Article: Bogota - Metropol (Mar. 17, 2012) post-show

[davidt]

You can view the page at http://www.morrissey-solo.com/content/672-Bogota-Metropol-(Mar-17-2012)-post-show

[Anonymous]

I am so proud of Morrissey that he did not cancel any of the shows on his tour so far and now he has a month off and I am so proud of him and I love him very very much although you fans deserve to have cancellations and I hope he cancels on you all next month. You fans are two faced phonies and back stabbing hypocrites and you make me sick.

[CrystalGeezer]

I am so proud of Morrissey that he did not cancel any of the shows on his tour so far and now he has a month off and I am so proud of him and I love him very very much although you fans deserve to have cancellations and I hope he cancels on you all next month. You fans are two faced phonies and back stabbing hypocrites and you make me sick.

Bipolar much? :squiffy:

[José Castillo]

This one goes on Spanish, excuses for the folks overseas.

Valeacabo de llegar del concierto, y la verdad fue todo lo que pudimos y quisimos esperar. En esta fecha de la gira por Sudamérica Morrissey se mostró estupendamente conectado con el público, emotivo y cercano. El set list no varió al que ya venía presentando en sus fechas anteriores y en esta ocasión cerró con IRISH BLOOD ENGLISH HEARTH. La banda con un sonido muy matizado, Morrissey realzo cada canción con su puesta en escena, era una maravilla escuchar la canción y ver al creador entregarla en esta narrativa escénica tan propia.

Yo me encontré en primera fila, lo tenía en mis narices y créanme que la cuestión allá adelante fue intensa, sobre todo cuando lanzó su camisa y media concurrencia saltó a cogerla... la histeria era general, y marcaré como pico máximo HOW SOON IS NOW... la gente adelante enloqueció.

Desde mi opinión creo que debo decir que todos quedamos sorprendidos por la nutrida asistencia, al final del concierto estando adelante pude observar como el auditorio estaba completamente lleno, no sé en la parte de arriba como estaba, pero tal vez nadie esperaba tal respuesta de los Fans de Moz: En Colombia somos muchísimos, la verdad quisiera saber como lo vieron otras personas desde su ubicación!... el comportamiento sin duda fue excelente.

y bueno... que decir de Kristeen Young!..... qué artista tan fabulosa!!!!!!! no llevaba minuto y medio de su primera canción y la gente ya la estaba aplaudiendo... el publico se la consumió.... la adoró.... ella con lagrimas le agradeció a bogotá.... se despidió de la gira y ganó sin dudarlo una multitud de Fans que se casan con ella desde hoy-

Bueno... fotos y videos mañana.
Un saludo desde Bogotá!

[Anonymous]

I was at the Morrissey gig tonight at the Metropol, it was awesome, he put on a great show and the crowd responded well. I'm a British Expat in Bogota and I was concerned the crowd might be a bit dull.

Sound was a bit crappy but not as bad as the London Arena, they had stuck some acoustic panels to the wall as the whole place is bare concrete. I think he picked the perfect venue, only holds about 3500, he filled it and it was still an intimate gig.

Opened with First of the Gang and intermingled some fairly odd comments between his songs, tried his hand at Spanish too, throwing olé, gracias, muchas gracias and hasta luego into his patter.

Would be keen to know who the line up was, there was Matt Walker, Solomon Walker, Jesse Tobias, then the keyboardist was a Colombian I think called Gustavo who made an emotional "I am home and look who brought me here" speech then there was a guy in a sequin dress called Gaynor Tension or something, pretty cool stage presence they all had.

Awesome night thanks Mozza, made me proud to be a Brit tonight, hope you come back to Bogota next time you are passing.

Oh and Kristeen Young was great too

[JoseCastillo]

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[JoseCastillo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-I2LdK-bvI&

[JoseCastillo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq6m-1Q4GJw&

[Anonymous]

I don't understand this ridiculous idea that seems to have come about whereby the band have to perfom almost naked - except for Boz in his drag outfit. It just seems to me that Moz mustn't really care anything about Boz' feelings to go ahead with it. Clearly Boorer wouldn't feel comfortable just wearing a pair of shorts - if I were Morrissey, that would be reason enough to forget the whole idea.

[JoseCastillo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiSay_D8Rjw&

[Anonymous]

Anybody taking bets on band costumes for next month? My money is on Samurai Warriors and Boz as a Geisha.

[lindsey1151]

Setlist First of the gang to die / How soon is now / You have killed me / Alma matters / Black cloud / Let me kiss you / One day goodbye will be farewell / There is a light that never goes out / Everyday is like sunday / I know its over / ouija board ouija board / I will see you in far-off places / Your the one for me fatty / Speedway / Action is my middle name / Meat is murder / Im throwing my arms around paris / Please please please let me get what I want/When last I spoke to carol // Irish blood english heart

[Anonymous]

I don't understand this ridiculous idea that seems to have come about whereby the band have to perfom almost naked - except for Boz in his drag outfit. It just seems to me that Moz mustn't really care anything about Boz' feelings to go ahead with it. Clearly Boorer wouldn't feel comfortable just wearing a pair of shorts - if I were Morrissey, that would be reason enough to forget the whole idea.

I agree with you. You would think that Morrissey would have some concern/care for his band--especially loyal Boz. But, we see Morrissey as a selfish man degrading his band. Perhaps that is why he can't get good, talented musicians.

[Anonymous]

Great gig, awesome gig... it doesn't get any "Englishier" than this.

And for those who enjoy the two best English things ever, english music and football, I found this very fun stuff about Morrissey & football: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/dec/10/sport.comment

[alabamy]

Before the show - Lypsinka as Gypsy Rose Lee:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nosoyjose/6992005267/

[NoelF]

Irish but now living in Colombia, went to the gig last night, good solid set, sound quite good...particularly enjoyed Irish Blood, English Heart for obvious reasons, it being Paddy's day and all...as for the outfits, wouldn't have looked out of place in a gay bar, the guys clearly didn't look comfortable...If Moz is going to subject his men to this he's gotta join in and put on a yellow hot pants himself.

PS anyone have any more info on the intro songs and interviews, seemed like England in the 60/70's, was there any central theme?

[johnson]

i denounce all things morrissey

[Anonymous]

If I bought a ticket to see Morrissey and it turned out to be one where the band was a fat woman and a bunch of gay boys in shorts I'd want my money back.

[Anonymous]

I am so proud of Morrissey that he did not cancel any of the shows on his tour so far and now he has a month off and I am so proud of him and I love him very very much although you fans deserve to have cancellations and I hope he cancels on you all next month. You fans are two faced phonies and back stabbing hypocrites and you make me sick.
Yes because you are the only fan thats not a 'back stabbing hypocrit'.

[Anonymous]

Morrissey is a bully. Don't try and tell me every member of the band is happy to wear those pants even if Boz is happy dragging up. The t-shirts as uniforms are bad enough when they're just something like the Nico ones or NY Dolls ones from years ago but stupid 6th form slogans... And as for the pants... Oh please stop. Shame is the name...

[Anonymous]

Morrissey is a bully. Don't try and tell me every member of the band is happy to wear those pants even if Boz is happy dragging up. The t-shirts as uniforms are bad enough when they're just something like the Nico ones or NY Dolls ones from years ago but stupid 6th form slogans... And as for the pants... Oh please stop. Shame is the name...

Very true--Morrissey is such an advocate of treating animals with respect, but he cannot even do this with his band.

[Anonymous]

I hope there's freedom in the Morrissey. I'm just a passer by.
Not good for the children!

[Anonymous]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the rose that Morrissey accepted during You Have Killed Me. A red rose. So now what do you say?

[Anonymous]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the rose that Morrissey accepted during You Have Killed Me. A red rose. So now what do you say?

I say I hope I don't have to wait too long to find out the outcome of the job interview I attended last Friday and, equally, I hope the garage can fix my car without charging too much. I have things going on in my life besides Morrissey and the Internet.

[Anonymous]

If I bought a ticket to see Morrissey and it turned out to be one where the band was a fat woman and a bunch of gay boys in shorts I'd want my money back.

Just a joke, right? Are you kidding me?

[Anonymous]

I say I hope I don't have to wait too long to find out the outcome of the job interview I attended last Friday and, equally, I hope the garage can fix my car without charging too much. I have things going on in my life besides Morrissey and the Internet.

I find it highly unlikely that you'll get the job and if you really have other things going on in your life, why are you here answering questions that you aren't interested in? Ps, the car looks f*cked.

[Anonymous]

I find it highly unlikely that you'll get the job and if you really have other things going on in your life, why are you here answering questions that you aren't interested in? Ps, the car looks f*cked.

Because I'm hanging around waiting for the car to be repaired. The mechanic indicates that there will be only a modest outlay for the necessary work. No word about the job yet, though.

[Anonymous]

Morrissey accepts and holds up red rose during Colombia concert as per MorrisseysWorld pledge

look at pics here http://entretenimiento.terra.com.co/musica/morrissey-presento-en-bogota-toda-una-sinfonia-de-clasicos,3e1344cc84626310VgnVCM3000009af154d0
RCRD.html

and check out http://www.morrisseysworld.blogspot.com

Still doubt it? If Morrissey is so ANGRY about MorrisseysWorld why would he advertise this red rose?

Just another coincidence...

[Anonymous]

its written all over HIS face...rose an all.( manc )


I bet Alain is glad hes out of that band now, No one can be happy being made to parade naked like that.

[sdsuedehead]

I am so proud of Morrissey that he did not cancel any of the shows on his tour so far and now he has a month off and I am so proud of him and I love him very very much although you fans deserve to have cancellations and I hope he cancels on you all next month. You fans are two faced phonies and back stabbing hypocrites and you make me sick.

the definition of a whack-a-doo :crazy:

[CrystalGeezer]

Morrissey accepts and holds up red rose during Colombia concert as per MorrisseysWorld pledge

look at pics here http://entretenimiento.terra.com.co/musica/morrissey-presento-en-bogota-toda-una-sinfonia-de-clasicos,3e1344cc84626310VgnVCM3000009af154d0
RCRD.html

and check out http://www.morrisseysworld.blogspot.com

Still doubt it? If Morrissey is so ANGRY about MorrisseysWorld why would he advertise this red rose?

Just another coincidence...

Would you please take a moment to explain your logic and which theory you believe, because you pose two theories and neither of them are meshing on any level of logic or reason:

1. That the (apparently rare in your mind) red rose so sacred to your theory is a sign of something divine that you predicted Morrissey would accept validating that you have a keen perception of predicting the future in regards to Morrissey.

2. That Morrissey is the author of your site and at the concert scanned the barrier, saw a red rose was handed to him, took it and thought "I'm going to take this red rose to prove that I write the articles at Morrissey's World." then went back stage, got in a car, was driven to his hotel, went to sleep, woke up, wrote some stuff on his secret Morrissey's World site, then came to Morrissey-solo.com where he logged in anonymously to gloat that he proved that he's part of his other anonymous site?

Neither of your theories make any sense! He took a rose, it's a very common flower. He never wore a Justin Beiber shirt and he's not going to. He's not tied to your site, give it a rest.

[alabamy]

why would he advertise this red rose?
Because he's a free person and ignores such childish traps and silly games. How stupid would have been for him to adjust his behavior according to some experiments made by a bunch of obsessed people who only want to mock him? They can continue with such "predictions" ad infinitum, only to gain the admiration of gullible folks and to enjoy annoying the others and trolling this site. "If Boz will wear once again a wig and a dress, then Morrisey wants those blogs to continue fantasizing about him", "If Morrissey will sing Michael's Bones next time, then he wants those blogs to close" and so on.

[CrystalGeezer]

And before anyone says "Blehhhhhh, you're one to talk when it comes to logic." I don't try to force feed anyone that my insights are the answer or the truth, I just pass on what the spirit I dance with has pointed out is interesting. You can take it or leave it that Vishnu dipped into Morrissey for a second and he became a living sign, but at the end of the day, Morrissey is still Morrissey, I am still me, weird shit happens that can be cool to notice, I have the tools at my disposal to point the weird shit out and it's up to the viewer of my theories to believe or not believe. This Morrissey's World thing is just lacking logic altogether, but the creator's incessant rant about his theories that lack logic is irritating as hell and maybe a sign in itself of some other wool trying to be pulled over unsuspecting eyes.

[SparkleBoy]

I am so proud of Morrissey that he did not cancel any of the shows on his tour so far and now he has a month off and I am so proud of him and I love him very very much although you fans deserve to have cancellations and I hope he cancels on you all next month. You fans are two faced phonies and back stabbing hypocrites and you make me sick.

This is the best post on this "forum" in weeks! I'd expect this from Crystal or !Viva! and not some Anonymous person! :guitar:

[CrystalGeezer]

This is the best post on this "forum" in weeks! I'd expect this from Crystal or !Viva! and not some Anonymous person! :guitar:

Whaaaaaa??!?!?! I don't hate the fans. I get jealous as hell sometimes when they're all clingy and Latin and fucking beautiful, but I want them to have a good time.

[Ricardo Rivadeneira]

http://ricardorivadeneira.blogspot.com/2012/03/morrisey-en-colombia.html

[Anonymous]

I agree with you. You would think that Morrissey would have some concern/care for his band--especially loyal Boz. But, we see Morrissey as a selfish man degrading his band. Perhaps that is why he can't get good, talented musicians.

Yes, Moz seems to have lost his mind. There once was a time when I flew across the states to see him live- now I highly doubt I will see him even if he comes to my town. His ego seems to be unchecked these days, and he puts people who need jobs- i.e., his band- in positions where they are forced to humilate themselves playing nearly naked to make a living. Who else would do this? Even he doesn't do this.

I've also heard stories now from several people who crossed his path that he was unfriendly, dismissive, and more than a bit obnoxious. Add that to his public behavior, such as canceling a concert because a SINGLE fan threw a water bottle at him, and a very ugly portrait begins to appear.

I suppose he has enough money that he doesn't need to worry how many people he pisses off, but we the public should demand better from someone who we afforded to live an incredible lifestyle.

I simply no longer fund bad behavior, period. I hope the band grows a pair and quits.

[CrystalGeezer]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the rose that Morrissey accepted during You Have Killed Me. A red rose. So now what do you say?

Answer my question. What do you gain by pretending to be Morrissey? What is the true motivation of your blog?

[Anonymous]

Yes, Moz seems to have lost his mind. There once was a time when I flew across the states to see him live- now I highly doubt I will see him even if he comes to my town. His ego seems to be unchecked these days, and he puts people who need jobs- i.e., his band- in positions where they are forced to humilate themselves playing nearly naked to make a living. Who else would do this? Even he doesn't do this.

I've also heard stories now from several people who crossed his path that he was unfriendly, dismissive, and more than a bit obnoxious. Add that to his public behavior, such as canceling a concert because a SINGLE fan threw a water bottle at him, and a very ugly portrait begins to appear.

I suppose he has enough money that he doesn't need to worry how many people he pisses off, but we the public should demand better from someone who we afforded to live an incredible lifestyle.

I simply no longer fund bad behavior, period. I hope the band grows a pair and quits.

I agree with you, unequivocally and absolutely. Apart from seeming to be a thoroughly dislikable person - both professionally and personally - Morrissey now just seems to be an unscrupulous, money-hungry wanker. Of course, he probably was always like this, but it's just more obvious now than it used to be. I think the Internet (and specifically this message board) has helped massively to demystify the "Morrissey" character he's been cultivating for public consumption over the years. I don't go to see him in concert anymore and, these days, I wouldn't dream of paying for his music - I just can't bear to give him any more of my money.

[Anonymous]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the rose that Morrissey accepted during You Have Killed Me. A red rose. So now what do you say?

No one cares about a stupid rose--which could be purely coincidence. Either way, that blog is a joke, as has Morrissey's latest output and treatment of his band.

[Anonymous]

Live setlist with video clips from each track Morrissey performed in Bogotá here: http://youtu.be/_8INSM3y1UM

[Anonymous]

Yes because you are the only fan thats not a 'back stabbing hypocrit'.

More or less

[Anonymous]

I agree with you, unequivocally and absolutely. Apart from seeming to be a thoroughly dislikable person - both professionally and personally - Morrissey now just seems to be an unscrupulous, money-hungry wanker. Of course, he probably was always like this, but it's just more obvious now than it used to be. I think the Internet (and specifically this message board) has helped massively to demystify the "Morrissey" character he's been cultivating for public consumption over the years. I don't go to see him in concert anymore and, these days, I wouldn't dream of paying for his music - I just can't bear to give him any more of my money.

Perfect..

[Anonymous]

Yes, Moz seems to have lost his mind. There once was a time when I flew across the states to see him live- now I highly doubt I will see him even if he comes to my town. His ego seems to be unchecked these days, and he puts people who need jobs- i.e., his band- in positions where they are forced to humilate themselves playing nearly naked to make a living. Who else would do this? Even he doesn't do this.

I've also heard stories now from several people who crossed his path that he was unfriendly, dismissive, and more than a bit obnoxious. Add that to his public behavior, such as canceling a concert because a SINGLE fan threw a water bottle at him, and a very ugly portrait begins to appear.

I suppose he has enough money that he doesn't need to worry how many people he pisses off, but we the public should demand better from someone who we afforded to live an incredible lifestyle.

I simply no longer fund bad behavior, period. I hope the band grows a pair and quits.

One person's "unfriendly, dismissive, and more than a bit obnoxious" is simply another person's "shy, awkward, gauche". It's all a matter of perception NOT 'fact'. And as for dressing up the band, he's always placed himself within a specific visual/aesthetic context - it's not just the backdrop, it's the band too. Even the early lads were a case in point = pretty, petty thieves and rockabilly ruffians. To me, that was exactly the same kind of "dressing up". And let's not forget the outfits have been even more outlandish in the past - remember Boz in the sombrero and loincloth? That was a few years ago. Could it be that the band DON'T see it as "bullying"? Could it be that they see it as nothing more than a laugh because they understand SPM's eccentricities and visual references? No, of course not because that wouldn't fit the infantile "bash Morrissey at every opportunity" agenda of this increasingly pitiful site.

"I simply no longer fund bad behavior" - well you do because you'll continue to buy his music and see him live. Coming here to whine changes nothing.

[Anonymous]

I agree with you, unequivocally and absolutely. Apart from seeming to be a thoroughly dislikable person - both professionally and personally - Morrissey now just seems to be an unscrupulous, money-hungry wanker. Of course, he probably was always like this, but it's just more obvious now than it used to be. I think the Internet (and specifically this message board) has helped massively to demystify the "Morrissey" character he's been cultivating for public consumption over the years. I don't go to see him in concert anymore and, these days, I wouldn't dream of paying for his music - I just can't bear to give him any more of my money.

1) You know nothing.

2) Internet forums like this one populated by trolls and those who can't bear the fact that Moz has such a hold over their lives & memories hardly constitutes demystification. To attribute such insight to a site like this is deluded beyond belief.

3) You know nothing.

4) You wouldn't dream of paying for his music? Yeah right. If you didn't care, you wouldn't come here. People who come here to make pompous dismissive statements like you have are always deeply unconvincing.

5) You know nothing.

[Anonymous]

One person's "unfriendly, dismissive, and more than a bit obnoxious" is simply another person's "shy, awkward, gauche". It's all a matter of perception NOT 'fact'. And as for dressing up the band, he's always placed himself within a specific visual/aesthetic context - it's not just the backdrop, it's the band too. Even the early lads were a case in point = pretty, petty thieves and rockabilly ruffians. To me, that was exactly the same kind of "dressing up". And let's not forget the outfits have been even more outlandish in the past - remember Boz in the sombrero and loincloth? That was a few years ago. Could it be that the band DON'T see it as "bullying"? Could it be that they see it as nothing more than a laugh because they understand SPM's eccentricities and visual references? No, of course not because that wouldn't fit the infantile "bash Morrissey at every opportunity" agenda of this increasingly pitiful site.



Amen and thank you

[Anonymous]

1) You know nothing.

2) Internet forums like this one populated by trolls and those who can't bear the fact that Moz has such a hold over their lives & memories hardly constitutes demystification. To attribute such insight to a site like this is deluded beyond belief.

3) You know nothing.

4) You wouldn't dream of paying for his music? Yeah right. If you didn't care, you wouldn't come here. People who come here to make pompous dismissive statements like you have are always deeply unconvincing.

5) You know nothing.

Yes, there are people posting here who just want to wind-up Morrissey's fans, but to dismiss all critical discussion as the work of "trolls" is just crass generalisation. These message boards have allowed all manner of facts about Morrissey to be circulated and discussed in a way that Morrissey, quite hypocritically, would prefer to censor. I don't know that he's ever had "a hold over" me, but I certainly acknowledge that when I was a teenager, Morrissey was very influential on my view of the world, the opinions I formed and the choices I made - such is the relationship between a pop star and his/her fans. In times past, at least, that's how (and why) pop music worked; that's part of the reason why pop music was so popular for so long and that's why it was so important to the people who listened to it. I grew up, though. Ironically, perhaps, Morrissey's "bookish" persona inspired me (and possibly thousands of others) to read and to get an education. For that, I am truly grateful because, in my own case at least, it probably wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Unfortunately for Morrissey, though, education instills critical thinking and the need for reflection. In Morrissey, there is certainly much to question and criticise - not least the inconsistencies between his words and his actions. This is a man who preached that "meat is murder" while wearing leather shoes; a man who says racism is stupid but who also encourages the belief that the Chinese are a "subspecies"; a man who lauds the Internet for the freedom it allows ordinary people to express themselves while, simultaneously, he condemns them for doing so. Let's not forget, either, that he's spent his career railing against the music industry while at the same time being complicit with it (so that he could continue to be a part of it!). All of these things are - to put it charitably - discrepancies in his character and without Morrissey-solo and the Internet, more generally, they would be swept under the carpet and unexamined. Luckily, however, this place does exist, and it has narrowed the social distance between Morrissey, the star, and the people who listen to his music, reducing him (for some of us, anyway) from demigod to mere mortal.

[halfapostman]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dcEt3ECr928/T2cmyagvlEI/AAAAAAAABgE/mFfif2eykV8/s400/morrissey%2Bred%2Brose.jpg

[Peterb]

Yes, there are people posting here who just want to wind-up Morrissey's fans, but to dismiss all critical discussion as the work of "trolls" is just crass generalisation. These message boards have allowed all manner of facts about Morrissey to be circulated and discussed in a way that Morrissey, quite hypocritically, would prefer to censor. I don't know that he's ever had "a hold over" me, but I certainly acknowledge that when I was a teenager, Morrissey was very influential on my view of the world, the opinions I formed and the choices I made - such is the relationship between a pop star and his/her fans. In times past, at least, that's how (and why) pop music worked; that's part of the reason why pop music was so popular for so long and that's why it was so important to the people who listened to it. I grew up, though. Ironically, perhaps, Morrissey's "bookish" persona inspired me (and possibly thousands of others) to read and to get an education. For that, I am truly grateful because, in my own case at least, it probably wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Unfortunately for Morrissey, though, education instills critical thinking and the need for reflection. In Morrissey, there is certainly much to question and criticise - not least the inconsistencies between his words and his actions. This is a man who preached that "meat is murder" while wearing leather shoes; a man who says racism is stupid but who also encourages the belief that the Chinese are a "subspecies"; a man who lauds the Internet for the freedom it allows ordinary people to express themselves while, simultaneously, he condemns them for doing so. Let's not forget, either, that he's spent his career railing against the music industry while at the same time being complicit with it (so that he could continue to be a part of it!). All of these things are - to put it charitably - discrepancies in his character and without Morrissey-solo and the Internet, more generally, they would be swept under the carpet and unexamined. Luckily, however, this place does exist, and it has narrowed the social distance between Morrissey, the star, and the people who listen to his music, reducing him (for some of us, anyway) from demigod to mere mortal.
I find your position puzzling. On the one hand you say that age and erudition has enabled you to distance yourself from the obsessive fandom of your youth but then you go on to say that by studying his behaviour and utterances you discover he's a fraud. Surely with this wonderful objectivity you have achieved you can concentrate on the music and not worry about all the other stuff, which is, lets face, just gossip and speculation. I don't expect much of the man myself other than decent records and in my opinion he delivers in this respect (although we could do with a new album).

[celibate]

Morrissey is a bully. Don't try and tell me every member of the band is happy to wear those pants even if Boz is happy dragging up. The t-shirts as uniforms are bad enough when they're just something like the Nico ones or NY Dolls ones from years ago but stupid 6th form slogans... And as for the pants... Oh please stop. Shame is the name...

Boz did that act in 1992 in the USA arsenal tour , Halloween

I'd rather wear those clothes inside, than shot outside in Colombia:rolleyes:

[NoelF]

celibate;


What do you mean by "shot outside in Colombia"?

[Anonymous]

I find your position puzzling. On the one hand you say that age and erudition has enabled you to distance yourself from the obsessive fandom of your youth but then you go on to say that by studying his behaviour and utterances you discover he's a fraud. Surely with this wonderful objectivity you have achieved you can concentrate on the music and not worry about all the other stuff, which is, lets face, just gossip and speculation. I don't expect much of the man myself other than decent records and in my opinion he delivers in this respect (although we could do with a new album).

Hello Peterb. I don't think what I'm talking about is "just gossip". All the things I mentioned above (the leather shoes, the "subspecies" comments etc.) are all factual. Anyway, what I mean is that in the days before the Internet, before there were infinite opportunities for discussion, I would've been more likely to set aside as niggling doubts many of the discomfiting thoughts about Morrissey that I might have had and just tried to ignore them because the songs, and what he and they "stood for", meant something important to me. Perhaps subconsciously, I didn't want to become disillusioned.

As for making a distinction between the music and "the other stuff", yes I can do that, but only to an extent. The difficulty lies in the fact that, as Morrissey himself would probably contend, the music is the man and is, by definition, inseparable from him. For that reason, there's limited scope to enjoy the songs without appreciating the songwriter and if the songwriter compromises himself, as I believe he has, then the songs are somewhat spoiled. It's a bit like finding that Billy Bragg has been a card-carrying member of the Conservative Party for all these years.

[goinghome]

One person's "unfriendly, dismissive, and more than a bit obnoxious" is simply another person's "shy, awkward, gauche". It's all a matter of perception NOT 'fact'. And as for dressing up the band, he's always placed himself within a specific visual/aesthetic context - it's not just the backdrop, it's the band too. Even the early lads were a case in point = pretty, petty thieves and rockabilly ruffians. To me, that was exactly the same kind of "dressing up". And let's not forget the outfits have been even more outlandish in the past - remember Boz in the sombrero and loincloth? That was a few years ago. Could it be that the band DON'T see it as "bullying"? Could it be that they see it as nothing more than a laugh because they understand SPM's eccentricities and visual references? No, of course not because that wouldn't fit the infantile "bash Morrissey at every opportunity" agenda of this increasingly pitiful site.

"I simply no longer fund bad behavior" - well you do because you'll continue to buy his music and see him live. Coming here to whine changes nothing.

There are too many days now when it is obvious to any basically civilised person why the nickname 'so-low' applies.

[Johnson]

Perfect..

Amen!

[Anonymous]

There are too many days now when it is obvious to any basically civilised person why the nickname 'so-low' applies.

Because no "basically civilised person" would dare have the temerity to question or criticise Steven? He isn't actually God, you know.

[Anonymous]

Yes, there are people posting here who just want to wind-up Morrissey's fans, but to dismiss all critical discussion as the work of "trolls" is just crass generalisation. These message boards have allowed all manner of facts about Morrissey to be circulated and discussed in a way that Morrissey, quite hypocritically, would prefer to censor. I don't know that he's ever had "a hold over" me, but I certainly acknowledge that when I was a teenager, Morrissey was very influential on my view of the world, the opinions I formed and the choices I made - such is the relationship between a pop star and his/her fans. In times past, at least, that's how (and why) pop music worked; that's part of the reason why pop music was so popular for so long and that's why it was so important to the people who listened to it. I grew up, though. Ironically, perhaps, Morrissey's "bookish" persona inspired me (and possibly thousands of others) to read and to get an education. For that, I am truly grateful because, in my own case at least, it probably wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Unfortunately for Morrissey, though, education instills critical thinking and the need for reflection. In Morrissey, there is certainly much to question and criticise - not least the inconsistencies between his words and his actions. This is a man who preached that "meat is murder" while wearing leather shoes; a man who says racism is stupid but who also encourages the belief that the Chinese are a "subspecies"; a man who lauds the Internet for the freedom it allows ordinary people to express themselves while, simultaneously, he condemns them for doing so. Let's not forget, either, that he's spent his career railing against the music industry while at the same time being complicit with it (so that he could continue to be a part of it!). All of these things are - to put it charitably - discrepancies in his character and without Morrissey-solo and the Internet, more generally, they would be swept under the carpet and unexamined. Luckily, however, this place does exist, and it has narrowed the social distance between Morrissey, the star, and the people who listen to his music, reducing him (for some of us, anyway) from demigod to mere mortal.

For God sake - lighten up.

[Peterb]

Hello Peterb. I don't think what I'm talking about is "just gossip". All the things I mentioned above (the leather shoes, the "subspecies" comments etc.) are all factual. Anyway, what I mean is that in the days before the Internet, before there were infinite opportunities for discussion, I would've been more likely to set aside as niggling doubts many of the discomfiting thoughts about Morrissey that I might have had and just tried to ignore them because the songs, and what he and they "stood for", meant something important to me. Perhaps subconsciously, I didn't want to become disillusioned.

As for making a distinction between the music and "the other stuff", yes I can do that, but only to an extent. The difficulty lies in the fact that, as Morrissey himself would probably contend, the music is the man and is, by definition, inseparable from him. For that reason, there's limited scope to enjoy the songs without appreciating the songwriter and if the songwriter compromises himself, as I believe he has, then the songs are somewhat spoiled. It's a bit like finding that Billy Bragg has been a card-carrying member of the Conservative Party for all these years.
Yeah, good response and fair enough. Reading back my post to you it's a bit 'holier than thou' so thanks for responding in a measured and thoughtful tone.

[Anonymous]

Amazing Tour.
Wish I could fly and support Morrissey and the band.

For get the red rose or the white rose. Michael's Bones will NEVER happen. I can tell you that for nothing - it just doesnt need an expert or a non-expert to tell you that !

In the same way that MY PERFECT COUSIN will never happen either.....................................

lol. Rock on.

[Anonymous]

I think BOz would not accept to parade on stage with just a pair of shorts on!! so he probably came up with the "drag" idea himself. Let hte guys have fun!. Having said that I wish he would just bye bye to the whole band as it is today and pick up a stronger band! a lot of really the tlaented change their band tour after tour.

[jasondean]

I love Moz, but it's embarrassing to see him degrade his band and make them look like a joke. The thought of seeing one of my fave Smiths songs of all time (I Know It's Over) played by one man dressed like a woman and the others shirtless in yellow trunks makes me sick. If I were Boz (or any of them) I would tell him to fuck off. If it were one night, or halloween or something I could get over it, but this is becoming a sad train wreck.

[Anonymous]

I love Moz, but it's embarrassing to see him degrade his band and make them look like a joke. The thought of seeing one of my fave Smiths songs of all time (I Know It's Over) played by one man dressed like a woman and the others shirtless in yellow trunks makes me sick. If I were Boz (or any of them) I would tell him to fuck off. If it were one night, or halloween or something I could get over it, but this is becoming a sad train wreck.

I agree. I've seen the RHCP, as well as No Doubt perform with various kinds of stage antics and states of half-dressed, but I've always expected that from said bands. And- they definitely don't write the same kind of heartfelt lyrics that Morrissey is known for. It just seems so out of character for him.

[Diana Goyeneche]

Yo tuve la oportunidad de conocer al grupo el dia anterior y me anotaron en una lista para entrar como invitados de ellos, fui con mi esposo mis hermanos y cuñados que tambien son fans del grupo...fuimos los primeros en entrar y quedamos en primera fila, la verdad fue un concierto muy emocionante, yo estaba lado de la chica que se subio al escenario... a quien yo ayude a subir!!! al final Solomon (bajista de la banda) me entrego se agacho y me entrego el listado de las canciones que tocaron...eso fue lo maximo!!! la verdad lo mejor de todo es haber tenido la oportunidad de conocer personas tan talentosas, pero a su vez tan sencillas y tan amables...!!!

[Anonymous]

Viva MOZ. You guys are Crazy. No matter what his band members wear no matter what hind of show is put on Morrissey is truly a poetic GOD. Only a true fan could understand his since of humor and his motion for doing the things he does. If you truly connect with his music than you would under stand. If you have nothing nice to say about MOZ than go get a hobby and keep you comments off this site. Hipocrits.

[Anonymous]

You guys are all insane!! How dare you make such comets about MOZ and his band members! MOZ is one of the Most sincere persons of the world. Only a true fan would understand his personality and since of humor and would not be critizing the costumes worne but would be there to connect with his lyrics. Get a life looses and post your crap some where else. Viva Morrissey