's site, post YouTube clips of The National, and then belligerently take on any fans who come after me, calling them knuckle-dragging idiots, poseurs, and self-deluded victims of their own nostalgia, all while seizing every chance I get to go on trashing Lou Reed. Do you honestly not see the difference?

I wouldn't have a problem with that. I don't know why you do. To each his own.



All completely valid points. If you were to check, which you won't, you would see that at various times I've echoed most of your criticisms myself. But the criticism isn't really the main issue. If Morrissey has made all these mistakes, and he's "done", then why in the world would anyone want to discuss the ins and outs of why Morrissey stopped being great ten years ago? I don't understand. The patient has flatlined. The doctor has called the time of death. The sheet is over his head and the nurses are wheeling him to the morgue. What is there to discuss?

The not-very-subtle-at-all contempt you have for me and Skylarker is palpable. I wouldn't take what people say or do on the internet so personally.

What is there to discuss about why he stopped being great that hasn't already been said before? In fact, almost everything could be discussed about what is wrong with and could be fixed about Morrissey's career was discussed here: http://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/114607-Career-Advice-For-Morrissey


Or is this really nothing more than an exercise in venting resentment and frustration on an artist who has disappointed you, as well as on the last few fans who don't share your opinions?

It is easy to vent on people who violently defend Morrissey as much as it is to violent criticize Morrissey.


So you must disagree with Brian Fallon and Skylarker, then. They want him to go back and rediscover what made him great. According to you he's physically incapable of doing that. And in any case he doesn't seem to want to try. So what's left? What hope do you have for him? Compromise is even less likely than an Act of God. So what are you holding out for?

That isn't true. I never said he was physically incapable of being great again. Just because he can't hit all the high notes, that does not change what he has to say, how he says it, and what music it is backed to. As far as vocal melodies go, he STILL has it. Does he have a good voice still, YES. The problem is and has been his choice of collaborators, his backing band, and his lyrical laziness.


Although a lot of this thread has made me cringe, let me say that you are dead-on in this last paragraph. His career is indeed, sadly, stalled. There's no other way to put it. With no albums, live or otherwise, not even proper singles of the new songs, no DVDs, and no autobiography (at least not this year), it is difficult to stay optimistic and interested at times. Even the setlist at the concerts on this tour is getting painfully tiresome.

It's even more frustrating when you know that he has purposely denied his fan base plenty of rarities and live concerts and proper deluxe editions of his back catalog for no apparent reason other than he felt like it.


Wha...? :)

I'm confused by this thread. People seem to agree that Morrissey is stalled or "done". People seem to agree that he's going nowhere. People seem to agree that he's so far out on the margins of pop music that he's an embarrassment to his own legacy. And yet nobody is suggesting he grow and move forward as an artist, really. It's not that Morrissey should be great again, in a new way, but that he should go back to doing what made him great before. He should impersonate himself more effectively, is the gist.

I think everyone is suggesting he grow as an artist! Working with tired old Boz and 3 chord Tobias is not only standing still, it is devolving. He's been stagnant for so long that he's content with it. Working with Marr again isn't necessarily the answer...but it would be a start. Marr at least obviously has more to offer than they do at this point. I think Morrissey must lack the confidence to try to seek out new collaborators. There is no reason an artist of his stature isn't out trying to work with the best talents available. He could. He just doesn't.

[123xyz]

Morrissey doesn't deserve criticism?! That 's so absurd a statement I can't even begin to address it.






Skylarker , in all fairness to Worm , I think the point he was making was that ( as indicated by the qualifying double negative in his remark i.e. "isn't" , "doesn't" ) Morrissey is, obviously, not above criticism.

[Anonymous]

"I'd rather be a troll than dull." says Skylarker.

That's the thing. YOU ARE DULL. The Gaslight Anthem are exactly as a previous poster described them, a nostalgia act of an already nostalgia act. There is nothing interesting nor fascinating about that band.

By comparison, Ke$ha is more interesting than The Gaslight Anthem. And you are a dork.

[Anonymous]

"Just because he can't hit all the high notes..."
nothappynotsad, are you mental, disturbed, what is wrong with you, why are you here; you know nothing about Morrissey, you never saw Morrissey live, you never bought his cd... Who are you?
I beg you, go, go and do something nice. Be a good girl, make something from your life; go to library, start to read (Benjamin Disraeli 'Vivian Grey' is book for you). It is not the end, you can catch meaninig in your existance. Start today.

we'll let you know

[Skylarker]

Simple. Because there are usually more topics on this forum, dealing with different aspects of Morrissey and eras of his career, than just about his current work. And if that isn't enough, there is the downloads section, where under his current name and various others, Skylarker has been submitting his "Never-Played Symphonies" collections for the last 3 years. No one else is faster or more willing to upload something a user needs under the downloads section than Skylarker. Then you have the Off-topic section and Other music section that he actively participates in. There is plenty for him to do here and plenty of a career to discuss if he sees fit. That is why he doesn't leave. If Morrissey wasn't currently touring, there would be more of an opportunity and reason to discuss his past. But he is touring and with every new update, it is hard to take him seriously.


:lbf: :thumb:



Skylarker , in all fairness to Worm , I think the point he was making was that ( as indicated by the qualifying double negative in his remark i.e. "isn't" , "doesn't" ) Morrissey is, obviously, not above criticism.

Oh yeah. Just noticed that.

Fixed.

[Skylarker]

http://s8.postimage.org/tbloqaj91/capture_20120511_055604.jpg

[Anonymous]

did you see the videos of jakarta gig?, you should, people and moz were really happy

finish this thread please!!

[Worm]

I won't lie and say I'm not disgusted with Morrissey. I am. That much is obvious. Never in my life have I said anything against Justin Bieber. Is it because I'm a fan? No. It's because he doesn't exist to me. Morrissey does. I lived and breathed him for 20 years. Twenty fucking years.

But seeing what he has become...as a person, as an artist, as a cultural icon...how he treats his fans now...the way he markets his material, the total drop in finesse and integrity and subtlety...it makes me feel like I was lied to all that time, like that devotion was for nothing.

I hope more than anyone on this fucking board that he pulls another great record or hell even song out of his hat instead of continuing along the path that it seems he is set on going. I don't think it's gonna happen. I'm angry with him. Anger is a great motivator. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here.

So why is it you can't just say that? As forcefully and as colorfully and as brutal as you want to be, but just that, and no more. Do you realize this thread would have turned out completely different if you had posted the link to Brian's comments and followed that with: "The Smiths were a chemical, emotional, and psychological fusion between Morrissey and Marr. That is what should be sought after. To me, The Gaslight Anthem realize that ideal perfectly and maybe Morrissey could learn a thing or two from them."

Instead you planted your flag, unfolded your lawn chair, and sat down with your shotgun across your thighs waiting for the peasants to storm up the street with pitchforks and torches. That's trollish. Then you got mad because people who were angry you'd just pissed on Morrissey's head were now pissing on the head of your hero du jour. Hilarious.


Umm, that was dumb. They haven't recorded any of his songs. Try again.

That was a joke. They should pay Paul royalties. Anyone who has ever spent any time listening to The Replacements knows exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, and here's Brian in 2009: "I don't think there would be a Gaslight Anthem without the Replacements," Fallon said during his recent performance at SPIN's NYC office, before opening with an acoustic cover of the Minnesota indie band's "Left of the Dial," from 1985's Tim. Indeed, Fallon's rough-hewn vocals bring to mind a young Paul Westerberg." Google wins again! (http://www.spin.com/articles/spin-sessions-gaslight-anthem-unplugged)

Look, I know it sounds like I'm bashing The Gaslight Anthem, but as you point out below there's nothing new under the sun. To my ears a Bruce Springsteen tribute band doing a parody of The Replacements is pretty fucking cool. Just don't try and sell me on the idea that these guys should somehow stand as beacons of inspiration for Morrissey to find his way again. Tell me they're the best band in the world-- fine. Tell me they're as timely and groundbreaking as The Beatles, The Clash, et al, and I have to wonder what you're smoking.


Morrissey doesn't speak to me, at least not like he used to. But Gaslight does. Their music and his words are the most invigorating thing I've heard in years. To me, personally, they are an extremely important band. I don't expect everyone else to like them. Hell, when I was a teenager, no one I knew liked Morrissey. I'm used to it. It's fine. But please don't second guess my motives because you don't fucking know.

I wasn't speculating on your motives for liking The Gaslight Anthem. I don't know and I don't care. They're important to you. Great. But your motives for praising them at the expense of Morrissey are clear as day and they're right here in this thread. Look at your first post, before anyone hit you back with "Dahling, simpwee evvweebody knows that Gahslight Aneurysm, or whoever, ah simpwee dwedful". You came to a Morrissey fan site and said Brian was a genius compared to what Morrissey is now. And look at what you just said to me: "I knew I'd get shit but I did what I had to do." Trollish.

But since you basically owned that by saying, "I'd rather be a troll...", then let me just ask you: wouldn't it make more sense to wax poetic about the greatness of The Gaslight Anthem, in a Gaslight Anthem forum, and maybe start an Off Topic thread there devoted to how sad and embarrassing Morrissey has become?

If you post here because, despite your anger and your disappointment, you still care a little bit, deep down, then show some respect to the rest of us who happen to care more than you do. Knock off this bullshit about how stupid and delusional Morrissey apostles are. Do you think Morrissey loathes this site because it's full of sunshine-pumping dweebs whose only mission in life is to lick his boots? Pay attention.


Yeah but you're making it sound as though in your opinion he doesn't deserve criticism, that he is beyond reproach...and that's so absurd a notion that I can't even begin to address it.

Again, I don't know where this comes from. I get the fact that I'm a bore to you, so you probably don't keep track of these things, but as often as I've defended him I have been very critical of Morrissey, and for a long time.


I come here because I should be able to speak my mind about Morrissey, even if it is to criticize him. I was and still am a fan, and I keep up with his activity and I don't hate all of it. I'm just very, very disillusioned. But for years and years I knew nobody that liked Morrissey. This site, though it came late in my life, was a revelation, and there are some wonderful people on here...I enjoy discussing something, a personal artistic interest of mine, that was esoteric and private in my life for years. Is that OK with you?

Of course it's okay. Have at it. I'm not a mod. I don't get to decide who says what or how they say it. I'm just tired of your "I'm the only sane guy in the room" schtick. You don't just have a bone to pick with Morrissey. You don't like his fans, either, and that makes you an antagonist toward most of the people who visit this site. Someone should call you on it, and I just did. You're disillusioned and angry, and you take pleasure in mocking other people who haven't become as disillusioned and angry as you are. Please, carry on telling Morrissey and his fans why they should "get over it and move on" when you're a regular at a fan site devoted to an artist you haven't liked in ten years.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

So I listened to those songs and uhh, one was OK I guess :o
maybe I just don't get it, I am old :straightface:

[Worm]

Simple. Because there are usually more topics on this forum, dealing with different aspects of Morrissey and eras of his career, than just about his current work. And if that isn't enough, there is the downloads section, where under his current name and various others, Skylarker has been submitting his "Never-Played Symphonies" collections for the last 3 years. No one else is faster or more willing to upload something a user needs under the downloads section than Skylarker. Then you have the Off-topic section and Other music section that he actively participates in. There is plenty for him to do here and plenty of a career to discuss if he sees fit. That is why he doesn't leave. If Morrissey wasn't currently touring, there would be more of an opportunity and reason to discuss his past. But he is touring and with every new update, it is hard to take him seriously.

Fair enough. Eloquent defense. You're right, that's reason enough to come here. But why would he not, then, apply what you said to me about the Ignore button? Why continually berate other posters? I know of collectors who visit this site and never jump into the fray, confining themselves to matters pertaining to 1983-2003. Why is it necessary to stir up arguments elsewhere?

As I told him, above, I'm not trying to be a cop. Everyone can speak her mind here. Go for it. But clearly he's taking pleasure in knocking other people. He's insulted me without provocation, and I've seen him insult others without provocation, many times.


The not-very-subtle-at-all contempt you have for me and Skylarker is palpable. I wouldn't take what people say or do on the internet so personally.

I don't have contempt for you and Skylarker. You just assume I have contempt for you and Skylarker because I'm a pseudo-intellectual bore, and as a rule one should always pre-emptively despise a pseudo-intellectual bore before he gets a chance to reveal his disdain for you.


It's even more frustrating when you know that he has purposely denied his fan base plenty of rarities and live concerts and proper deluxe editions of his back catalog for no apparent reason other than he felt like it.

Or, as Skylarker put it, "because it amuses him".

Morrissey is doing something very, very interesting by withholding from fans "what the fans want". I have a lot of reservations and concerns about it, and I can't honestly say that it's all going to end well, but I see what he's doing and believe me, as frustrating as it is, it's a damn sight better than capitulating to the nostalgia circuit.

You could say that Morrissey...


...is devolving.

In a sense that's exactly right. Unable to go forward, unwilling to go back, he's standing still, devolving on the spot. Instead of assuming he's lost it, washed-up and done, it might be worth asking what this devolution means. Perhaps there's some method to his madness. But that would involve exchanging ideas without unleashing withering insults on people who don't share one's anger and disillusionment. Take it away, Brian:


"There was a club in New York in the '60s that Dylan played at and all these young folk artists and so that's where it came from. The main point was that they weren't famous and they were all sharing their ideas. So we were like, 'Gaslight, hrm, anthem, hrm.' The collective idea of that, that's us." (PunkBands.com, February 26, 2008)

[Anonymous]

Oh my god, it's Robby! writes: "So I listen to those songs and uhh, one was OK I guess
maybe I just don't get it, I am old"

I don't think it's that. They are just nothing exciting or interesting at all. Simple as that. A nostalgia act of an already nostalgia act.

In other words; "nothing to see here people, keep moving".

[Worm]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Wow.

I hadn't had a chance to watch the video interview for myself until just now.

This thread now seems even less necessary and twice as infuriating.

Fallon ripped Morrissey and The Smiths. You'd have to have a tin ear not to hear it. Fallon was asked about his influences. One by one, the Red Bull guy threw out names. Joe Strummer was first. Fallon gave a thoughtful answer. Guy from the Afghan Whigs. Fallon gave a thoughtful answer. Morrissey. Embarrassed pause, "Mmm...not so much", then some teasing of Morrissey and Johnny Marr. That was a half-way diplomatic response to a public question about a public figure, nothing more.

Let me explain the handshake comment. Fallon made fun of Morrissey by saying "He gets the chicks, but he doesn't care..." Gives a "you know what I mean" look to the audience. The audience started laughing. Realizing it sounded homophobic, he elaborated on his remark by adding, "Morrissey says he doesn't like girls or boys...what does he like, TV?" More laughter. Realizing he was shredding Morrissey in front of an audience, he backed off, adding the line about shaking his hand.

Those were nasty, frat-boy cheap-shots. Plain and simple.

And even if you're crazy enough to think it was just good-natured ribbing, there's no getting around the fact that he was giving the Red Bull guy solid answers before and after Morrissey's name came up and had nothing-- nothing-- substantive to say about Morrissey himself. Pretty surprising for a guy who allegedly likes The Smiths not to mention, sixty seconds after talking about how the Afghan Whigs got him into Motown records, that Morrissey and Marr were also influenced by early rock and roll and Sixties girl groups. A guy who allegedly likes The Smiths teases Morrissey about tape and flowers-- okay-- but he has nothing to say about Johnny Marr except that he dresses like a kid?

Sorry. Fallon unloaded the usual rockist bullshit that Henry Rollins has been peddling for years. God, how many times over the years I've had to listen to those same cruel, moronic, meat-headed slurs. "Morrissey? Pffft. Come on. The Smiths were cool, yeah, but, dude, why did Morrissey have to be so fucking gay?" Oh, and Pearl Jam? Pearl Jam totally rule, man. Yes, Fallon couldn't wait to talk about Pearl Jam.

Oh, how I would love to read Mark Simpson's response to that footage.

[joe frady]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Wow.

I hadn't had a chance to watch the video interview for myself until just now.

This thread now seems even less necessary and twice as infuriating.

Fallon ripped Morrissey and The Smiths. You'd have to have a tin ear not to hear it. Fallon was asked about his influences. One by one, the Red Bull guy threw out names. Joe Strummer was first. Fallon gave a thoughtful answer. Guy from the Afghan Whigs. Fallon gave a thoughtful answer. Morrissey. Embarrassed pause, "Mmm...not so much", then some teasing of Morrissey and Johnny Marr. That was a half-way diplomatic response to a public question about a public figure, nothing more.

Let me explain the handshake comment. Fallon made fun of Morrissey by saying "He gets the chicks, but he doesn't care..." Gives a "you know what I mean" look to the audience. The audience started laughing. Realizing it sounded homophobic, he elaborated on his remark by adding, "Morrissey says he doesn't like girls or boys...what does he like, TV?" More laughter. Realizing he was shredding Morrissey in front of an audience, he backed off, adding the line about shaking his hand.

Those were nasty, frat-boy cheap-shots. Plain and simple.

And even if you're crazy enough to think it was just good-natured ribbing, there's no getting around the fact that he was giving the Red Bull guy solid answers before and after Morrissey's name came up and had nothing-- nothing-- substantive to say about Morrissey himself. Pretty surprising for a guy who allegedly likes The Smiths not to mention, sixty seconds after talking about how the Afghan Whigs got him into Motown records, that Morrissey and Marr were also influenced by early rock and roll and Sixties girl groups. A guy who allegedly likes The Smiths teases Morrissey about tape and flowers-- okay-- but he has nothing to say about Johnny Marr except that he dresses like a kid?

Sorry. Fallon unloaded the usual rockist bullshit that Henry Rollins has been peddling for years. God, how many times over the years I've had to listen to those same cruel, moronic, meat-headed slurs. "Morrissey? Pffft. Come on. The Smiths were cool, yeah, but, dude, why did Morrissey have to be so fucking gay?" Oh, and Pearl Jam? Pearl Jam totally rule, man. Yes, Fallon couldn't wait to talk about Pearl Jam.

Oh, how I would love to read Mark Simpson's response to that footage.

So just the type of dude who would find the 'November Spawned A Monster' promo film "sickeningly effete" ? Perfect fit for Skylarker then :thumb:

[Worm]

So just the type of dude who would find the 'November Spawned A Monster' promo film "sickeningly effete" ? Perfect fit for Skylarker then :thumb:

Oh yes. All this "constructive criticism" of Morrissey definitely has a certain flavor to it, no?

Someone said some cool things, just recently, in response to homophobia.

"In 2012 I still find people on the internet commenting on another person's life how they insult and condemn a person for his choices...How about you let another human being make a decision about their lives without your snide prejudices and bigotry? ... From my limited understanding of the subject, it means feeling your whole life like you were born in the wrong skin. That’s something that 99% of us can’t understand."

Yep, that's from Gaslight Anthem's Tumblr, about Tom Gabel's sex change. Go here (http://thegaslightanthem.tumblr.com/day/2012/05/09) to read it.

Nice, right? So we'll just have to assume Brian Fallon's a little confused about things and maybe got to snickering when he shouldn't have. Maybe he thinks it's okay to make fun of men who like flowers because he assumes Morrissey is just doing it all for show. Which would mitigate his comments in the video-- while, at the same time, more or less proving that he likes The Smiths about as much as I like Blue Oyster Cult.

http://images.45cat.com/the-smiths-hand-in-glove-rough-trade.jpg

Deal with it.

[Skylarker]

Rollins is abhorrent to me; his comments about setting Morrissey on fire always have and always will make me sick. I truly don't understand why you guys draw a comparison between his homophobic vitriol and Brian's playful joking.

If Brian met Morrissey in a bar I'm sure he'd waste no time buying him a pint and telling him how much he loved his early records; after all, The Gaslight Anthem were originally called This Charming Man. On the other hand I'm sure Rollins would be an absolute macho shitball. I don't care if you rip on Fallon but please don't compare him to a waste of space like Henry Rollins.

Fallon's comments about Gabel's sex change (which really depresses me, by the way, because to do that to yourself you have to have some serious issues and really hate yourself, which is sad because that guy is a great writer and a very sincere human being) are genuine. Fallon isn't a homophobe; plus Gabel was his friend and former touring partner. All Brian did was joke about how Morrissey doesn't like girls or boys. It was a joke. Christ almighty, do you have no sense of humor?

You should. You're ardently defending the dead-serious integrity of a guy whose Greatest Hits has his hairy asscheeks greeting whoever opens the record. He has his band take the stage in speedos and dresses. It's homoerotic and it's camp and it's because Morrissey is, and always has been, attracted to men...not exclusively, but enough to where he likes to play with the imagery. And that's fine, but don't get all pissy when a straight guy makes a silly joke about it. That doesn't make Fallon a jock or a fratboy or a homophobe. It makes him a normal guy.

As for your embedding of the Hand In Glove sleeve and telling me to "deal with it"...I don't have to deal with shit. Homesexuality is about as impressive to me as a 30 year old learning to ride a bicycle. I have nothing against gays per se, but they don't impress me as being rebellious or interesting based purely on their gayness. Oscar Wilde is a huge hero of mine, but it's not because he liked penises in his mouth. A lot of homosexuals, and particularly homosexual "artists" default to their sexuality to bolster their worth as intellectuals, and that's bullshit. I'm smarter than almost anyone I know and I love pussy. Love it.

We've spent all this time and space debating an interview that by your own admission you just now watched. You wanna know why I didn't say things in the measured, didactic way you think I should have? It's very simple. I don't talk that way. You talk that way.

But, to sum things up...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E-VhxNLE0g&feature=related

[nothappynotsad]

Rollins is abhorrent to me; his comments about setting Morrissey on fire always have and always will make me sick. I truly don't understand why you guys draw a comparison between his homophobic vitriol and Brian's playful joking.

Anyone who has ever heard Rollins say anything at all should know that he was clearly joking in that video. He may dislike Morrissey (or he may actually like him and is just being a sarcastic dick) but it isn't because he is gay. He's touched on the subject of homosexuality for at least two decades now and has always been a strong supporter of gay rights and gay marriage.


If Brian met Morrissey in a bar I'm sure he'd waste no time buying him a pint and telling him how much he loved his early records; after all, The Gaslight Anthem were originally called This Charming Man. On the other hand I'm sure Rollins would be an absolute macho shitball. I don't care if you rip on Fallon but please don't compare him to a waste of space like Henry Rollins.

Rollins isn't a waste of space if he appeared in 'Wrong Turn 2'. Fact.


Fallon's comments about Gabel's sex change (which really depresses me, by the way, because to do that to yourself you have to have some serious issues and really hate yourself, which is sad because that guy is a great writer and a very sincere human being) are genuine. Fallon isn't a homophobe; plus Gabel was his friend and former touring partner. All Brian did was joke about how Morrissey doesn't like girls or boys. It was a joke. Christ almighty, do you have no sense of humor?

I think the answer to that one is obvious.


You should. You're ardently defending the dead-serious integrity of a guy whose Greatest Hits has his hairy asscheeks greeting whoever opens the record. He has his band take the stage in speedos and dresses. It's homoerotic and it's camp and it's because Morrissey is, and always has been, attracted to men...not exclusively, but enough to where he likes to play with the imagery. And that's fine, but don't get all pissy when a straight guy makes a silly joke about it. That doesn't make Fallon a jock or a fratboy or a homophobe. It makes him a normal guy.

*Worm inserts obligatory "there is no such thing in life as normal" quote. Feels impressed with self.*


As for your embedding of the Hand In Glove sleeve and telling me to "deal with it"...I don't have to deal with shit. Homesexuality is about as impressive to me as a 30 year old learning to ride a bicycle. I have nothing against gays per se, but they don't impress me as being rebellious or interesting based purely on their gayness. Oscar Wilde is a huge hero of mine, but it's not because he liked penises in his mouth. A lot of homosexuals, and particularly homosexual "artists" default to their sexuality to bolster their worth as intellectuals, and that's bullshit. I'm smarter than almost anyone I know and I love pussy. Love it.

I wonder what Morrissey's opinion on Oscar Wilde partaking in pederasty is?


We've spent all this time and space debating an interview that by your own admission you just now watched. You wanna know why I didn't say things in the measured, didactic way you think I should have? It's very simple. I don't talk that way. You talk that way.

But, to sum things up...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E-VhxNLE0g&feature=related

People don't like brutal honesty.

[Skylarker]

I will read through your response in depth as soon as I can but all I will say for now is that if you think Rollins has redeeming values; I'll take your word for it. I just don't like that clip of him saying he wants to set Morrissey on fire.

[nothappynotsad]

I will read through your response in depth as soon as I can but all I will say for now is that if you think Rollins has redeeming values; I'll take your word for it. I just don't like that clip of him saying he wants to set Morrissey on fire.

Morrissey is already flaming enough. What difference is a little fire going to make?

See. That was a joke.

[Skylarker]

Morrissey is already flaming enough. What difference is a little fire going to make?

See. That was a joke.


I find it alternately funny and annoying that if I typo Morrissey Solo as Morrissey Oslo in Google it pulls up his Norway massacre bullshit.

[cornelius blaze]

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[Worm]

There's nothing left to say. This thread shouldn't have existed in the first place. Totally disingenuous; textbook flamebait.

Skylarker, you're a funny, insightful, valuable member of the forum. Many people are glad you're here. You should stop the trollish behavior.

As for Brian Fallon and his bands: may he achieve rock mega-stardom, sell out stadiums until he's Bruce's age, and thank Jesus for His blessings when he's inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

It's a beautiful May day.

[CrystalGeezer]

There's nothing left to say. This thread shouldn't have existed in the first place. Totally disingenuous; textbook flamebait.

Skylarker, you're a funny, insightful, valuable member of the forum. Many people are glad you're here. You should stop the trollish behavior.

As for Brian Fallon and his bands: may he achieve rock mega-stardom, sell out stadiums until he's Bruce's age, and thank Jesus for His blessings when he's inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

It's a beautiful May day.

:clap:

[Skylarker]

There's nothing left to say. This thread shouldn't have existed in the first place. Totally disingenuous; textbook flamebait.

Skylarker, you're a funny, insightful, valuable member of the forum. Many people are glad you're here. You should stop the trollish behavior.

As for Brian Fallon and his bands: may he achieve rock mega-stardom, sell out stadiums until he's Bruce's age, and thank Jesus for His blessings when he's inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

It's a beautiful May day.

Sorry pal, it's not that easy. If I stop participating in this thread it'll be because I get bored, not because you decide that the thread has run its course.

This thread has as much right to exist as any other thread. A musician made a comment in the press about Morrissey; it's happened many times, sometimes positively and sometimes negatively, but stuff like that always gets posted here, and people discuss it, debate it, whatever. There's no reason this time should be any different. Is it of earth shattering relevance in the world of Morrissey? No. But can anything that is on the main page lately be described that way? Not usually.

I don't care whether Fallon sells millions of records or two records. I like him, and that's all I care about. I didn't make this thread to troll; I made this thread to get people talking and thinking and debating about a young musician calling an old musician, and a former influence at that, a pretentious has-been. In my starter post I said I agreed with him, and I still do. In another thread I also said I have an issue with absolutes. What that means as applied here is that while I feel Morrissey is currently, and has been for some time, out of ideas, I still feel he has the potential for greatness. I'm getting bored with the potential, though. I want to see the actual greatness. If I didn't still like Morrissey and feel great interest in his art, I wouldn't waste my time here. Only a fool would choose not to see that.

I don't mince words and if you see me as a troll, well, that means about as much to me as me calling you boring means to you. I don't really give a shit, anymore than I give a shit that you call me smart. These are just opinions. This whole forum is about opinions, and discussion, and debate, and sometimes with human beings -even intelligent ones- that gets ugly. But sometimes fighting ugly is good; it brings out the best in people.

I honestly didn't expect anyone here to agree with Fallon, much less enjoy his music. I wasn't surprised by these responses. But this thread is hands down the liveliest and most participated in on this forum in a long time, and that's what's important to me. Life. Activity. Sweat. Action. Human beings getting involved with each other and taking their minds off their shitty jobs or boring lives or horrid relationships.

I accomplished what I set out to do here, and if you can't comprehend or interpret what that is in any other descriptor than one as generic as "trolling," then that's sad.

[Anonymous]

...I made this thread to get people talking and thinking and debating about a young musician calling an old musician, and a former influence at that...

Wait, where does Fallon indicate explicitly or implicitly that Morrissey is a former influence? Fallon said that he "likes" The Smiths, but that's hardly noteworthy since that's the cool answer nowadays. Fallon also said that Morrissey has a good voice, but then again, I think Leona Lewis has got a good voice too, but she's obviously not all that. I can't recall from the video that Fallon was clear about whether Morrissey was or was not a former influence (unless I missed something). I wouldn't go so far as to say that Fallon's comments are "frat-boyish"-type, but on the other hand, I don't get the sense Morrissey has ever registered all that high on Fallon's list.

[Skylarker]

Wait, where does Fallon indicate explicitly or implicitly that Morrissey is a former influence? Fallon said that he "likes" The Smiths, but that's hardly noteworthy since that's the cool answer nowadays. Fallon also said that Morrissey has a good voice, but then again, I think Leona Lewis has got a good voice too, but she's obviously not all that. I can't recall from the video that Fallon was clear about whether Morrissey was or was not a former influence (unless I missed something). I wouldn't go so far as to say that Fallon's comments are "frat-boyish"-type, but on the other hand, I don't get the sense Morrissey has ever registered all that high on Fallon's list.

Yeah or, you know, maybe he said he liked The Smiths because they were an incredible band and their music actually meant something to him as a kid. Just because he didn't end up in his 30s debating various yobs on a Morrissey forum at midnight doesn't mean he can't have a measured appreciation of Morrissey's music.

His band was formerly called This Charming Man, and guitarist Alex Rosamilia is a Cure and Smiths obsessive.

I'm not really that keen on debating this too much longer. Fallon likes The Smiths, but has little use for Morrissey's solo output.

That's that.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, because someone on an independent label whose last album, in the first week alone, shipped 1/3 of what Morrissey's last album (on a major record label) shipped in it's entire run REALLY needs to use his name to gain attention. Right.

so record sales is your guide to quality and integrity??! interesting.
another couple of inconsequential albums and brain fuckup will disappear down the toilet of rock history. you know it, he knows it.

[King Leer]

Just thought I'd say that Rollins obviously had some kind of thing for Moz. He protested too much. "Whenever I watch November Spawned a Monster" was a giveaway, lol.

[Skylarker]

so record sales is your guide to quality and integrity??! interesting.
another couple of inconsequential albums and brain fuckup will disappear down the toilet of rock history. you know it, he knows it.

I used to front a Minneapolis-based thrash band called Brain Fuckup. We opened for Mr. Furley's Cock a few times but then we broke up because Jason the bass player's girlfriend was a TOTAL bitch.

Good times though, man. Good times.



Just thought I'd say that Rollins obviously had some kind of thing for Moz. He protested too much. "Whenever I watch November Spawned a Monster" was a giveaway, lol.

Good point...

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

Just thought I'd say that Rollins obviously had some kind of thing for Moz. He protested too much. "Whenever I watch November Spawned a Monster" was a giveaway, lol.
maybe he just watched the old "Beavis & Butthead" where they watch the video


ps: I am a bit torn about Mr Rollins, Black Flag with him as front man was the first live show I ever went to. So I, sort of, assume he is just trolling from responses when he says the shit he does...

[Worm]

ps: I am a bit torn about Mr Rollins, Black Flag with him as front man was the first live show I ever went to. So I, sort of, assume he is just trolling from responses when he says the shit he does...

Of course he is. He's a performance artist, in sprit, and he specializes in the art of confrontation. But with whom? It should be understood by anyone who has liked The Smiths and Morrissey for a long time, and had frequent run-ins with haters, that 90% of the insults hurled at Morrissey are really directed at his fans. Rollins cares more about disabusing the army of gladioli-waving dorks of their fey, Wildean illusions than he does cutting Morrissey down to size. There's a certain kind of fiery working-class crusader who hates charlatans because they influence the weak-minded; it's not about Morrissey, it's about the fool in Des Moines who walks around imitating him.

Usually you find this attitude among people who hold passionate political views (on either side of the spectrum). My favorite example from the Right is John Milius. At the end of "Conan The Barbarian", which has some similarities to the ending of "Apocalypse Now", the point of the scene is not that Conan takes his revenge by lopping off the head of the snake-god priest, Thulsa Doom, as repayment for slaughtering his parents. That's only part of it. The real point of the scene is that he does so in plain view of hundreds of the dark priest's apostles, the poor dupes and idiots who dress up in white robes and hold candlelight vigils for false gods. The charlatan has to be unmasked publicly so that his followers will snap out of their hypnotized slavery and realize he's not a deity.

For some, Morrissey is their Thulsa Doom.

[yearsofrefusal]

what an idiot morrissey does not need the smiths and never will anyway morrissey was the smiths. i used to like the gaslight anthem but he sure as hell turned me off you are either a true fan or not, he is not fit to even lick morrisseys boots, morrissey will never need to take advice of him ever.

[nothappynotsad]

Of course he is. He's a performance artist, in sprit, and he specializes in the art of confrontation. But with whom? It should be understood by anyone who has liked The Smiths and Morrissey for a long time, and had frequent run-ins with haters, that 90% of the insults hurled at Morrissey are really directed at his fans. Rollins cares more about disabusing the army of gladioli-waving dorks of their fey, Wildean illusions than he does cutting Morrissey down to size. There's a certain kind of fiery working-class crusader who hates charlatans because they influence the weak-minded; it's not about Morrissey, it's about the fool in Des Moines who walks around imitating him.

Usually you find this attitude among people who hold passionate political views (on either side of the spectrum). My favorite example from the Right is John Milius. At the end of "Conan The Barbarian", which has some similarities to the ending of "Apocalypse Now", the point of the scene is not that Conan takes his revenge by lopping off the head of the snake-god priest, Thulsa Doom, as repayment for slaughtering his parents. That's only part of it. The real point of the scene is that he does so in plain view of hundreds of the dark priest's apostles, the poor dupes and idiots who dress up in white robes and hold candlelight vigils for false gods. The charlatan has to be unmasked publicly so that his followers will snap out of their hypnotized slavery and realize he's not a deity.

For some, Morrissey is their Thulsa Doom.

Yeah, and that one scene where Arnold is crucified and then the vulture comes down to peck at him and then he kills it with his teeth...that is, like, totally a commentary on Morrissey and his critics and how he kills them with song.

[Anonymous]

Influence is all well and good, and I don't seek to tarnish the sanctity of your jerk-off sessions in your dark bedrooms while Bona Drag played on repeat, but I'd like some definitive, factual evidence that Morrissey is "better" than Brian Fallon, that Moz, objectively, deserves complete dominance over anyone else, and that Brian has no right to speak his mind. If you can't muster anything besides your opinions up, stop being supercillious dicks about it and plug your fucking mouths with a sword. You're treating Morrissey like a monarch. Last time I checked, he's not too fond of that institution.

I love Morrissey, he may in fact be my favorite musician in a while. But you guys make me ashamed to be counted in the same pool as you.

[Skylarker]

Influence is all well and good, and I don't seek to tarnish the sanctity of your jerk-off sessions in your dark bedrooms while Bona Drag played on repeat, but I'd like some definitive, factual evidence that Morrissey is "better" than Brian Fallon, that Moz, objectively, deserves complete dominance over anyone else, and that Brian has no right to speak his mind. If you can't muster anything besides your opinions up, stop being supercillious dicks about it and plug your fucking mouths with a sword. You're treating Morrissey like a monarch. Last time I checked, he's not too fond of that institution.

I love Morrissey, he may in fact be my favorite musician in a while. But you guys make me ashamed to be counted in the same pool as you.

This is an apples an oranges debate. There is no "evidence" that either of them is greater than the other, nor any need for such a thing, and that's not what this is about anyway. Different strokes for different strokes. Ask Mr. Drummond.

Brian could never write anything as refined and esoteric as Yes I Am Blind or Will Never Marry, and Morrissey could never write anything as soulful as Here Comes My Man or balls-out rocking as 45. They each do their thing and, to my ears anyway, they have done it amazingly. Brian is in his prime right now....when Morrissey was his age, so was he. This isn't a pissing contest.

The Smiths were the best band of their day and The Gaslight Anthem are the best of theirs. Morrissey's 90s solo output dwarfed almost ANYTHING that came out by any new bands that entire decade. As much as I rib Morrissey on here and, hell, as many legitimate gripes as I really do have with him, there is no one to touch the bulk of his legacy.

But variety is the spice of life and I don't need other bands I enjoy to be just like Morrissey, or approved by Morrissey, in order for me to get great joy out of what they do.

In my opinion, both Fallon and Morrissey are phenomenal masters of their craft and scribes of their times and environments, and are able to sublimate the misery and joy of the human experience into poetic, anthemic rock music...but they do it in totally different ways. Both have brought me massive joy. If forced at gunpoint to decide between Bona Drag and The '59 Sound, well, I'd have to take that bullet.

Telling people to shove swords in their mouths...man, that's just fucked up. Get a fucking grip. This forum is about opinions being "mustered up." Deal with it.

And by the way, if you're gonna use big words like 'supercilious', at least spell them correctly.

[Anonymous]

I find these comments quite ridiculous. The fact that people are saying that Brian Fallon is some unknown "twerp" when in reality The Gaslight Anthem are performing at many festivals on main stages (yes morrissey would more than likely headline them all).If Morrissey released an album under a different name, or many albums (and people didnt recognise it) would they be climbing in stature like The Gaslight Anthem, personally I dont really think so. Morrissey to begin with is regarded highly because of The Smiths, hes gone solo and people are losing intrest(as shown by a drop in record sales). I grew up listening to The Smiths (and Morrisseys solo records), and i've got to say that Morrissey isnt climbing in stature, or realeasing anything as close to the quality of what was released under The Smiths.

Brian Fallon's lyrics and music are completely different to The Smiths and Morrissey, he portrays emotion in a completely different manner, but the guy is hugely influenced by: The Clash, Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan (the list is endless, but I'll name the more famous ones) in addition to Morrissey, the fact that he regards Morrissey and he is willing to admit that he is influenced by him and then criticise him makes Brian a human, he knows that nobody is perfect, he knows that not everyone likes his music and not everyone likes Morrisseys music. Brian pours his heart into his music as does Morrissey, do you really think that mentioning Morrissey is an effort to gain listeners? And if anyone else mentions The Smiths or Morrissey are they trying to get more listeners by doing so? No they are not, they are being openly honest to everyone and saying that they are grateful for their music and have drawn inspiration from it. Brian is merely saying that he wants to hear more of the old Morrissey when he was at the top of his game, when The Smiths were together.

Different people like different things and people may argue and squabble over something like this, but in the end thats his opinion as a fellow musician. As listeners of either of them you should all be grateful that you are blessed with musicians like Morrissey and Brian, regardless of whether or not you like them.

[Skylarker]

The new Gaslight Anthem LP finally came out last week and I'm sorry to say it is not a stunner; though it does have a few really good songs. No bad songs per se, but almost half of it is filler...good filler, but filler that falls short of anything Fallon's written since 2007.

It is very similar to Years of Refusal, quality wise and production wise...some amazing songs here and there but mostly it is overcooked water treading, trying too hard to sound natural. I'm only bringing this up to show that I am not gunning for Morrissey.

Gaslight are still my favorite group hands down, second only to The Smiths, but if I find something they do to be substandard, I'll say so just as quickly as I would regarding Morrissey.

[CrystalGeezer]

The new Gaslight Anthem LP finally came out last week and I'm sorry to say it is not a stunner; though it does have a few really good songs. No bad songs per se, but almost half of it is filler...good filler, but filler that falls short of anything Fallon's written since 2007.

It is very similar to Years of Refusal, quality wise and production wise...some amazing songs here and there but mostly it is overcooked water treading, trying too hard to sound natural. I'm only bringing this up to show that I am not gunning for Morrissey.

Gaslight are still my favorite group hands down, second only to The Smiths, but if I find something they do to be substandard, I'll say so just as quickly as I would regarding Morrissey.

Awwww. You're so objective. Tell me, did you work for the railroad in a past life? Because you're really good at laying track.

[Skylarker]

Awwww. You're so objective. Tell me, did you work for the railroad in a past life? Because you're really good at laying track.

You're disgusting and friendless and you're a huge joke. You imagine you've had some moment in the sun, because you talked a lot of shit on here and got away with it, since your targets are not too well liked by the powers that be...but you're just a beached whale with a big mouth, about as clever as the turd I dropped this morning. Probably less so, actually.

I'm much smarter than you, and much more attractive, and that's how it is and that's how it will stay. Now go eat something poisonous and mind your own business. You wouldn't know the first thing about being objective when it comes to Morrissey, you masturbatory sycophantic sow.

[CrystalGeezer]

You're disgusting and friendless and you're a huge joke. You imagine you've had some moment in the sun, because you talked a lot of shit on here and got away with it, since your targets are not too well liked by the powers that be...but you're just a beached whale with a big mouth, about as clever as the turd I dropped this morning. Probably less so, actually.

I'm much smarter than you, and much more attractive, and that's how it is and that's how it will stay. Now go eat something poisonous and mind your own business. You wouldn't know the first thing about being objective when it comes to Morrissey, you masturbatory sycophantic sow.

Wow. Tell us how you really feel Skylarker. :D

[!Viva Hate!]

Wow. Tell us how you really feel Skylarker. :D

"Us" as in the voices in your head?

[CrystalGeezer]

"Us" as in the voices in your head?
How about you tell us whether you lied and took credit for hacking into the solo moderator forum to obtain personal information or you really did? Because part of me thinks you're not smart enough even though you told me you did.

[BennyCS]

I understand you posted this to share news and everything but I don't really understand why people care what any celebrity says. I adore Morrissey as much as the next person but I don't really care what he says or thinks. Brian Fallon's opinions mean just as little to me. I don't agree with what he said about Morrissey much like I don't agree with some of the stuff Moz spits out from time to time, but it doesn't bother me at all because at the end of the day, who cares?

[!Viva Hate!]

How about you tell us whether you lied and took credit for hacking into the solo moderator forum to obtain personal information or you really did? Because part of me thinks you're not smart enough even though you told me you did.

What is this insanity you're harping on about now? Does Fatima and Jesse Tobias figure into this tale as well?

Seriously, go take your Aesop's Fables and your Münchausen syndrome and move into the closest chimpanzee enclosure you can find...I'm sure you'll feel right at home flinging your own feces and having someone to eat the fleas from your mangy hair.

[CrystalGeezer]

What is this insanity you're harping on about now? Does Fatima and Jesse Tobias figure into this tale as well?

Seriously, go take your Aesop's Fables and your Münchausen syndrome and move into the closest chimpanzee enclosure you can find...I'm sure you'll feel right at home flinging your own feces and having someone to eat the fleas from your mangy hair.

You told me to my face that you hacked into solo's moderator forum. You are a conniving liar with a bizarre solo fascination.

[Skylarker]

You told me to my face that you hacked into solo's moderator forum. You are a conniving liar with a bizarre solo fascination.

Maybe he was just trying to impress you...you know, because you're so attractive.

[nothappynotsad]

You told me to my face that you hacked into solo's moderator forum. You are a conniving liar with a bizarre solo fascination.

Actually, I distinctly remember him telling you that he didn't hack solo. He told you that he doesn't even know how to hack. Either you're flat out lying or your fragile memory is quite warped, dear girl. I think you're the one with a bizarre solo fascination. You're the one so entangled in the politics of a fucking message board that you're willing to meet users face-to face under false pretenses simply to gather personal information. He knows more about Morrissey (and everything else) than you ever will, and this threatens you. Leave us alone and go back to your construction paper cut outs, will you?

[!Viva Hate!]

You told me to my face that you hacked into solo's moderator forum. You are a conniving liar with a bizarre solo fascination.

First off, I didn't tell anything to your face. When I talked to you, I looked off to the left so that I didn't spoil my lunch.

Secondly, I never claimed anything of the such.

I don't know what you hope to accomplish with saturating multiple threads with insults and lies baiting Skylarker, Nothappynotsad and myself...it won't make Morrissey, his band, his current musical output, or you any less embarrassing and it won't make any of us go away.

[CrystalGeezer]

I have no reason to lie, you brought it up at the table at Farmer's Market then proceeded to take credit for it. Now you've got your girlfriend lying for you. Classy.

[nothappynotsad]

I have no reason to lie, you brought it up at the table at Farmer's Market then proceeded to take credit for it. Now you've got your girlfriend lying for you. Classy.

WOW! I was there. I remember exactly what happened, and that most definitely did not.

[CrystalGeezer]

WOW! I was there. I remember exactly what happened, and that most definitely did not.

Do you also remember the part where after he was banned the first time he wrote David a letter saying he was reformed and married and a family man and could he please be included in the forum activities, that he was changed. What is a lie? What is real? When he logged on all those months under your user name you didn;t think it a breach of your identity? Patterns tell tales, he's a compulsive liar. He sat there and told us he hacked into solo. Now either he didn't and was taking bragging rights for it, or he did. But I just smiled and nodded and listened and thought, "This guy has some fucking issues."

[!Viva Hate!]

Do you also remember the part where after he was banned the first time he wrote David a letter saying he was reformed and married and a family man and could he please be included in the forum activities, that he was changed. What is a lie? What is real? When he logged on all those months under your user name you didn;t think it a breach of your identity? Patterns tell tales, he's a compulsive liar. He sat there and told us he hacked into solo. Now either he didn't and was taking bragging rights for it, or he did. But I just smiled and nodded and listened and thought, "This guy has some fucking issues."

How did that sentence taste on the tip of your tongue? Bitter?

[nothappynotsad]

Do you also remember the part where after he was banned the first time he wrote David a letter saying he was reformed and married and a family man and could he please be included in the forum activities, that he was changed. What is a lie? What is real? When he logged on all those months under your user name you didn;t think it a breach of your identity? Patterns tell tales, he's a compulsive liar. He sat there and told us he hacked into solo. Now either he didn't and was taking bragging rights for it, or he did. But I just smiled and nodded and listened and thought, "This guy has some fucking issues."

Well, he was married and then I came along and he threw the wife and kids to the curb. I don't feel bad about it or anything (she had let herself go). Okay, before you start to whine about lies, please note that was a joke. Clearly you have difficulty distinguishing between jokes and lies. I assure you, there is a difference. If you think that he would lie to your face or brag about something, you don't know him at all. In reality, he is the most modest and soft spoken person I have ever met. You even commented on this fact yourself. I don't know what you're talking about as far as a breach of my identity goes. I have an identity that exists outside of the internet; your argument is invalid. Oh, so you thought that he had issues when he was telling you a story (that he didn't actually tell)? That is why you thought he had issues? Really? The museum of death did nothing for you? You know, I accidentally grazed you a few times. Next you'll accuse me of being a rapist or something equally absurd. In summary, fuck right off.

[CrystalGeezer]

How did that sentence taste on the tip of your tongue? Bitter?

Look. I know you think you have some leverage because you are having sex with a girl which is kind of a big deal for you, but it's not going to work. Remember back when Skylarker pulled the PROVE IT stunt with YOU and demanded you prove you flew to California before to hook up with your gentle giant and the WHOLE DAY we had to be careful what we said online and orchestrate facebook comments and pretend it was your second visit when it was actually your first. You go to impressive lengths to cover up your lies. And I don;t know why. It's so much easier just to tell the truth and be cool, but no, you gotta be the bully dickhead looking for a snigger and in the process you hurt people's feelings and run them off.

[CrystalGeezer]

Well, he was married and then I came along and he threw the wife and kids to the curb. I don't feel bad about it or anything (she had let herself go). Okay, before you start to whine about lies, please note that was a joke. Clearly you have difficulty distinguishing between jokes and lies. I assure you, there is a difference. If you think that he would lie to your face or brag about something, you don't know him at all. In reality, he is the most modest and soft spoken person I have ever met. You even commented on this fact yourself. I don't know what you're talking about as far as a breach of my identity goes. I have an identity that exists outside of the internet; your argument is invalid. Oh, so you thought that he had issues when he was telling you a story (that he didn't actually tell)? That is why you thought he had issues? Really? The museum of death did nothing for you? You know, I accidentally grazed you a few times. Next you'll accuse me of being a rapist or something equally absurd. In summary, fuck right off.

You took his virginity! :squiffy:

[nothappynotsad]

You took his virginity! :squiffy:

And Barney took yours.

[CrystalGeezer]

And Barney took yours.

Actually a boy named Ian did. It was a lovely day.

[!Viva Hate!]

Actually a boy named Ian did. It was a lovely day.

What species was he?

[CrystalGeezer]

What species was he?

Good question.

[nothappynotsad]

gentle giant

Seriously?

[!Viva Hate!]

Seriously?

Consider the source...the lovechild of Bruce Vilanch and Danny DeVito.

[CrystalGeezer]

Seriously?

I think it's kinda cool, actually. You slouch to hide it but your presence is commanding. You could, in real life, kick ANYBODY'S ass on here and anywhere else. You should own it.

[nothappynotsad]

I think it's kinda cool, actually. You slouch to hide it but your presence is commanding. You could, in real life, kick ANYBODY'S ass on here and anywhere else. You should own it.

You're trying to push my buttons, but I won't let you. You're pathetic, small and alone. I'm tall and I'm happy with my life. I don't live in a fantasy, I'm full of love and you may never know the feeling because you're too busy obsessing over signs and chasing ghosts.

[Lionel]

You took his virginity! :squiffy:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KI9gcT8Agi4/TT4MC6D1BzI/AAAAAAAABAM/Vh6R3qmYgV0/s1600/snooki_whore.gif


And Barney took yours.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lst30msavF1r3v6f2o1_500.gif

[Lionel]

What species was he?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e144/Michaelsclub7/Ihatechu.gif


Good question.

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[Lionel]

You're disgusting and friendless and you're a huge joke. You imagine you've had some moment in the sun, because you talked a lot of shit on here and got away with it, since your targets are not too well liked by the powers that be...but you're just a beached whale with a big mouth, about as clever as the turd I dropped this morning. Probably less so, actually.

I'm much smarter than you, and much more attractive, and that's how it is and that's how it will stay. Now go eat something poisonous and mind your own business. You wouldn't know the first thing about being objective when it comes to Morrissey, you masturbatory sycophantic sow.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1k89z0Q461qijq1xo1_400.gif

[Lionel]

Consider the source...the lovechild of Bruce Vilanch and Danny DeVito.

http://medias.omgif.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/uglybitch.gif

[Lionel]

Consider the source...the lovechild of Bruce Vilanch and Danny DeVito.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e144/Michaelsclub7/Thisisme.gif

[Lionel]

gentle giant

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4306pOhjQ1rw0kteo1_400.gif


Seriously?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m49ebxXxti1qaey9wo1_500.gif

[Lionel]

"Us" as in the voices in your head?


Maybe he was just trying to impress you...you know, because you're so attractive.


Leave us alone and go back to your construction paper cut outs, will you?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls401s1nlj1r317bvo1_250.gif


Actually a boy named Ian did. It was a lovely day.

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxoaovJpiY1r5gvg1o1_400.gif

[Lionel]

I'm much smarter than you, and much more attractive, and that's how it is and that's how it will stay.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m58g3zWVFx1rrhe80o1_400.gif



Now go eat something poisonous and mind your own business. You wouldn't know the first thing about being objective when it comes to Morrissey, you masturbatory sycophantic sow.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m44xm8yt4A1qiouqvo1_500.gif

[Lionel]

because you're too busy obsessing over signs and chasing ghosts.

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz6/raeraymusic/GIF/tumblr_m575nueFsC1rxgpxco1_500.gif

[Lionel]

Look. I know you think you have some leverage because you are having sex with a girl which is kind of a big deal for you, but it's not going to work. Remember back when Skylarker pulled the PROVE IT stunt with YOU and demanded you prove you flew to California before to hook up with your gentle giant and the WHOLE DAY we had to be careful what we said online and orchestrate facebook comments and pretend it was your second visit when it was actually your first. You go to impressive lengths to cover up your lies. And I don;t know why. It's so much easier just to tell the truth and be cool, but no, you gotta be the bully dickhead looking for a snigger and in the process you hurt people's feelings and run them off.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5l59vgyGG1r0tmhfo1_400.gif

[Lionel]

Consider the source...the lovechild of Bruce Vilanch and Danny DeVito.

http://i45.tinypic.com/rcm0rp.gif

[Skylarker]

Look. I know you think you have some leverage because you are having sex with a girl which is kind of a big deal for you, but it's not going to work. Remember back when Skylarker pulled the PROVE IT stunt with YOU and demanded you prove you flew to California before to hook up with your gentle giant and the WHOLE DAY we had to be careful what we said online and orchestrate facebook comments and pretend it was your second visit when it was actually your first. You go to impressive lengths to cover up your lies. And I don;t know why. It's so much easier just to tell the truth and be cool, but no, you gotta be the bully dickhead looking for a snigger and in the process you hurt people's feelings and run them off.

The one thing you are failing to convey by bringing up all that bullshit is that deep down, my entire motivation was to fight Viva Hate. I never cared whether he and Lindsey really had or really had not met up in person. I pushed him because I knew he would fight back. That's why I don't care about the comments he made about my kid...it was a battle of wits. I knew that every time I pushed him, he'd push back harder, and I'd be challenged. And so on and so forth. The relationship thing of theirs was just a platform, I never gave a fuck really.

It's interesting that you have now mentioned that period multiple times, and in this particular case you admittedly include yourself in the ruse, even as you accuse him of compulsively lying. But, it never had anything to do with you. Very little on this site does. It was, like I said, a kind of sparring match between me and him, in which you were, at best, a spectator.

Listen to you, now..bringing up things he told you, or supposedly told you, in confidence, outside of this forum...you're just desperate and sad. You've threatened to publicly post my correspondence (out of context, I'm sure)...would you like some of your correspondence posted? Does that seem right to you? Are those the ethics you feel confident in operating under?

A few months ago, you were on all our Facebook pages. Facebook means very little to me, but my point is, we were amicable with each other. Yeah, we've taken potshots at each other on here from time to time, but I want to know what the hell happened to get you all Dylan Klebold on our asses. And again, during the time you bring up, you not only ardently defended Viva and NHNS's relationship, but you defended them as people, as well. And you even just now admitted to help covering up a ruse for them.

There's no reason to bring up a comment he supposedly made about hacking into the mod's forum. For one thing, you can't prove he said that; for another, that's a petty and cheap thing to do, even if he DID say it.

How far do you want to take this? Shall we all piss each other off so egregiously that we all get infractions and bans? I work my ass off, have two kids, a girlfriend, all that crap. I like posting here, and I think it's a great site, but I would not kill myself if I got banned. As for Viva and NHNS, I spoke to them regularly after the fake Refusal demos fiasco and the only emotion they showed was amusement. They had each other, they had their lives, jobs, school, all that stuff. Not once, not ONCE, did I ever hear any of them express lament or anger at being banned from here.

But you...I mean, what else do you have? You say Viva is obsessed with Solo, but he's not the one with 18,000 posts and 40 blog entries. And you've been here less time than he has, especially considering his banned periods. How do you explain this accusation, that he is obsessed with Solo? I think that if anyone is tied to Solo, it's you. I think if you got banned, you'd jump off a cliff.

But by all means keep it up, because in your lonely, empty little life, this continued aggression brings you a feeling of accomplishment and power. This Gaslight Anthem thing is a perfect example...my post had NOTHING to do with you, but you can't let your little bitchfit go. Just drop it.

Or keep it up, either way, but I am now formally asking you to just drop this and leave well enough alone. If you do, I will. Post in Frink, or in your sign threads that everyone laughs at. Do what you do well, and let's all be cool.

If you keep this up, I'm going to lose my temper and compromise my principles. Publicly.

Just remember, you're not the only troll here, baby.

[Skylarker]

Looks like our friend Lionel enjoys gifs!

But judging on the ones pop culture references he uses...he's kind of like the Dollar Store version of Cornelius Blaze.

[!Viva Hate!]

Looks like our friend Lionel enjoys gifs!

But judging on the ones pop culture references he uses...he's kind of like the Dollar Store version of Cornelius Blaze.

Or kinda like Piccadilly Jim.

[Skylarker]

Or kinda like Piccadilly Jim.

You mean that really, really shitty singer guy?

[CrystalGeezer]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4306pOhjQ1rw0kteo1_400.gif



This is wrong. She's not giant fat, she's fit. She's very tall. And I do admire it, I'm not trolling you. It's really fucking cool.

[CrystalGeezer]

The one thing you are failing to convey by bringing up all that bullshit is that deep down, my entire motivation was to fight Viva Hate. I never cared whether he and Lindsey really had or really had not met up in person. I pushed him because I knew he would fight back. That's why I don't care about the comments he made about my kid...it was a battle of wits. I knew that every time I pushed him, he'd push back harder, and I'd be challenged. And so on and so forth. The relationship thing of theirs was just a platform, I never gave a fuck really.

It's interesting that you have now mentioned that period multiple times, and in this particular case you admittedly include yourself in the ruse, even as you accuse him of compulsively lying. But, it never had anything to do with you. Very little on this site does. It was, like I said, a kind of sparring match between me and him, in which you were, at best, a spectator.

Listen to you, now..bringing up things he told you, or supposedly told you, in confidence, outside of this forum...you're just desperate and sad. You've threatened to publicly post my correspondence (out of context, I'm sure)...would you like some of your correspondence posted? Does that seem right to you? Are those the ethics you feel confident in operating under?

A few months ago, you were on all our Facebook pages. Facebook means very little to me, but my point is, we were amicable with each other. Yeah, we've taken potshots at each other on here from time to time, but I want to know what the hell happened to get you all Dylan Klebold on our asses. And again, during the time you bring up, you not only ardently defended Viva and NHNS's relationship, but you defended them as people, as well. And you even just now admitted to help covering up a ruse for them.

There's no reason to bring up a comment he supposedly made about hacking into the mod's forum. For one thing, you can't prove he said that; for another, that's a petty and cheap thing to do, even if he DID say it.

How far do you want to take this? Shall we all piss each other off so egregiously that we all get infractions and bans? I work my ass off, have two kids, a girlfriend, all that crap. I like posting here, and I think it's a great site, but I would not kill myself if I got banned. As for Viva and NHNS, I spoke to them regularly after the fake Refusal demos fiasco and the only emotion they showed was amusement. They had each other, they had their lives, jobs, school, all that stuff. Not once, not ONCE, did I ever hear any of them express lament or anger at being banned from here.

But you...I mean, what else do you have? You say Viva is obsessed with Solo, but he's not the one with 18,000 posts and 40 blog entries. And you've been here less time than he has, especially considering his banned periods. How do you explain this accusation, that he is obsessed with Solo? I think that if anyone is tied to Solo, it's you. I think if you got banned, you'd jump off a cliff.

But by all means keep it up, because in your lonely, empty little life, this continued aggression brings you a feeling of accomplishment and power. This Gaslight Anthem thing is a perfect example...my post had NOTHING to do with you, but you can't let your little bitchfit go. Just drop it.

Or keep it up, either way, but I am now formally asking you to just drop this and leave well enough alone. If you do, I will. Post in Frink, or in your sign threads that everyone laughs at. Do what you do well, and let's all be cool.

If you keep this up, I'm going to lose my temper and compromise my principles. Publicly.

Just remember, you're not the only troll here, baby.

Wow. You're little insistence on your personal solo bond is sad, considering you have a real family you could connect to, but they don't buy your non-sequitor intelligence do they? You secret wit and beauty that only your solo friends relate to. Facebook means a lot to you. You deleted me and asked for my friendship back TWICE. Like a sad child. You are a child wearing old soul clothing. Onl a child would lack the empathy to use his OWN child as ammo in a message board conversation. That is because your child is your wife's problem, not yours, you just gotta let lose and be free, be irresponsible. Because that's who you are, isn't it? And only pathetic liars recognize that. I'm just the fucking schizo making 20-posts-a-day of connections here, what is your excuse?

[Skylarker]

Wow. You're little insistence on your personal solo bond is sad, considering you have a real family you could connect to, but they don't buy your non-sequitor intelligence do they? You secret wit and beauty that only your solo friends relate to. Facebook means a lot to you. You deleted me and asked for my friendship back TWICE. Like a sad child. You are a child wearing old soul clothing. Onl a child would lack the empathy to use his OWN child as ammo in a message board conversation. That is because your child is your wife's problem, not yours, you just gotta let lose and be free, be irresponsible. Because that's who you are, isn't it? And only pathetic liars recognize that. I'm just the fucking schizo making 20-posts-a-day of connections here, what is your excuse?

I deleted many people from my Facebook, not just you. I deleted the people I had very little contact with. Some were very good friends, but whom I didn't deal with much on Facebook. I don't remember begging for your friendship back (that's a laugh), much less twice, as the FB thing was your idea to begin with (shall I post the PM you sent me here about it?), but if I did, I was probably just feeling guilty, or being friendly because I knew you were fragile and I did not want to offend you.

Your comments about my relationship with my son are not only unfounded, but frankly they are absurd. You have no idea what you are talking about. Plain and simple. He is not my "wife's" problem, you stupid moron. I am not even married to her. I could leave any time I wanted to; last year she even had a lawyer cancel the child support order that came with my paternity acknowledgment BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH MONEY I WILLINGLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOUSEHOLD. I have never cheated on her, I don't go out at night, and I am the first person my son sees EVERY DAY. You are truly a piece of shit to even suggest such things, with no evidence.

I have stood by that kid from Day 1. It has not always been easy. His illness is as real to me as anything in the world. I work my ass off...I'd love to "let loose and be free." You have no idea, no clue how hard I work to keep him healthy and taken care of, not only regarding his illness but in general. Your comment has no basis in fact, no evidence to hold it up AT ALL. Offensive and stupid doesn't cover it. You're just an idiot. You're a clown, talking out of your hideous, acne-marked ass.

I'm not gonna explain the picture thing because you're gonna think what you want to think. Is the picture there now? No. So shut up, fatty. Who was hurt by it being there? Who? Nobody. So, again, shut up. It affected NOTHING and NOBODY. Get a life, you goddamned baby. I posted a picture of my son having therapy. I don't care. I was making a point. I'd do it again. Deal with it, oinker.

And I don't think you're a schizo, I just think you're a fat, desperate dumbass, making shit up as you go along. I'm sorry that men have no interest in you; that doesn't make all of us assholes.

[CrystalGeezer]

I deleted many people from my Facebook, not just you. I deleted the people I had very little contact with. Some were very good friends, but whom I didn't deal with much on Facebook. I don't remember begging for your friendship back (that's a laugh), much less twice, as the FB thing was your idea to begin with (shall I post the PM you sent me here about it?), but if I did, I was probably just feeling guilty, or being friendly because I knew you were fragile and I did not want to offend you.

Your comments about my relationship with my son are not only unfounded, but frankly they are absurd. You have no idea what you are talking about. Plain and simple. He is not my "wife's" problem, you stupid moron. I am not even married to her. I could leave any time I wanted to; last year she even had a lawyer cancel the child support order that came with my paternity acknowledgment BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH MONEY I WILLINGLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOUSEHOLD. I have never cheated on her, I don't go out at night, and I am the first person my son sees EVERY DAY. You are truly a piece of shit to even suggest such things, with no evidence.

I have stood by that kid from Day 1. It has not always been easy. His illness is as real to me as anything in the world. I work my ass off...I'd love to "let loose and be free." You have no idea, no clue how hard I work to keep him healthy and taken care of, not only regarding his illness but in general. Your comment has no basis in fact, no evidence to hold it up AT ALL. Offensive and stupid doesn't cover it. You're just an idiot. You're a clown, talking out of your hideous, acne-marked ass.

I'm not gonna explain the picture thing because you're gonna think what you want to think. Is the picture there now? No. So shut up, fatty. Who was hurt by it being there? Who? Nobody. So, again, shut up. It affected NOTHING and NOBODY. Get a life, you goddamned baby. I posted a picture of my son having therapy. I don't care. I was making a point. I'd do it again. Deal with it, oinker.

And I don't think you're a schizo, I just think you're a fat, desperate dumbass, making shit up as you go along. I'm sorry that men have no interest in you; that doesn't make all of us assholes.

Hilarious. :D Please call me a pig one more time. PLEASE.

[CrystalGeezer]

Also, Could you maybe couple the calling me a pig thing with telling me you feel sorry for me? Just throwing that out there. kthx. :thumb:

[Anonymous]

More like Brain Failed-On of the Ass to Mouth Anthem.

[Mozzersmandan]

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y so serious guise

[BrummieBoy]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m58g3zWVFx1rrhe80o1_400.gif



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So, this is where 'MySpace' lives on with similar high-level repartee and 'interesting' jpegs/gifs: it's like being trapped in Santa's grotto on acid. A place where Gore Vidal's death is 'off-topic' with regard to Morrissey, even though Morrissey cribbed Vidal just as studiously as he did Wilde.

I guess if your 'social narcissism' leads you to imagine you have some flair and dexterity with language, yet 'in real life' you are treated with disdain by those who legitimately lay claim to such prowess: then this site / asylum / rehab facility may be some consolation. :straightface:

Clueless, belligerent wannabe Alphas who are just silly chump-chimpanzees attempting self-esteem and social prestige through ineffectual insults. I imagine the average age of denizens on these forums is the same as what was likely during my-waste-of-space's heyday. That would be about 14 to 17 years old max.

"Look at me! Look at me! I like Morrissey. That must make me 'cool', surely?":cool:

"Not at cool at me, dude cuz I hate Moz to the max, and my obscure band is, like, WAAAAAAAY cooler than Moz than that to-bo Kris Teen!!!!!!!!!" :guitar:

Frank Zappa could never have imagined when he wrote 'Valley Girls' that one day the entire landscape of modern culture would be subjected to its' cacophanous din....

[cue sociopath scramble for spelling / grammatical faux-pax. "leave them in Sharon, throw the chimps some peanuts"]

LOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This place is MAJOR-LY FUN! I wonder if Victoria Beckham's fan site is as good as this? I won't waste any more time on Perez Hilton now I now where the real goss is dished. Totally WOW! like WOW!!!!! AMAAAAAAAAAAZZZINNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!! MORE LOLZ!!!!!!!!

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can't be arsed to r-size it, man! I CAN HAZ CHEEZBURGER!!!! me SO funny s'not true, innit mt8's. sick, bro! wicked! dubstep Moz comin at ya in 2013 y'know?

'BrummieBoy' is, like, gonna bee SOOOOO impressed with this! I know i'm just an intern and he gave me 'policy guidelines' for acting on his behalf, but hey! fc-uk it, y'all!!!! i'm on a caffiene buzz, he's bitch-slappin Merkel and Monti in Berlin....he'll wont' notice this cuz i've put these losers on 'IGNORE LIST' as in #TOTAL FAIL!!!!!!! yay!!!!!!!!!!

no more of that crap about Gore Vidal and all that inteleectual / illooominati crap BrummieBoys always lecturing us about. THIS! tHIS SI tha reeel deal!!!!!

i have SO missed MYSpACE!!!!!!!!!! Now i've found a mini-me my space with all these RADICAL peeps. So long as BrummieBoy don't figure out how to work this forum :eek:and has to delegate the typin n' shit 2 me......!!!!!! it's mental! ABSOLUTELY MENTAL!! EXPONENTIALLY LOLS LULZ FUNNEEZ!!!!!

Sharon McCormick - Secretary to 'BrummieBoy'

http://www.secretarythemovie.co.uk/html/trailer.html

featuring 'BrummieBoy' as Mr E Edward Grey
and Sharon McCormick as Lee Holloway


#klutzymozfansFAIL! FAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!! more lol! [yawn]

[Peterb]

So, this is where 'MySpace' lives on with similar high-level repartee and 'interesting' jpegs/gifs: it's like being trapped in Santa's grotto on acid. A place where Gore Vidal's death is 'off-topic' with regard to Morrissey, even though Morrissey cribbed Vidal just as studiously as he did Wilde.

I guess if your 'social narcissism' leads you to imagine you have some flair and dexterity with language, yet 'in real life' you are treated with disdain by those who legitimately lay claim to such prowess: then this site / asylum / rehab facility may be some consolation. :straightface:

Clueless, belligerent wannabe Alphas who are just silly chump-chimpanzees attempting self-esteem and social prestige through ineffectual insults. I imagine the average age of denizens on these forums is the same as what was likely during my-waste-of-space's heyday. That would be about 14 to 17 years old max.

"Look at me! Look at me! I like Morrissey. That must make me 'cool', surely?":cool:

"Not at cool at me, dude cuz I hate Moz to the max, and my obscure band is, like, WAAAAAAAY cooler than Moz than that to-bo Kris Teen!!!!!!!!!" :guitar:

Frank Zappa could never have imagined when he wrote 'Valley Girls' that one day the entire landscape of modern culture would be subjected to its' cacophanous din....

[cue sociopath scramble for spelling / grammatical faux-pax. "leave them in Sharon, throw the chimps some peanuts"]

LOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This place is MAJOR-LY FUN! I wonder if Victoria Beckham's fan site is as good as this? I won't waste any more time on Perez Hilton now I now where the real goss is dished. Totally WOW! like WOW!!!!! AMAAAAAAAAAAZZZINNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!! MORE LOLZ!!!!!!!!

13795

can't be arsed to r-size it, man! I CAN HAZ CHEEZBURGER!!!! me SO funny s'not true, innit mt8's. sick, bro! wicked! dubstep Moz comin at ya in 2013 y'know?

'BrummieBoy' is, like, gonna bee SOOOOO impressed with this! I know i'm just an intern and he gave me 'policy guidelines' for acting on his behalf, but hey! fc-uk it, y'all!!!! i'm on a caffiene buzz, he's bitch-slappin Merkel and Monti in Berlin....he'll wont' notice this cuz i've put these losers on 'IGNORE LIST' as in #TOTAL FAIL!!!!!!! yay!!!!!!!!!!

no more of that crap about Gore Vidal and all that inteleectual / illooominati crap BrummieBoys always lecturing us about. THIS! tHIS SI tha reeel deal!!!!!

i have SO missed MYSpACE!!!!!!!!!! Now i've found a mini-me my space with all these RADICAL peeps. So long as BrummieBoy don't figure out how to work this forum :eek:and has to delegate the typin n' shit 2 me......!!!!!! it's mental! ABSOLUTELY MENTAL!! EXPONENTIALLY LOLS LULZ FUNNEEZ!!!!!

Sharon McCormick - Secretary to 'BrummieBoy'

http://www.secretarythemovie.co.uk/html/trailer.html

featuring 'BrummieBoy' as Mr E Edward Grey
and Sharon McCormick as Lee Holloway


#klutzymozfansFAIL! FAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!! more lol! [yawn].

Hey BrummieBoy, this is quite a construct you have built for this site. It sure looks like a lot of work. I hope it's worth it.
Please don't put me in your 'ignore' list for this as no offence is intended, also I like your posts and hope to engage in debate and discussion in the future.

[BrummieBoy]

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Hey BrummieBoy, this is quite a construct you have built for this site. It sure looks like a lot of work. I hope it's worth it.
Please don't put me in your 'ignore' list for this as no offence is intended, also I like your posts and hope to engage in debate and discussion in the future.

no problemo PeterB!

it's going to take quite a lot of effort but I'm hopeful Artangel will give me funding and resources for the full-scale 'Operation Morrissey-Solo: Revenge of the Art Hound'. Today, I'm working on the 'superslow' Moz tracks to soundtrack the project just like the Justin Bieber '800 times slower' genius remixes:

Justin Bieber apocalypse! (800% slower Justin Bieber - U smile)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0RqzP_N2Ps

We can't agree a suitable track. Sharon, my 'secretary' suggested suggested 'The Teachers Are Scared....' saying it was already 800 times slower and longer than it should be. We'll be using this 'superslow so-low' track for the 'Morrissey Memorial' which we will base on Longplayer.

http://www.artangel.org.uk/projects/2000/longplayer

This site will form part of the 'time capsule' so that Morrissey is still 'alive' when the next Mayan Long Count ends in 36,000 years. Hope to finish @20:12, 20/12, 2012, but if it takes til 2021 that's fine too.

regards.

ps: if i disappear it's cuz another 'art hound' project got the funding / nod from Artangel.

[Iona Mink]

no problemo PeterB!

it's going to take quite a lot of effort but I'm hopeful Artangel will give me funding and resources for the full-scale 'Operation Morrissey-Solo: Revenge of the Art Hound'. Today, I'm working on the 'superslow' Moz tracks to soundtrack the project just like the Justin Bieber '800 times slower' genius remixes:

Justin Bieber apocalypse! (800% slower Justin Bieber - U smile)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0RqzP_N2Ps

We can't agree a suitable track. Sharon, my 'secretary' suggested suggested 'The Teachers Are Scared....' saying it was already 800 times slower and longer than it should be. We'll be using this 'superslow so-low' track for the 'Morrissey Memorial' which we will base on Longplayer.

http://www.artangel.org.uk/projects/2000/longplayer

This site will form part of the 'time capsule' so that Morrissey is still 'alive' when the next Mayan Long Count ends in 36,000 years. Hope to finish @20:12, 20/12, 2012, but if it takes til 2021 that's fine too.

regards.

ps: if i disappear it's cuz another 'art hound' project got the funding / nod from Artangel.

I'm interested to know what are the next steps for MW given the pronouncement that it would shut down if it didn't get at least one of the nine scavenger hunt items in the last two shows.

[MozRecording]

I'm interested to know what are the next steps for MW given the pronouncement that it would shut down if it didn't get at least one of the nine scavenger hunt items in the last two shows.

They tweeted a few hours ago that they were shutting it down after one final post. Find that hard to believe though.

[peptastic]

If the ability to get over something was easy for people to do they would have gotten over it probably before someone said so. Though Morrissey is impressive. I can be known to hold a grudge but only until someone else pisses me off.
I quote Moz' "I bare more grudges than lonely highcourt judges" as my reason for not living and letting live.

Though Cordelia's advice to Buffy to spank her inner moffit is probably the best form of getting over it I've ever heard.
That might convince Moz to reform the smiths?
[It's from the When she was Bad episode season 2 episode 1. Lovely]

[Mozza220559]

Tek yer tampon out Skylarker and put another in.

[BrummieBoy]

I'm interested to know what are the next steps for MW given the pronouncement that it would shut down if it didn't get at least one of the nine scavenger hunt items in the last two shows.

Why are you quoting me in relation to 'Morrissey's World-blogspot'? :straightface:

'So goodbye my love till then
Till the white rose blooms again

The summer days are ending in the valley
And soon the time will come when we must be apart
Now you must start you journey to the sailing
And leave me till another spring-time comes around

Till the white rose blooms again
You must leave me, leave me lonely
So goodbye my love till then
Till the white rose blooms again

Till the white rose blooms again
You must leave me, leave me lonely
So goodbye my love till then
Till the white rose blooms again

The cotton leaves are falling in the valley
And soon the winter snow will lie on the ground
But like the rose that comes back with the springtime
You will return to me when springtime comes around

Till the white rose blooms again
You must leave me, leave me lonely
So goodbye my love till then
Till the white rose blooms again

Goodbye till then
Goodbye till then'



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WoXaFZpcDY

Thanks for all the messages of support everyone! :lbf:


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[Iona Mink]

Why are you quoting me in relation to 'Morrissey's World-blogspot'? :straightface:


Oh. Did I?

[Skylarker]

Hilarious. :D Please call me a pig one more time. PLEASE.

I'd rather not run the risk of making the swine population feel any worse than they already do.



More like Brain Failed-On of the Ass to Mouth Anthem.

Wow, what a towering wit you have. Don Rickles would be dumbstruck with envy.



Tek yer tampon out Skylarker and put another in.

How long did that insult take to post, given your preferred typing method?

http://images.wikia.com/goodhockey/images/2/23/Retard_at_a_keyboard.gif

[CrystalGeezer]

I'd rather not run the risk of making the swine population feel any worse than they already do.


Perfect! :flowers: God, I couldn't write this stuff if I tried.

[Iona Mink]

I beg you Crystal. Put an apple in it ok?

[!Viva Hate!]

I beg you Crystal. Put an apple in it ok?

???
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/3682501987_59369d94c1.jpg

[Skylarker]

???
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/3682501987_59369d94c1.jpg

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

oh...oh my Christ...oh god you're awesome...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[CrystalGeezer]

http://thehungergames2012.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/tumblr_lzriixg6vc1qhg3f9o2_250.gif

[Skylarker]

http://thehungergames2012.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/tumblr_lzriixg6vc1qhg3f9o2_250.gif

Oh, I get it. You feel you would like to stuff the apple somewhere other than your mouth, since nothing else ever goes there.

Perfectly understandable.

[Thesmithsmorrissey]

Wow

I walk away from this thread for a week and it becomes inflated with hilarity. Viva Hate, Skylarker and nothappynotsad vs. CrystalGeezer FUCK THE WORLD!!!1!

The reason this thread continues is because the war of words between you four is the most engaging thing on the forums right now. Some of you actually met up, at a Farmer's Market, and talked shop about Morrissey-solo? That's priceless. I'm not being condescending either; really, I'm not

Had a listen to 'Handwritten' in a record store the other night. It wasn't terrible but it's not my bag. They sound like too many of their influences, tbh. The Smiths -- and Morrissey on his own -- never sounded like a hybrid of their influences the way these guys do. Aping the Clash and Springsteen isn't the worst choice of influences, but it's not wholly original either. And that's what I heard: a dude who sounded like he was trying to be Springsteen fronting the Clash

Gosh...this thread is fucking priceless! I had more than a few laughs, sorry. I'm going back for another read. So-low drama at its spiciest! Lolz

[!Viva Hate!]

Some of you actually met up, at a Farmer's Market, and talked shop about Morrissey-solo? That's priceless. I'm not being condescending either; really, I'm not

None of that was any thanks to my wishes...

[Thesmithsmorrissey]

how did stuff get so hostile between the four of you?

[!Viva Hate!]

how did stuff get so hostile between the four of you?

Who knows? When you're dealing with a schizophrenic, I imagine their feelings change more often than their underwear...and in Geezer's case, I imagine that is particularly true.

But who cares, really? I don't...

[CrystalGeezer]

Some of you actually met up, at a Farmer's Market, and talked shop about Morrissey-solo? That's priceless. I'm not being condescending either; really, I'm not



Actually, it wasn't my idea either, it was nothappynotsad's. So Viva's coming into town for the first time to meet his solo fling on a plane from Florida compliment's of dad who's probably just relieved his son is talking to a real live girl. Nothappynotsad contacts me and says "We should have lunch!" I'm slightly curious about him because he'd been a Class A asshole to several people, I wanted to "meet a troll," but I didn't think it was going to happen. So Viva contact's me and says "Heyyyyy, I was thinking we could have lunch. How about on such-and-such a day, maybe around...12:30? Would that work for you?" That such-and-such a day was the day his plane landed at LAX at NOON. The little weasle was trying to "work out" a way of having me pick his ass up at the airport without asking. I said that it didn't work for me because I was housesitting in Upland which is forever away from LA. When it turned out I couldn't pick him up at the airport, he had no interest in having lunch. Not being an awesome communicator with his GIRLFRIEND, she contacts me and says "Hey, what day do you want to have lunch?" I said Viva already asked and she had zero idea that he was swindling a ride. I learned later that he was doing that because she didn;t have a driver's license and didn;t know how to drive a car and he was afraid of taking a bus or train because he has a fear of "basic brown types." That's my theory why he hates Jesse, he hates Mexicans. Anyway, one thing lead to another and I meet them a few days later at union Station. The plan was to pick them up and go to lunch. They come out of the train station eating a fucking Wetzel's pretzel. :squiffy: Viva had never been in LA, it was his birthday so I took him to touristy Farmer's Market, then Cat & Fiddle, showed them Sweetzer, like the classic Morrissey spots (except Farmer's, I just dig that place.) Then nothappynotsad channeled her inner 13-year-old and wanted to go to the Museum of Death. Viva and I wanted to sit in the car but we went along and looked at manson videos and baby caskets. Then I drove them ALL THE WAY THE FUCK TO LONG BEACH because they were afraid to ride on the train at night. :straightface: And the thanks I get is that he starts trolling me here. Nothappynotsad is cool, her BF? Not so much. We talked about solo a bit, mostly about how much of a D-bag Skylarker is, moving in on their relationship or something, I dunno. I brought my dog as a wingman in case it got so unbearable I could say "Oh, dear, I gotta get Barney home." It never got that unbearable, when he's not lying and scheming, he was good company. Kind of a homophobe. And racist. But funny. Whatevs.

[Anonymous]

Actually, it wasn't my idea either, it was nothappynotsad's. So Viva's coming into town for the first time to meet his solo fling on a plane from Florida compliment's of dad who's probably just relieved his son is talking to a real live girl. Nothappynotsad contacts me and says "We should have lunch!" I'm slightly curious about him because he'd been a Class A asshole to several people, I wanted to "meet a troll," but I didn't think it was going to happen. So Viva contact's me and says "Heyyyyy, I was thinking we could have lunch. How about on such-and-such a day, maybe around...12:30? Would that work for you?" That such-and-such a day was the day his plane landed at LAX at NOON. The little weasle was trying to "work out" a way of having me pick his ass up at the airport without asking. I said that it didn't work for me because I was housesitting in Upland which is forever away from LA. When it turned out I couldn't pick him up at the airport, he had no interest in having lunch. Not being an awesome communicator with his GIRLFRIEND, she contacts me and says "Hey, what day do you want to have lunch?" I said Viva already asked and she had zero idea that he was swindling a ride. I learned later that he was doing that because she didn;t have a driver's license and didn;t know how to drive a car and he was afraid of taking a bus or train because he has a fear of "basic brown types." That's my theory why he hates Jesse, he hates Mexicans. Anyway, one thing lead to another and I meet them a few days later at union Station. The plan was to pick them up and go to lunch. They come out of the train station eating a fucking Wetzel's pretzel. :squiffy: Viva had never been in LA, it was his birthday so I took him to touristy Farmer's Market, then Cat & Fiddle, showed them Sweetzer, like the classic Morrissey spots (except Farmer's, I just dig that place.) Then nothappynotsad channeled her inner 13-year-old and wanted to go to the Museum of Death. Viva and I wanted to sit in the car but we went along and looked at manson videos and baby caskets. Then I drove them ALL THE WAY THE FUCK TO LONG BEACH because they were afraid to ride on the train at night. :straightface: And the thanks I get is that he starts trolling me here. Nothappynotsad is cool, her BF? Not so much. We talked about solo a bit, mostly about how much of a D-bag Skylarker is, moving in on their relationship or something, I dunno. I brought my dog as a wingman in case it got so unbearable I could say "Oh, dear, I gotta get Barney home." It never got that unbearable, when he's not lying and scheming, he was good company. Kind of a homophobe. And racist. But funny. Whatevs.

Have you got a link the thread in off-topic about your meet-up? Does that thread still exist?

[nothappynotsad]

Actually, it wasn't my idea either, it was nothappynotsad's. So Viva's coming into town for the first time to meet his solo fling on a plane from Florida compliment's of dad who's probably just relieved his son is talking to a real live girl. Nothappynotsad contacts me and says "We should have lunch!" I'm slightly curious about him because he'd been a Class A asshole to several people, I wanted to "meet a troll," but I didn't think it was going to happen. So Viva contact's me and says "Heyyyyy, I was thinking we could have lunch. How about on such-and-such a day, maybe around...12:30? Would that work for you?" That such-and-such a day was the day his plane landed at LAX at NOON. The little weasle was trying to "work out" a way of having me pick his ass up at the airport without asking. I said that it didn't work for me because I was housesitting in Upland which is forever away from LA. When it turned out I couldn't pick him up at the airport, he had no interest in having lunch. Not being an awesome communicator with his GIRLFRIEND, she contacts me and says "Hey, what day do you want to have lunch?" I said Viva already asked and she had zero idea that he was swindling a ride. I learned later that he was doing that because she didn;t have a driver's license and didn;t know how to drive a car and he was afraid of taking a bus or train because he has a fear of "basic brown types." That's my theory why he hates Jesse, he hates Mexicans. Anyway, one thing lead to another and I meet them a few days later at union Station. The plan was to pick them up and go to lunch. They come out of the train station eating a fucking Wetzel's pretzel. :squiffy: Viva had never been in LA, it was his birthday so I took him to touristy Farmer's Market, then Cat & Fiddle, showed them Sweetzer, like the classic Morrissey spots (except Farmer's, I just dig that place.) Then nothappynotsad channeled her inner 13-year-old and wanted to go to the Museum of Death. Viva and I wanted to sit in the car but we went along and looked at manson videos and baby caskets. Then I drove them ALL THE WAY THE FUCK TO LONG BEACH because they were afraid to ride on the train at night. :straightface: And the thanks I get is that he starts trolling me here. Nothappynotsad is cool, her BF? Not so much. We talked about solo a bit, mostly about how much of a D-bag Skylarker is, moving in on their relationship or something, I dunno. I brought my dog as a wingman in case it got so unbearable I could say "Oh, dear, I gotta get Barney home." It never got that unbearable, when he's not lying and scheming, he was good company. Kind of a homophobe. And racist. But funny. Whatevs.

I'm sick of reading your word vomit. This post is filled to the brim with bitterness and lies. .



Well that's interesting...because it is quite different from the impression I got from you on Facebook a few months back. You know...about how you had a hard-on for NHNS based on her pictures here, and how you thought Viva was a dickhead but once they presented you with the opportunity to meet up in person (even if it WAS to drive them around, which was only a SMALL part if it; mainly they just knew you knew the area and wanted to give you a chance to get together), you jumped on it, hoping to spark some lesbian thing with NHNS...which never happened because a) she was too into Viva and b) she's not into chicks and c) you were too shy to say anything to her.

Of course, in the meantime, during the whole Viva Hate vs. Skylarker debacle, you ardently took their side, defended them to the death, bragged and gushed about getting to meet them, posted pictures, said NOTHING like what you are saying now, and why? Because you still held out hopes that Viva would go back to Florida, NH would stay in LA and you and she would stay friends and hang out, and eventually something would "happen" between you two. Of course, it wasn't going to and never did.

She DID move to Florida to be with Viva; you stayed friendly for the sake of formality, on Facebook and on here, but you were extremely frustrated and depressed. At that point I was already well on my way to mending things with Viva (who I have known outside of Solo for years) as well as NHNS, who had gotten caught in the crossfire.

As soon as you perceived that they and I were friendly again, you sent me PMs here asking to be my Facebook friend, which I didn't have a problem with because I didn't have any significant animosity toward you. But I seem to remember that once ON Facebook, however, it became clear that your motive all along was to get me to act as middleman between you and NHNS, to scope out how she felt about you, as you could not ask Viva (who had already defriended you from there.)

Having neither a burning desire to play middleman for your bi-curious endeavors with NHNS, who I genuinely wanted to get onto good terms with and stay that way, and yet also having no desire to "freak you out" or make you go mental, I politely declined. You wouldn't take no for an answer, kept pestering me...until I had no choice but to block you.

Fast forward to a short time later; in frustration you "quit" Solo for the 67th time, only to reappear a few weeks later EXPLODING with venom for Viva Hate, Not Happy Not Sad, and myself. Totally unexplained, totally mystifying to the other posters here, and totally unprovoked...well, as far as the outside world knows. Which brings us here.

Don't like that I said this stuff, aired it publicly? Look at YOUR version of events; look at the scenarios and accusations YOU have made. You have mocked those two in EVERY WAY. You've now even gone so far as to accuse Viva Hate of being racist.

But sure...let's just pretend that one year ago, you were NOT meeting up with total strangers, cooing about it to everyone here, kissing NHNS's ass, etc etc. Let's pretend that you met up with her and Viva because you "wanted to meet a troll in real life." Let's overlook your random, out of control blitzkrieg of hate that you have spewed at them and at me for the last week. Let's forget the Facebook PMs from Viva to me, telling me how YOU insisted that you all go "Morrissey spotting" on his birthday.

Let's overlook the way that even in the midst of this tirade of yours, you JUMPED to clear up your "Gentle Giant" remark about NHNS; when someone took it to mean fat you immediately corrected them, saying how proportionate she was.

So, sure...you were coerced by two strangers from the internet, a decade younger than you, to pick them up and drive them around LA. The contempt and hate you feel for them now, and the way you have assuaged their characters lately, has NOTHING to do with being turned down romantically by NHNS after a year of trying...somehow you just magically went from thinking the world of her to being a total, total bitch to her...and your continued mockery and derision of Viva has NOTHING to do with jealously regarding his girlfriend.

Let me guess: I'm out of line, I'm making this up..right? But it's perfectly fine for you to make accusations of racism and manipulation. I ask you, look over your posts of this week...and look back a year ago, at your 1,000 glowing posts about NHNS and Viva then. Strange his "racism" didn't seem to bother you then.

Couple all this with the fact that several posts back you ADMITTED to lying last year, to help them falsely present information about the validity of their relationship and when they had first met, and well, what we are left with is your own basic admission that NOTHING YOU SAY IS WORTH A GODDAMN.

Whose version of events makes more sense...mine or yours?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

That would explain why she went on about my sultry voice and shyly said I could touch her butt when I accidentally bumped into her at the museum of death....

[!Viva Hate!]

That would explain why she went on about my sultry voice and shyly said I could touch her butt when I accidentally bumped into her at the museum of death....

It also explains why she wouldn't return any calls from us to meet again while I was there, but as soon as I went back to FL she was all up on your nuts asking you to go with her to MOCA and Morrissey's show at the Music Box, which she called you from and had you listen in to the show from your receiver...and the Vegas show she invited you to...and how she wanted to meet up with you for drinks before and after the Shrine show. :squiffy:

Poor Geezer. What a sad, sad character you are. I think maybe I should just stop replying to your lies and general nonsense out of pity.

[Amy]

Wow. You guys fight dirty.

[Ms Valerie Gina]

Everyone in this thread needs to get some good LD.
Especially Crystal Geezer.

-Ms V.G.

[Skylarker]

I deleted the post of mine that NHNS has embedded above because I shouldn't have said those things about Crystal Geezer. It was going too far. This whole thing has gone too far.

I have no idea why she bears the animosity for me that she does, or for Viva and NHNS, who -despite the very public feud I had with them last year- I genuinely admire as people, both on and off this site.

I can't control what they say about Crystal Geezer or what she says about them; I can only control what I say, and tonight I lost that control and went overboard.

Crystal Geezer is not a friend of mine, nor do I want anything to do with her after the things she has said lately; however I admit that the post I made was inappropriate and deceitful. She never told me about or implied to me that she harbored a physical attraction to NHNS. I made that up because I was extremely angry with her for the things she has been saying, and I wanted to shut her up by attempting to shame her.

It's true that I was, briefly, friendly with her on Facebook, but the subject of a lesbian crush never came up, nor did she ever ask me to intercede on her behalf to NHNS.

I do think it was very wrong of her to call Viva a racist, and to publicize a very unprovable account of her meeting with him and NHNS last year, painting extremely negative portraits of them...and frankly, when she did that, I felt like she had crossed a line and I retaliated without thinking.

The post I made was 100 percent my idea, off the cuff, in anger; Viva and NHNS had nothing to do with it.

I regret letting anger get the best of me, and assuaging someone's character under false pretenses. I think the world of Viva and NHNS but that was the wrong way to defend them.

I think I need to not post anymore, at least for awhile. This whole thing has become very ugly and very unpleasant and while I cannot speak for the other three people involved, I want to let it go and move on.

-Skylarker

[Anonymous]

I respect you for telling the truth and the fact that you compromised yourself that way is probably a good indicator that the whole thing has gotten to be too stupid to continue. You might have kept your head down and ignored her and she'd probably have gotten banned, but now that you made up a story about her they would never ban her without banning you as well and it probably gives her +10 temporary immunity points.

[CrystalGeezer]

It also explains why she wouldn't return any calls from us to meet again while I was there, but as soon as I went back to FL she was all up on your nuts asking you to go with her to MOCA and Morrissey's show at the Music Box, which she called you from and had you listen in to the show from your receiver...and the Vegas show she invited you to...and how she wanted to meet up with you for drinks before and after the Shrine show. :squiffy:

Poor Geezer. What a sad, sad character you are. I think maybe I should just stop replying to your lies and general nonsense out of pity.

None of this is true. I called NHNS from the line of music box to ask if she wanted a ticket. She said she had no money and sort of stammered hoping I'd buy one for her. She ASKED me to call her from the show which I thought was some sort of retarded torture but it was her idea. SHE wanted to go to moca and bailed at the last minute. I didn't invite her to Vegas, I said she could ride in the car, but I had plans with my friend. Remember him? The one you assumed was a homosexual based on one Facebook photo? You people are weird.

I am not attracted to your girlfriend. That Skylarker story is just bizarre.

[CrystalGeezer]

I deleted the post of mine that NHNS has embedded above because I shouldn't have said those things about Crystal Geezer. It was going too far. This whole thing has gone too far.

I have no idea why she bears the animosity for me that she does, or for Viva and NHNS, who -despite the very public feud I had with them last year- I genuinely admire as people, both on and off this site.

I can't control what they say about Crystal Geezer or what she says about them; I can only control what I say, and tonight I lost that control and went overboard.

Crystal Geezer is not a friend of mine, nor do I want anything to do with her after the things she has said lately; however I admit that the post I made was inappropriate and deceitful. She never told me about or implied to me that she harbored a physical attraction to NHNS. I made that up because I was extremely angry with her for the things she has been saying, and I wanted to shut her up by attempting to shame her.

It's true that I was, briefly, friendly with her on Facebook, but the subject of a lesbian crush never came up, nor did she ever ask me to intercede on her behalf to NHNS.

I do think it was very wrong of her to call Viva a racist, and to publicize a very unprovable account of her meeting with him and NHNS last year, painting extremely negative portraits of them...and frankly, when she did that, I felt like she had crossed a line and I retaliated without thinking.

The post I made was 100 percent my idea, off the cuff, in anger; Viva and NHNS had nothing to do with it.

I regret letting anger get the best of me, and assuaging someone's character under false pretenses. I think the world of Viva and NHNS but that was the wrong way to defend them.

I think I need to not post anymore, at least for awhile. This whole thing has become very ugly and very unpleasant and while I cannot speak for the other three people involved, I want to let it go and move on.

-Skylarker

Maybe you guys should stop being assholes to well-meaning posters for your own personal back-slapping sessions. You are bullys, not the victims.

[Thesmithsmorrissey]

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[BrummieBoy]

Maybe you guys should stop being assholes to well-meaning posters for your own personal back-slapping sessions. You are bullys, not the victims.

@skylarker

'I think I need to not post anymore, at least for awhile.'

You're right. And it's a start. Take a break.
Print off this thread and take it to a mental health professional.
Go to E.R if you don't have private funds.

Tell them I've diagnosed you and your 'friends' as suffering from Social Narcissism and Sociopathic Social Networking Disorder.
It's not in the DSMV yet, but it will be.

You're only getting this 'feedback' cuz my dumb-ass secretary forgot to reapply the 'Ignore' filter after she got high last night and posted loads of mad shit she was only supposed to transpose from the dictation tapes. I'll have to figure out how to edit this crap software and sort it all out.

There's no 'bullies' on this site. To be a bully you have to have some power. You gormless trolls have absolutely none. It's been over a week and there hasn't been one single effective troll from anyone here. So much for the 'fearsome' den of the famed 'Morrissey-Solo.com'. Like, scary dude!......not. You're trolling skills are about as fresh as Austin Powers.

I hope Kristeen carries on. I've never emotionally connected with her music, but it might happen yet. Having secure personal and interpersonal boundaries I feel absolutely no desire to express cognitive and emotional inadequacy online or in a concert venue.

From now on, it's seated theatres only, and that's only if Morrissy has a 'moment of clarity' like you and sustains it. Enough of Morrissey's re-run of the Bowie/Faces/Lizzy/Punk moshpits. It's no longer a celebration of terrace and pop culture. It's an impossibly embarassing spectacle of Festival Dads evading the ageing process and mortality, of spectacularly inadequate 'fans' sharing their emotional disinhibition and dysregulation with their cult leader, the to-bo to the max indie 'superstar' who bottled the Biggest Stage Ever and will never now be an Olympian figure in pop culture.

So many, many Boomers should just be culled to leave a space for young people......how many fifty year old regressed teenagers are there on this site? Why is Morrissey so attractive to such casualties?

I'm pleased you've had a 'moment of clarity'. I hope you repair your relationships and reputation so you can rejoin human society. But if you choose to have another troll-fest, don't bother replying. You're always on 'Ignore' unless there's a 'secretarial glitch'.

regards.

[BrummieBoy]

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You're in England. You don't even have to pay for treatment. Call 999 or get a passerby to do it for you.
Just go to A&E and beg for a 28 day section. Tell them about your 'candle' catatonia.

I sit alone in my four-cornered room staring at candles...

Print off your comment history and show them. Disclose your 'friendship' with 'Skylarker' and '!Viva Hate!'

They won't send you home with a paracetamol. They have public safety duties and must protect society from Dissociative Doofus Disorder. Your symptoms are online now, but one day you'll lose the ability to distinguish 'real' from 'not real'.

I'll always pray for you and light a candle at church for you.

regards

[Thesmithsmorrissey]

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[BrummieBoy]

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://dobrochan.ru/src/jpg/1108/Yeah-well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man%5B1%5D.jpg&sa=X&ei=9Z8bUNaTAuTv0gHchIH4DA&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGTQah6XMBIAUM4KWKkMnftE68TqQ

oh dear, the catatonia is progressing to coma stage. you have finally managed to communicate the entire contents of your mind: a blank space....please ensure all future 'communications' from the vacuum of your mind follow this excellent protocol!:lbf::crazy::p:eek:::tears:OF LAUGHTER!!!!

Troll.MegaFail! looooolz!!!

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I sit in my room and stare at candles trying to think of a better screenhandle

[Thesmithsmorrissey]

Wow. You guys fight dirty.

lolz I know right?

I hope those tell-all emails that anonymous poster said she was going to post regarding Kristeen's shitty two-facedness are this entertaining

[Anonymous]

Maybe you guys should stop being assholes to well-meaning posters for your own personal back-slapping sessions. You are bullys, not the victims.


I am willing to bet this is typical behavior- cruelty followed by false contrition. Fooling a bunch of random people into thinking you're a decent human being.

[Anonymous]

Actually, it wasn't my idea either, it was nothappynotsad's. So Viva's coming into town for the first time to meet his solo fling on a plane from Florida compliment's of dad who's probably just relieved his son is talking to a real live girl. Nothappynotsad contacts me and says "We should have lunch!" I'm slightly curious about him because he'd been a Class A asshole to several people, I wanted to "meet a troll," but I didn't think it was going to happen. So Viva contact's me and says "Heyyyyy, I was thinking we could have lunch. How about on such-and-such a day, maybe around...12:30? Would that work for you?" That such-and-such a day was the day his plane landed at LAX at NOON. The little weasle was trying to "work out" a way of having me pick his ass up at the airport without asking. I said that it didn't work for me because I was housesitting in Upland which is forever away from LA. When it turned out I couldn't pick him up at the airport, he had no interest in having lunch. Not being an awesome communicator with his GIRLFRIEND, she contacts me and says "Hey, what day do you want to have lunch?" I said Viva already asked and she had zero idea that he was swindling a ride. I learned later that he was doing that because she didn;t have a driver's license and didn;t know how to drive a car and he was afraid of taking a bus or train because he has a fear of "basic brown types." That's my theory why he hates Jesse, he hates Mexicans. Anyway, one thing lead to another and I meet them a few days later at union Station. The plan was to pick them up and go to lunch. They come out of the train station eating a fucking Wetzel's pretzel. :squiffy: Viva had never been in LA, it was his birthday so I took him to touristy Farmer's Market, then Cat & Fiddle, showed them Sweetzer, like the classic Morrissey spots (except Farmer's, I just dig that place.) Then nothappynotsad channeled her inner 13-year-old and wanted to go to the Museum of Death. Viva and I wanted to sit in the car but we went along and looked at manson videos and baby caskets. Then I drove them ALL THE WAY THE FUCK TO LONG BEACH because they were afraid to ride on the train at night. :straightface: And the thanks I get is that he starts trolling me here. Nothappynotsad is cool, her BF? Not so much. We talked about solo a bit, mostly about how much of a D-bag Skylarker is, moving in on their relationship or something, I dunno. I brought my dog as a wingman in case it got so unbearable I could say "Oh, dear, I gotta get Barney home." It never got that unbearable, when he's not lying and scheming, he was good company. Kind of a homophobe. And racist. But funny. Whatevs.

Look. I know you're schizophrenic and you have a very weak grasp on reality but the rest of us don't. Everybody on this site remembers how you LOVED THEM during the time period when this happened. BFFS4EVA. You're just making yourself look stupid. More stupid than usual.

[CrystalGeezer]

Look. I know you're schizophrenic and you have a very weak grasp on reality but the rest of us don't. Everybody on this site remembers how you LOVED THEM during the time period when this happened. BFFS4EVA. You're just making yourself look stupid. More stupid than usual.

Good. Then I'm doing my job.

[cornelius blaze]

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[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

nice post Skylarker :clap:

[BrummieBoy]

Everyone in this thread needs to get some good LD.
Especially Crystal Geezer.

-Ms V.G.

What the hell are you on about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LD

do you have any 'secretarial skills'?

regards...

[davidt]

Locking thread as it's well off-topic now.