Article: Bravado has no legal right to sell Morrissey merchandise - statement at true

[Raphael Lambach]

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[Anonymous]

I'm going to buy their stuff just to spite Morrissey, the greedy, money obsessed old geezer!

[celibate]

the best T shirt are sold around the venues Morrissey plays, the best T shirts Morrissey inside veneus sold was in east USA, 2006/8
or even later... many choices, can't find them anymore, as if...

[Satlook]

In the past I have purchased from Bravado because an official (2009) Morrissey site has send me to there.
Bravado belongs to Universal Music. (Also Polydor)
I think it's because this old merchandising and morrissey no longer has a contract with Universal.

[johnson]

I'm going to buy their stuff just to spite Morrissey, the greedy, money obsessed old geezer!

elvis left the building years ago fucking bugger off steven

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

Done.

[Anonymous]

For God's sake Mozzer hurry up and release a new album so we can concentrate on your singing and not your talking. You write much better words when they have accompanying music. In other words please shut the fuck up and sing!

[johnson]

For God's sake Mozzer hurry up and release a new album so we can concentrate on your singing and not your talking. You write much better words when they have accompanying music. In other words please shut the fuck up and sing!

honestly once again just shut the fuck up fool period.i denounce.

[Buzzetta]

The way I understand it is that the site is owned by the record company that he previously had a record contract with. Therefore they have the ability to continue to publish any and all music that was created for the record company to publish while the artist was under contract. As an extension they probably have the ability to continue to sell any remaining stock of support merchandise that was crafted in order to accompany the artist's record sales. As long as Bravado / Universal is not printing up new merchandise and is simply selling out of remaining stock he may not have a legal leg to stand on.

Look at it this way. Go to Toys R Us and you will see Lego Star Wars sets. Suppose Lego loses the Star Wars license. Lego will ship all remaining sets that they have produced when they DID have the license. They cannot produce any more. Toys R Us will in turn sell off all remaining sets over due time.

Once again Morrissey... stop whining...

[Anonymous]

Yup = with boring predictability the most innocuous statement becomes an opportunity for more Moz-hating. OF COURSE it's HIS fault - for no longer being signed to Polydor, for being "money-obsessed", for issuing too many statements (stop copy and pasting them from TTY then?), for not releasing new material (which when released would inevitably be heavily criticized also). Why do you come here? And, more pertinently, what's the point of this site? Morrissey has made it clear what he thinks of it (and of David) and it's just a magnet for haters. Or rather people PRETENDING to hate, as people who were genuinely through with Moz wouldn't be posting here so regularly, they would presumably be getting on with their lives? Assuming they have lives, of course.

[Anonymous]

The way I understand it is that the site is owned by the record company that he previously had a record contract with. Therefore they have the ability to continue to publish any and all music that was created for the record company to publish while the artist was under contract. As an extension they probably have the ability to continue to sell any remaining stock of support merchandise that was crafted in order to accompany the artist's record sales. As long as Bravado / Universal is not printing up new merchandise and is simply selling out of remaining stock he may not have a legal leg to stand on.

Look at it this way. Go to Toys R Us and you will see Lego Star Wars sets. Suppose Lego loses the Star Wars license. Lego will ship all remaining sets that they have produced when they DID have the license. They cannot produce any more. Toys R Us will in turn sell off all remaining sets over due time.

Once again Morrissey... stop whining...


And you've read the contract, right? Jeez.

[Anonymous]

Kick Tobias out of the band and maybe I'll consider not doing business with Bravado.

[Anonymous]

The way I understand it is that the site is owned by the record company that he previously had a record contract with. Therefore they have the ability to continue to publish any and all music that was created for the record company to publish while the artist was under contract. As an extension they probably have the ability to continue to sell any remaining stock of support merchandise that was crafted in order to accompany the artist's record sales. As long as Bravado / Universal is not printing up new merchandise and is simply selling out of remaining stock he may not have a legal leg to stand on.

Look at it this way. Go to Toys R Us and you will see Lego Star Wars sets. Suppose Lego loses the Star Wars license. Lego will ship all remaining sets that they have produced when they DID have the license. They cannot produce any more. Toys R Us will in turn sell off all remaining sets over due time.

Once again Morrissey... stop whining...

Thanks for providing an example. Generally when people provide examples I wonder why, if they thought I could not grasp the facts before my eyes, that I would somehow understand their completely fictional example. But in this case it's really helpful because it clearly shows that you are wrong.

In the case of the t-shirt sales the contract could very well have been for only a certain period of time. As in your example, when that time ended and the license was expired, they would have to stop selling them. I can't buy a license to SELL a product for one year, and then interpret that to mean that I may sell in perpetuity, provided I MADE the products within that year. What's happened is that the merchandise didn't sell and they're probably marking it down, but even if not, it's competing with his current merchandise.

It may very well be that he has already been paid something because it seems like there would have been some clear statement of financial settlement that included the rights to everything. But that's not fair to say. The record companies have been ripping off artists since the very beginning of pop music.

[Anonymous]

Yup = with boring predictability the most innocuous statement becomes an opportunity for more Moz-hating. OF COURSE it's HIS fault - for no longer being signed to Polydor, for being "money-obsessed", for issuing too many statements (stop copy and pasting them from TTY then?), for not releasing new material (which when released would inevitably be heavily criticized also). Why do you come here? And, more pertinently, what's the point of this site? Morrissey has made it clear what he thinks of it (and of David) and it's just a magnet for haters. Or rather people PRETENDING to hate, as people who were genuinely through with Moz wouldn't be posting here so regularly, they would presumably be getting on with their lives? Assuming they have lives, of course.

This.

[Tibby]

I don`t think Morrissey is money hungry because of this.Artists deserve to be paid for their work just like anybody else does.His image is part of that.I don`t see how that is being greedy.

[Anonymous]

I don`t think Morrissey is money hungry because of this.Artists deserve to be paid for their work just like anybody else does.His image is part of that.I don`t see how that is being greedy.

This.

[Anonymous]

This.

Someday you'll find the words to say it yourself.

[Johnny Barleycorn]

Imagine getting lumbered with loads of Swords merchandise. Poor sods.

[Anonymous]

Someday you'll find the words to say it yourself.
That.

[shawnxvx]

maybe he can set up his own webstore now then. so i can purchase all the merch i would have in chicago if they took credit cards.

[Anonymous]

This. .

[Buzzetta]

Thanks for providing an example. Generally when people provide examples I wonder why, if they thought I could not grasp the facts before my eyes, that I would somehow understand their completely fictional example. But in this case it's really helpful because it clearly shows that you are wrong.

In the case of the t-shirt sales the contract could very well have been for only a certain period of time. As in your example, when that time ended and the license was expired, they would have to stop selling them. I can't buy a license to SELL a product for one year, and then interpret that to mean that I may sell in perpetuity, provided I MADE the products within that year. What's happened is that the merchandise didn't sell and they're probably marking it down, but even if not, it's competing with his current merchandise.

It may very well be that he has already been paid something because it seems like there would have been some clear statement of financial settlement that included the rights to everything. But that's not fair to say. The record companies have been ripping off artists since the very beginning of pop music.


1 - You may be able to grasp the message without a provided example. If you have been around these parts long enough you know that there are some that are incapable of understanding a scenario without an example. Apologies if I offended your intellect.

2 - Your scenario may be correct but it may also not be incorrect. Again I will cite the current Lego license. (I sell a lot of things on the side) This year Mega Blocks lost the Marvel license to Lego. When Lego begins to ship their Avengers sets and sets related to other Marvel properties there will be an overlap. The merchandise will be in direct competition with other building toys regarding the same property. This is common.

3 - Neither of us may know the full details but I am at a point where I no longer fully believe anything that comes out of this artists mouth regarding how the world treats him, quotes him, and acts towards him. As someone else said he should concentrate on making quality music - something that he has not concentrated on in a few years.

And now... back to other things... see you all in another month.

[Anonymous]

for not releasing new material (which when released would inevitably be heavily criticized also). Why do you come here?

I agree with this statement. It seems people complain about not hearing unreleased songs, and whine about the poeple not sharing. But when they are leaked, people complain and criticize the songs. Same with his albums, people complain about nothing being released and then it's released and people crticize it. I also remember people always saying Moz should let Boz and Alain go and get new song writers. Well, Alain left, Jessie came in, and now people are complaining about Jessie and how Alain was the best thing that ever happened to Morrissey solo years.

make up your mind people...

[Anonymous]

They only have ONE t-shirt for sale on the site. So all this fuss seems to be about nothing!!

[billybu69]

They only have ONE t-shirt for sale on the site. So all this fuss seems to be about nothing!!

Yes, but when they sell it he wants his 30p

[Anonymous]

This.

wtf is this supposed to mean? I think you're the only moron in on the joke.

[Anonymous]

I agree with this statement. It seems people complain about not hearing unreleased songs, and whine about the poeple not sharing. But when they are leaked, people complain and criticize the songs. Same with his albums, people complain about nothing being released and then it's released and people crticize it. I also remember people always saying Moz should let Boz and Alain go and get new song writers. Well, Alain left, Jessie came in, and now people are complaining about Jessie and how Alain was the best thing that ever happened to Morrissey solo years.

make up your mind people...

I think, when people complained about Alain & Boz, they had in mind the possibility that he might get better musicians into the band, not worse ones. Why has that been so difficult for you to grasp?

[Anonymous]

Bravado is one of the most Vicious companies around....For years, they would Claim to own the T-Shirt rights to bands like Depeche Mode, etc....But, instead of actually printing decent shirts for stores to carry, they would rather Threaten lawsuits...and Extort money from stores carrying "un-official" Merchandise.....If they would have Actually produced the merchandise, and made it available, nobody would carry these other shirts. Good for Morrissey, I hope he Sues these pieces of Crap--!!

[Anonymous]

1 - You may be able to grasp the message without a provided example. If you have been around these parts long enough you know that there are some that are incapable of understanding a scenario without an example. Apologies if I offended your intellect.

2 - Your scenario may be correct but it may also not be incorrect. Again I will cite the current Lego license. (I sell a lot of things on the side) This year Mega Blocks lost the Marvel license to Lego. When Lego begins to ship their Avengers sets and sets related to other Marvel properties there will be an overlap. The merchandise will be in direct competition with other building toys regarding the same property. This is common.

3 - Neither of us may know the full details but I am at a point where I no longer fully believe anything that comes out of this artists mouth regarding how the world treats him, quotes him, and acts towards him. As someone else said he should concentrate on making quality music - something that he has not concentrated on in a few years.

And now... back to other things... see you all in another month.

I was just having fun because you stated that nobody really knows the truth and then told Morrissey to stop whining. If it's true that they only have one t-shirt for sale as someone said, then Morrissey may have made this plea just to keep in practice. Thank you for using the cool 1,2,3 bullets. Point 2 is the relevant issue. I don't know how well audited some of these merchandise sales are. I read an example of a band catching the merchandisers at their show using a lower grade of t-shirt and demanding that they lower the prices to the fans. This implied that that it's all sourced out. At the end of the tour I'll bet there is often some funny business with remaining stock. But then some shirts are sold online while the tour is still on, so those are obviously easy to audit. I'm thinking about different ways those shirts could be hidden from the artist and management, maybe when a run has a slight flaw and is marked as destroyed.
Anyway, though Morrissey may be worth millions he surely doesn't want to go broke on this tour and selling shirts is part of it. Obviously there are a lot more people that like Star Wars than like Morrissey because that's the sort of infantile escapism that flourishes in this society and culture. Whatever, Star Wars can afford to compete with itself, and you can bet that the numbers on the licensed Star Wars toys come very close to being the exact number produced, at least to a far greater degree than you could hope from a bunch of rock concert merchandisers, who I imagine are sort of like a carnival run by the mob. If I'm David Rockefeller and I own controlling shares in two banks, when you switch from one to the other, I won't be mad. I'll give you a toaster! But Morrissey has to sell shirts or else he has to get into his retirement fund.