Article: Re-releases: "Viva Hate" (Mar. 26, 2012) and "Suedehead" (Apr. 23, 2012)- tr

[goinghome]

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[Ready With Ready-Wit]

Why with the Old English Morrissey? Why?

[Anonymous]

Why do you comment, WHY??????????

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

Why do you comment, WHY??????????

I could've made that shit on MS Paint. :straightface:

I'm sure those stupid Moz Krew goons are going to just lurv it.

[Anonymous]

I love anything and everything that Morrissey puts out.

[VivaGil]

I just bought an original one on vinyl.

[sdsuedehead]

why the hell leave off Ordinary Boys? is it really so hard to add the throw away track to the end of the CD?

[Anonymous]

Re-issue ! Re-package ! Re-package !
Re-evaluate the songs.

*yawn*

At this point Moz is only re(re)leasing records to pay for his rentboy addiction...

[Anonymous]

neat! hopefully the first of many lp vinyl re-issues. bring on vauxhall!!! stupid to not include ordinary boys though... such a stunner! good thing that i own the original (on cassette, cd and vinyl, no less).

[Anonymous]

I can't remember the last time Morrissey said, did or wrote anything for which I could feel any respect whatsoever.

Hang your head in shame, Steven, you fucking hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

Re-issue ! Re-package ! Re-package !
Re-evaluate the songs.

*yawn*

At this point Moz is only re(re)leasing records to pay for his rentboy addiction...

I love Morrissey, but this comment really made me laugh. He probably DOES have a rentboy addiction, (which is an addiction to male prostitutes), but I still love him, regardless.

[Pokey]

God this is getting old.

[lostsoul2]

this has to stop ...... i love moz ..but same old gets boring i bought them all from the very start. even i have to stop now

[Anonymous]

Yes, the font is bad. Looks pretty amateurish. I don't mind the re-re-releases etc... but make it worth while I don't care so much about "previously unseen" pictures or whatever. I want some alternate versions/acoustic versions, unreleased stuff etc... My only hope is that maybe Treat Me Like A Human Being will be a finished version and not just the demo that was already released last year.

Oh, and the B-Sides to the Suedehead re-mix, dissapointing...

But I'll probably still buy them...

[Anonymous]

Yes, the font is bad. Looks pretty amateurish. I don't mind the re-re-releases etc... but make it worth while I don't care so much about "previously unseen" pictures or whatever. I want some alternate versions/acoustic versions, unreleased stuff etc... My only hope is that maybe Treat Me Like A Human Being will be a finished version and not just the demo that was already released last year.

Oh, and the B-Sides to the Suedehead re-mix, dissapointing...

But I'll probably still buy them...

"Fools and their money..."

[Anonymous]

for all you haters, don't forget that this record was released almost 25 years ago! for those who bought it when it came out (i did), this fact only make us feel old. but keep in mind that there is a new crop of moz fans who deserve to hear these albums on something better than crap mp3s or hissy old cd's. re-mastering is not the devil people. the only thing that bothers me is his revisionist stance towards the tracklisting... i haven't heard 'human being' but it better be daaaamnnn good to replace 'ordinary boys'! i hope this george lucas shit ends soon... i'd really hate to hear 'oh phoney' in the place of 'driving your girlfriend home'. kudos for bringing in stephen street though! i really don't think i'd bother otherwise.

[Anonymous]

I see all of the Morrissey haters were out in full force tonight. Making a mockery of course out of something good that Morrissey did, as usual. Resorting to your evil cruel bullshit. Isn’t it. NME conformists, back stabbing fans. With fans like you things, who needs enemies. Mentioning despicable things. When the truth is that you would like to drink his babies. Being as you can’t, yous are accusing him of using prostitutes while abusing him every chance you can. While he is still a lyrical genius and the most handsome man in the planet.
You are trying to intimidate him with your anti Viva Hate antics. Tragic really.
Give it up NME clones. We don’t give a f**k.

We Are The Same

[Anonymous]

I could've made that shit on MS Paint. :straightface:

I'm sure those stupid Moz Krew goons are going to just lurv it.

you are a f**Ken goon just like the rest of them. Go away!!!

[Luke Action McClure]

Am I the only one who was excited to read about this? So many useless twonks on here, moaning their fucking boring arses off. Piss off, no one likes you. As for the unoriginal prick quoting 'Vulgar picture...' - really?

I agree that 'Ordinary boys' could've stayed on there. Other than that, no complaints. Will be buying the CD, LP, and the 'Suedehead' picture disc, because it's Morrissey and that is what I do

[Anonymous]

This is really exciting news. Why are you people complaining about it? Everybody on this site is so boring, poo-pooing Morrissey for re-releasing his old material, but you all would likely complain if he didn't re-release anything at all. It's impossible to win with people like you. If it bothers you so terribly much, don't buy it. I'm sure plenty of people who actually like Morrissey will make up for your loss. No wonder Morrissey hates this site, what a load of nutcases.

[Anonymous]

for all you haters, don't forget that this record was released almost 25 years ago! for those who bought it when it came out (i did), this fact only make us feel old. but keep in mind that there is a new crop of moz fans who deserve to hear these albums on something better than crap mp3s or hissy old cd's. re-mastering is not the devil people. the only thing that bothers me is his revisionist stance towards the tracklisting... i haven't heard 'human being' but it better be daaaamnnn good to replace 'ordinary boys'! i hope this george lucas shit ends soon... i'd really hate to hear 'oh phoney' in the place of 'driving your girlfriend home'. kudos for bringing in stephen street though! i really don't think i'd bother otherwise.

It is readily available for sale still to this day. People who may not have heard it don't need it re released.

[Anonymous]

This is a missed opportunity. A decent re-release of Viva Hate would include all 12 original songs plus:

Please Help the Cause
Hairdresser on Fire
Oh Well, I'll Never Learn
I Know Very Well How I Got My Name
Sister I'm a Poet
Will Never Marry
Disappointed
Dial a Cliche (early version)
Treat Me Like a Human Being
Safe Warm Lancashire Home
I Don't Want Us To Finish etc.

If it had been done properly then it could have been a worthwhile exercise.

[Anonymous]

Apart from the ridiculousness and hypocrisy of these releases, who the hell decided it would be a good idea to issue for sale a live rendition of "We'll Let You Know" which is, to all intents and purposes, identical to the version that appeared - almost twenty years ago - on "Beethoven Was Deaf"?

[Anonymous]

Have to agree that dropping ordinay boys seems like a mistake, lovely song even if the band it inspired were awful!

[Anonymous]

Strange!
Why did Morrissey put a "vauxhall and I" pic (it looks like 1994) as the back photo of the remastered Viva Hate???

[Stoned]

The hunt is on for the First Promos to appear!
Cheers Moz

[Anonymous]

This is really exciting news. Why are you people complaining about it? Everybody on this site is so boring, poo-pooing Morrissey for re-releasing his old material, but you all would likely complain if he didn't re-release anything at all. It's impossible to win with people like you. If it bothers you so terribly much, don't buy it. I'm sure plenty of people who actually like Morrissey will make up for your loss. No wonder Morrissey hates this site, what a load of nutcases.

I think it's more of a case of his hypocrisy, he constantly releasing old material when it seemed to bother him terribly that other people do it.
Now i don't think the people who complain about it would complain if he didn't re-release, more the people who do like it(you were making people up in your own head there).

[celibate]

this has to stop ...... i love moz ..but same old gets boring i bought them all from the very start. even i have to stop now

Amen, last year Bona Drag, and the viva hate single ' every day is like sunday'

but as Morrissey said he hasn't had a cheque from EMI/Warner/reprise since 1992

Morrissey first album on another label was Southpaw Grammar, he took over the Smityhs deal, 5 albums
for EMI

so I think Morrissey will announce NOT to buy it very soon on TTY

[Anonymous]

Apart from the ridiculousness and hypocrisy of these releases, who the hell decided it would be a good idea to issue for sale a live rendition of "We'll Let You Know" which is, to all intents and purposes, identical to the version that appeared - almost twenty years ago - on "Beethoven Was Deaf"?

Dear son,

I told Him to put "We'll Let You Know".
Thank you very much.

we'll let you know

[Peterb]

Dear son,

I told Him to put "We'll Let You Know".
Thank you very much.

we'll let you know
Hey 'We'll Let you Know', where you been? I've missed you!

[Anonymous]

God, that font is atrocious.

[Anonymous]

It is readily available for sale still to this day. People who may not have heard it don't need it re released.

availablity is not the issue. it's the fact that it was mastered digitally by 1988 standards. to illustrate this, listen to your old viva hate cd next to years of refusal and note the difference in sound quality, volume, etc. this is why re-mastering is important, which is the point that i think you missed. if you're happy with the way viva hate currently sounds, don't buy the reissue.

[Anonymous]

Hey 'We'll Let you Know', where you been? I've missed you!

Dear friend Peterb,

Where I've been? Seasick, Yet Still Docked.
People Are The Same Everywhere all the time on Solow, so, I decide to spend my time editing certain authobiography until Late Night every day (now, That's Entertainment!) - at my flat in Maudlin Street.
But I'm reading your posts, such a precious Glamorous Glue they are to me, indeed, they are Golden Lights among this Oscillate Wildly pamflets from gigantic bunch of Half A Persons from Solow.
If you cross Maudlin Street one of this days, pop up for green tea and jaffa cakes (strawberry injection), we could spin Ouija Board. After all, there is always Place In Hell For Me And My Friends.
Carry on, Sing Your Life!

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

availablity is not the issue. it's the fact that it was mastered digitally by 1988 standards. to illustrate this, listen to your old viva hate cd next to years of refusal and note the difference in sound quality, volume, etc. this is why re-mastering is important, which is the point that i think you missed. if you're happy with the way viva hate currently sounds, don't buy the reissue.

I only care about song quality. The original Viva Hate sounds as beautiful as it did the day I bought it and that goes for the vinyl version too. I could listen to a cassette of that album and be taken by it's lyrics and melodies with no problems whatsoever. Re mastering is bogus.

[Anonymous]

I see all of the Morrissey haters were out in full force tonight. Making a mockery of course out of something good that Morrissey did, as usual. Resorting to your evil cruel bullshit. Isn’t it. NME conformists, back stabbing fans. With fans like you things, who needs enemies. Mentioning despicable things. When the truth is that you would like to drink his babies. Being as you can’t, yous are accusing him of using prostitutes while abusing him every chance you can. While he is still a lyrical genius and the most handsome man in the planet.
You are trying to intimidate him with your anti Viva Hate antics. Tragic really.
Give it up NME clones. We don’t give a f**k.

We Are The Same

Well said. Anyone posting here who hates Morrissey, just one question needs to be asked of you, why don't you fuck off and find something else to do with your time?

[Anonymous]

Why do you comment, WHY??????????

It genuinely looks awful. Is there some reason Moz doesn't bother with professional design/typography these days? The Refusal stuff, especially the singles, was embarassing.

[No.27]

availablity is not the issue. it's the fact that it was mastered digitally by 1988 standards. to illustrate this, listen to your old viva hate cd next to years of refusal and note the difference in sound quality, volume, etc. this is why re-mastering is important, which is the point that i think you missed. if you're happy with the way viva hate currently sounds, don't buy the reissue.

Don't try to defend the fucking indefensible. Re-mastering is important? Because the average listener is so aurally sophisticated in their nuanced appreciation of pop songs that it makes a significant difference? Fuck off. Nobody really believes that.

If we discount the mentally ill fuckwits who, in a self-defeating quest for distinction, can't sleep in their beds at night until they've amassed at least a dozen identical copies of every recording, then the only people that re-mastering is important to are the people employed in the music industry. Just as the introduction of compact discs in the 1980s allowed record companies to increase the shelf-life of albums on the pretext that the latest technology provided the consumer with "a more authentic audio experience", so to the "re-mastering" of old albums in the twenty-first century is just the latest method of maintaining sales of products for which there would otherwise no longer be a viable market. Morrissey, of course, is happy to accept this corporate crap because he's desperate for EMI to put out his next (and, if there's any justice, last) album.

If you truly believe that re-mastered recordings are "important" because they offer the listener an enhanced experience worth paying actual money for, then you're even stupider than you have to be to be a Morrissey fan in 2012.

No.27

[Anonymous]

Well said. Anyone posting here who hates Morrissey, just one question needs to be asked of you, why don't you fuck off and find something else to do with your time?

There is a certain type of Morrissey fan that has over the years been a constant sense of embarrassment to me. The ones that that grovel at his every bowel movement, swoon over every release and accept any of his bizarre and obnoxious comments as the word of god. And the above is one of them. You're vegetables hooked up intraveneously to his every flinch and as soon as anyone makes a criticism you call them haters.

[Anonymous]

Strange!
Why did Morrissey put a "vauxhall and I" pic (it looks like 1994) as the back photo of the remastered Viva Hate???

He didn't. That pic is from 1988. Get some glasses.

[Anonymous]

Don't try to defend the fucking indefensible. Re-mastering is important? Because the average listener is so aurally sophisticated in their nuanced appreciation of pop songs that it makes a significant difference? Fuck off. Nobody really believes that.

If we discount the mentally ill fuckwits who, in a self-defeating quest for distinction, can't sleep in their beds at night until they've amassed at least a dozen identical copies of every recording, then the only people that re-mastering is important to are the people employed in the music industry. Just as the introduction of compact discs in the 1980s allowed record companies to increase the shelf-life of albums on the pretext that the latest technology provided the consumer with "a more authentic audio experience", so to the "re-mastering" of old albums in the twenty-first century is just the latest method of maintaining sales of products for which there would otherwise no longer be a viable market. Morrissey, of course, is happy to accept this corporate crap because he's desperate for EMI to put out his next (and, if there's any justice, last) album.

If you truly believe that re-mastered recordings are "important" because they offer the listener an enhanced experience worth paying actual money for, then you're even stupider than you have to be to be a Morrissey fan in 2012.

No.27

Couldn't have put it better myself. I just couldn't be bothered with as many words as you used for the total twat telling me remastering is important.

[Anonymous]

Don't try to defend the fucking indefensible. Re-mastering is important? Because the average listener is so aurally sophisticated in their nuanced appreciation of pop songs that it makes a significant difference? Fuck off. Nobody really believes that.

If we discount the mentally ill fuckwits who, in a self-defeating quest for distinction, can't sleep in their beds at night until they've amassed at least a dozen identical copies of every recording, then the only people that re-mastering is important to are the people employed in the music industry. Just as the introduction of compact discs in the 1980s allowed record companies to increase the shelf-life of albums on the pretext that the latest technology provided the consumer with "a more authentic audio experience", so to the "re-mastering" of old albums in the twenty-first century is just the latest method of maintaining sales of products for which there would otherwise no longer be a viable market. Morrissey, of course, is happy to accept this corporate crap because he's desperate for EMI to put out his next (and, if there's any justice, last) album.

If you truly believe that re-mastered recordings are "important" because they offer the listener an enhanced experience worth paying actual money for, then you're even stupider than you have to be to be a Morrissey fan in 2012.

No.27

yes, i'm a stupid morrissey fan. but wait, you're here too, talking shit on a morrissey fan page, hmmm. and yeah, how desperate of moz, to update the sonics of a record he made 25 years ago. i suppose that digital technology was perfected back in the 80s, and surely never could be improved upon. no self-respecting artist would ever consider such a sad attempt to stay relevant... maybe with the possible exception of, um, the cure, echo and the bunnymen, the beatles, velvet underground, new order, orange juice, siouxsie, bob dylan, and the smiths - just a handful of the many who've remastered their catalog over the last several years. if it is important enough to remain in the marketplace after all these years, it may as well look and sound it's best. again, if you're happy with what you've got, then cool, don't buy it.

and for that guy who called me a "total twat", i say better that than a complete asshole.

[Anonymous]

I really think this string of re-issues is completely indefensible.

Morrissey was (and therefore is) a great artist. His recent songs, in recent years, however just lack the spark. This isn't traditional Smiths-sentimentalism . We're talking about musicality (or rather - lack of musicality). I speak of the post-Viva Hate stuff. The most recent songs in particular are just so amateur. Silly guitar riffs, sloppy structures. And certainly no spark.

I cherish much of work. He is a true artist. He will continue to sing and continues to have many full concerts; sell-outs, I don't doubt. But I won't be there. It's uncomfortable to watch Morrissey, who I have so much respect for, sit back and let the record companies reissue these albums unnecessarily - because it can only be for money.

[No.27]

yes, i'm a stupid morrissey fan. but wait, you're here too, talking shit on a morrissey fan page, hmmm. and yeah, how desperate of moz, to update the sonics of a record he made 25 years ago. i suppose that digital technology was perfected back in the 80s, and surely never could be improved upon. no self-respecting artist would ever consider such a sad attempt to stay relevant... maybe with the possible exception of, um, the cure, echo and the bunnymen, the beatles, velvet underground, new order, orange juice, siouxsie, bob dylan, and the smiths - just a handful of the many who've remastered their catalog over the last several years. if it is important enough to remain in the marketplace after all these years, it may as well look and sound it's best. again, if you're happy with what you've got, then cool, don't buy it.

First, look at that list of groups you mentioned and then ask yourself what they have in common. They're not exactly the epitome of "hip" anymore, are they? Not exactly chart-toppers and not really making "relevant" music anymore, as far as I'm aware. I think, when pop groups come to rely on albums they recorded decades ago, you know that they've become anything but "relevant".

No.27

[Anonymous]

This is a missed opportunity. A decent re-release of Viva Hate would include all 12 original songs plus:

Please Help the Cause
Hairdresser on Fire
Oh Well, I'll Never Learn
I Know Very Well How I Got My Name
Sister I'm a Poet
Will Never Marry
Disappointed
Dial a Cliche (early version)
Treat Me Like a Human Being
Safe Warm Lancashire Home
I Don't Want Us To Finish etc.

If it had been done properly then it could have been a worthwhile exercise.

totally right. i don't know why the past re-issues haven't kept the songs in some kind of era order - because the street/morrissey sound was quite distinctive and the songs you mention all flow. i actually found lots of the re-issues like bona drag i think that had the langer/street material - then suddenly an alan whyte or boz song really jarring. it seems missmash. oh and the southpaw one had songs that clearly weren't recorded with the same sound in mind (i think fantastic bird was from your arsnel era?). it didn't fix at all - is morrissey making these calls or record executives who dont care?

appalling amateurish artwork too. they could have got a 1st year design student and they would have made a better job. the font looks like someone's dad 'designed' it - yes in MS paint as someone said.. how can morrissey or EMI release stuff like this which isnt even packaged professionally?

[Anonymous]

There is a certain type of Morrissey fan that has over the years been a constant sense of embarrassment to me. The ones that that grovel at his every bowel movement, swoon over every release and accept any of his bizarre and obnoxious comments as the word of god. And the above is one of them. You're vegetables hooked up intraveneously to his every flinch and as soon as anyone makes a criticism you call them haters.

I don't buy this. Fans don't speak this way. No way. O.Gay? You say "sense of embarrassment to me". Wtf. Dumb cun*. Who the f*** is 'you' ? You ain't no fan.What is your intent? You his friend? I don't buy it.



Viva Kate

[pashernateee]

Treat Me Like A Human Being??? replacing Ordinary Boys?? WTF -- like deleting Roy's Keen from Maladjusted. Mistake.

[Anonymous]

He didn't. That pic is from 1988. Get some glasses.

No it's not. Morrissey didn't have sideburns in 1988.

[Anonymous]

yes, i'm a stupid morrissey fan. but wait, you're here too, talking shit on a morrissey fan page, hmmm. and yeah, how desperate of moz, to update the sonics of a record he made 25 years ago. i suppose that digital technology was perfected back in the 80s, and surely never could be improved upon. no self-respecting artist would ever consider such a sad attempt to stay relevant... maybe with the possible exception of, um, the cure, echo and the bunnymen, the beatles, velvet underground, new order, orange juice, siouxsie, bob dylan, and the smiths - just a handful of the many who've remastered their catalog over the last several years. if it is important enough to remain in the marketplace after all these years, it may as well look and sound it's best. again, if you're happy with what you've got, then cool, don't buy it.

and for that guy who called me a "total twat", i say better that than a complete asshole.

lol yeah "staying relevant" is all about digital perfection. Wow you really have your finger on Mozzer's pulse don't you? Btw it was me who called you a total twat you dumb cunt :)

[Anonymous]

I don't buy this. Fans don't speak this way. No way. O.Gay? You say "sense of embarrassment to me". Wtf. Dumb cun*. Who the f*** is 'you' ? You ain't no fan.What is your intent? You his friend? I don't buy it.



Viva Kate

I have no reply other than to say I hope you are getting the help you need and that the 4 walls that surround you are soft :)

[Anonymous]

No it's not. Morrissey didn't have sideburns in 1988.

Whatever length his sideburns are he is not 34 years old in that pic a la Vauxhall.

[Anonymous]

I have no reply other than to say I hope you are getting the help you need and that the 4 walls that surround you are soft :)

Excuse you? Again,who the f*** is you? Yo,you got issues. Don't even speak to me freak. I see your pansy ass evaded sayin who they is. Surprised much by your own lies you putz? Like a fan would ever utter "to me". Learn to word your sentences in the future loser if you're going to continue playing the role of a fan pansy ass. And the only thing "soft" as you call it is that lump of mashed potatoes between your legs. I'd like to smash it pansy ass.ta ta




Viva Kate

[Anonymous]

And another thing, why is it that you use those stupid smiley faces for? They is stupid and make me sick. Remove them.


Viva Kate

[Peterb]

Dear friend Peterb,

Where I've been? Seasick, Yet Still Docked.
People Are The Same Everywhere all the time on Solow, so, I decide to spend my time editing certain authobiography until Late Night every day (now, That's Entertainment!) - at my flat in Maudlin Street.
But I'm reading your posts, such a precious Glamorous Glue they are to me, indeed, they are Golden Lights among this Oscillate Wildly pamflets from gigantic bunch of Half A Persons from Solow.
If you cross Maudlin Street one of this days, pop up for green tea and jaffa cakes (strawberry injection), we could spin Ouija Board. After all, there is always Place In Hell For Me And My Friends.
Carry on, Sing Your Life!

we'll let you know
Thanks for the reply.
Glad you're doing well.
Take Care.

[Peterb]

Don't try to defend the fucking indefensible. Re-mastering is important? Because the average listener is so aurally sophisticated in their nuanced appreciation of pop songs that it makes a significant difference? Fuck off. Nobody really believes that.

If we discount the mentally ill fuckwits who, in a self-defeating quest for distinction, can't sleep in their beds at night until they've amassed at least a dozen identical copies of every recording, then the only people that re-mastering is important to are the people employed in the music industry. Just as the introduction of compact discs in the 1980s allowed record companies to increase the shelf-life of albums on the pretext that the latest technology provided the consumer with "a more authentic audio experience", so to the "re-mastering" of old albums in the twenty-first century is just the latest method of maintaining sales of products for which there would otherwise no longer be a viable market. Morrissey, of course, is happy to accept this corporate crap because he's desperate for EMI to put out his next (and, if there's any justice, last) album.

If you truly believe that re-mastered recordings are "important" because they offer the listener an enhanced experience worth paying actual money for, then you're even stupider than you have to be to be a Morrissey fan in 2012.

No.27
Hey No. 27, whilst I have to agree with what you say about completists collecting various versions of the same record, you spoil it all by insulting anyone merely because they like Morrissey! I really like Morrissey records, does that make me stupid? (I know I'm really asking for it with that question!).

[No.27]

Hey No. 27, whilst I have to agree with what you say about completists collecting various versions of the same record, you spoil it all by insulting anyone merely because they like Morrissey! I really like Morrissey records, does that make me stupid? (I know I'm really asking for it with that question!).

Hello Peterb, no I don't think you're stupid at all. I really like Morrissey's music too (well, some of it, at least), but I think it's possible to distinguish between liking the music and liking the man.

No.27

[Peterb]

Hello Peterb, no I don't think you're stupid at all. I really like Morrissey's music too (well, some of it, at least), but I think it's possible to distinguish between liking the music and liking the man.

No.27
Good point! To a large extent, the man is irrelevant, in 100 years the music will be all that's left.

[Anonymous]

Just been told by someone who has a CD promo that the version of Treat Me Like A Human Being is exactly the same as the demo on Glamorous Glue B-side so not a better version as hoped.

[mozbcuz]

if they leave ordinary boys out its not a true reissue. add all the songs you want but don't leave any out.

[Anonymous]

Good point! To a large extent, the man is irrelevant, in 100 years the music will be all that's left.

Now that is what I'm telling you all the time. Considernig art - from The Smiths to the YOR, and beyond - His legacy is majestic benchmark.
Celebrate that!, Solowists, when you still have the time; all in all, you are - passer by.
Morrissey will stay Forever!

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

The suggestion that there may be a "do not buy this" statement from Morrissey seems unlikely since the release is on True To You and we all know that the information posted on there is posted with Morrissey's agreement at very least.

[celibate]

Now that is what I'm telling you all the time. Considernig art - from The Smiths to the YOR, and beyond - His legacy is majestic benchmark.
Celebrate that!, Solowists, when you still have the time; all in all, you are - passer by.
Morrissey will stay Forever!

we'll let you know

my youth pictures also, and my my ashes will be put in a wall with all
sorta Dutch china-ware, knows as Delfts blue...all been official, just
keep on paying my 3 monthly payment about 18 euroos

so celebrate that, Smiths lovers

Morrissey&Marr&Rourke&the Drummer, and I stay Forever.

[even Grant Ghowbiz&Jo Slee]

Just adding this release is another ' WTF?' , and if they even
tried they had gonna come with Bona Drag part 2, the songs that never
released, the early solo years 1988-90

[Peterb]

Now that is what I'm telling you all the time. Considernig art - from The Smiths to the YOR, and beyond - His legacy is majestic benchmark.
Celebrate that!, Solowists, when you still have the time; all in all, you are - passer by.
Morrissey will stay Forever!

we'll let you know
Is this the real 'We'll Let you Know'? Regardless, I agree.
I don't think I'm a mindless fanboy, but I think the mans output is fantastic, right from the Smiths up to Years of Refusal.

[Anonymous]

Re-issue ! Re-package ! Re-package !
Re-evaluate the songs.

*yawn*

At this point Moz is only re(re)leasing records to pay for his rentboy addiction...

So far... This little snip-it of a comment has to win first prize! " rentboy"...? Hilarious and most likely true. But how much does a rentboy go for?? 100GBP should take care of him and doesn't require the re-assembling and re-hashing of a 25 year old record... Unless Morrissey calls this re-re-release, " VIVA RENTBOY"!!
complete with pullout porno poster and life size blow up doll of a series of dozens of rentboys in Her Majesties Secret Service!
Enjoy and fire away....

[Anonymous]

No... No... He should call this record, "VIVA FIST"!!

[Peterb]

No... No... He should call this record, "VIVA FIST"!!
That is gross!

[chrisarclark]

this is terrible- useless.

[Thesmithsmorrissey]

Am I the only one who thinks this artwork/typography is an improvement over the original? I thought the new layout/design of the 2010 Bona Drag reissue was a marked improvement over the original, and this one has the same gothic tone/typography, it would seem.

As happy as I am to soon be owning a remastered edition of Viva Hate, I have a love/hate relationship with Mozzer's askewed sense of historic revisionism. You can change the design, add celebratory liner notes and all the "Stunning unseen photographs" you want, but when you start tampering with the tracklisting in a way such as this, you're bound to piss the loyalists off while at the same time cheapening the overall legacy of the album.

Dropping "Ordinary Boys" for ANY reason is just foolish on Morrissey's part, as it is a truly beautiful song that appears late in the album, helping ot make the whole record engaging. To drop it in favour of substandard b-side fare such as "Treat Me Like a Human Being" makes no sense, especially when Ordinary Boys is sandwiched between two much better candidates for exclusion like "Break Up the Family" and "I Don't Mind If You Forget Me". If any song on the album had to go in favour of a new addition, I doubt any loyal fan would mind much if BUTF was hatched, seeing as it was pointlessly added in remastered form to last year's Very Best Of compilation.

Instead, one of the album's prettiest tracks gets axed in place of a b-side that was ALREADY RELEASED less than a year ago on another older single's pointless re-release.

I will be buying the VH reissue on vinyl and CD, as well as the Suedehead picture disc with the unreleased b-sides, but only because I'm a hardcore obsessive. And buying this product gives me ample right to bitch and complain about it, especially when you're dropping excellent songs for already-released lesser material.

[Anonymous]

That is gross!

Oh No! VIVA FIST?... BONA FIST?... KILL FIST?... fast forwards to YOU ARE THE FISTER... RINGLEADER OF THE FISTERS.. YEARS OF FISTING... now that IS gross!

[FROSTY]

Just been told by someone who has a CD promo that the version of Treat Me Like A Human Being is exactly the same as the demo on Glamorous Glue B-side so not a better version as hoped.


..what a shame... I wonder if it is revisionism or if there is a legal necessity in not having the release being identical?

[FROSTY]

if they leave ordinary boys out its not a true reissue. add all the songs you want but don't leave any out.


Well said... but he can do whatever he wants, the original is still well avaialble. I wonder if re-tracking allows for re-charting? ~Frost

[Anonymous]

buying this product gives me ample right to bitch and complain about it

I think, in fact, the precise opposite is the case.

[Anonymous]

Dear friend Peterb,

Where I've been? Seasick, Yet Still Docked.
People Are The Same Everywhere all the time on Solow, so, I decide to spend my time editing certain authobiography until Late Night every day (now, That's Entertainment!) - at my flat in Maudlin Street.
But I'm reading your posts, such a precious Glamorous Glue they are to me, indeed, they are Golden Lights among this Oscillate Wildly pamflets from gigantic bunch of Half A Persons from Solow.
If you cross Maudlin Street one of this days, pop up for green tea and jaffa cakes (strawberry injection), we could spin Ouija Board. After all, there is always Place In Hell For Me And My Friends.
Carry on, Sing Your Life!

we'll let you know

Morrissey is here - AGAIN!

[Anonymous]

my youth pictures also, and my my ashes will be put in a wall with all
sorta Dutch china-ware, knows as Delfts blue...all been official, just
keep on paying my 3 monthly payment about 18 euroos

so celebrate that, Smiths lovers

Morrissey&Marr&Rourke&the Drummer, and I stay Forever.

[even Grant Ghowbiz&Jo Slee]

Just adding this release is another ' WTF?' , and if they even
tried they had gonna come with Bona Drag part 2, the songs that never
released, the early solo years 1988-90



I don't have your picture on my wall (and never will...). I decide: Go To Waste In The RIGHT Arms. You should to. As you know 'celibacy is the only real perversion' (Oscar Wilde).

[Anonymous]

Excuse you? Again,who the f*** is you? Yo,you got issues. Don't even speak to me freak. I see your pansy ass evaded sayin who they is. Surprised much by your own lies you putz? Like a fan would ever utter "to me". Learn to word your sentences in the future loser if you're going to continue playing the role of a fan pansy ass. And the only thing "soft" as you call it is that lump of mashed potatoes between your legs. I'd like to smash it pansy ass.ta ta




Viva Kate

Where did you learn to write? You write like a mental patient.

[Anonymous]

Why with the Old English Morrissey? Why?

for all the cholo moz fans out there.

[Anonymous]

You're all just desperate to buy something with Morrissey's name on it. If anyone told me they had a copy of Viva Hate with Ordinary Boys missing replaced by an awful song that was on last year's Best OF I'd call them what they were and tell them to go where they should. This is the shoddiest re release so far. I look forward to what kind of awful font and useless track listing he comes up with to ruin Vauxhall. Anyone remember that great moment in Boy Racer where he smashes that EMI Parlophone record? Seems kind of pointless now no? Just because Morrissey has decided to cash in doesn't mean we have to.

[Anonymous]

Don't get too excited fans outside of the U.K.! The picture disc for Suedehead is UK-only and is definitely NOT sold online... So if you live outside of the U.K., get ready to pay exorbinate amounts over the retail price on eBay...

[Anonymous]

meant EXORBITANT... not sure why my iPhone autocorrected that incorrectly??

[goinghome]

The Guardian reports - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/feb/16/morrissey-ordinary-boys

[Anonymous]

Where did you learn to write? You write like a mental patient.

Listen to me you punk. I am not the one coming on Morrissey's "fan site, hah fan site yeah right to trash the man. Isn't it? In fact, quite the contrast you goon. And I'm not in the mood for your chicanery and games. Don't you get it? You yes you may be his friend, but then we are the same.the same.

Truest to him and his music.

Always

Viva Kate

[mozlike]

Why not list a song that is appropriate to that era? Not seven years later.

[mozlike]

Big fan of the gatefold, however!

[suede_08]

Listen to your old viva hate cd next to years of refusal and note the difference in sound quality, volume, etc. this is why re-mastering is important, which is the point that i think you missed. if you're happy with the way viva hate currently sounds, don't buy the reissue.

Um, this difference is because Years of Refusal suffers from too much dynamic compression. I suggest you search the forums, there's been plenty of threads/posts about YOR's poor sound quality. A lot of fans cite "When I Last Spoke to Carol" as their favorite song on Refusal and it's no coincidence that the track was mastered better than all the other songs on the album. If you want to compare the two CDs, take a look at the following:

2009's Years of Refusal: http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=9493
1988 Viva Hate CD: http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=15566

Re-mastering is important but only when done correctly. The music industry doesn't have a great resume on remasters since all they want to do is jack the volume up and call it a "remaster." The improvements in D/A technology over twenty years doesn't mean shit when the record companies constantly squash the remasters. The latest Coldplay album, Mylo Xyloto, is a sad indicator of what's gone wrong in audio. And anytime you see the slogan "mastered for iTunes" run the other way fast.

[Anonymous]

availablity is not the issue. it's the fact that it was mastered digitally by 1988 standards. to illustrate this, listen to your old viva hate cd next to years of refusal and note the difference in sound quality, volume, etc. this is why re-mastering is important, which is the point that i think you missed. if you're happy with the way viva hate currently sounds, don't buy the reissue.

Yes but it was written and performed to Morrissey and Street's artistic standards. I'm sorry but when it comes to listening to music and especially Morrissey's music it's lyrical and melodic standards that I care about not digital compression and remastered engineering done 20 years later. I didn't miss your point at all. I gave it the necessary consideration, about 2 minutes and forgot about it. I happen to love the YOR album and Ringleaders even more and Quarry to a slightly lesser extent but if you're asking me to compare sound quality of Viva Hate to YOR it is impossible for me. Viva Hate makes me swoon, cry and sway even without getting off the couch. YOR is a great album to belt out but that's all. I own everything he's ever put out but I have to stop at the re releases. I don't hate Morrissey as some people like to post here about others who criticise re releases. I'm just calling it like it is. Pity I'm amongst the few and not many but I'm used to that after all I'm a Morrissey fan :)

[Anonymous]

"Ordinary Boys" is part of this record! It's like being a Star Wars fan at this point. Maybe he should re-record all his old albums with his new band because how many times can you turn up the sizzle on the high-hat? No, I really think he should start over with fresh tracks and a new approach. Lots of the songs are ripe for making into political slogans, or he could change the words to write about his more recent enemies that he didn't have in time to include on the original.
When he quits doing that he should call Irving Aziff and see if he can join the Eagles. He has cowboy shirts already. Also, I would like to see a reality show like the Osbournes but it would be Morrissey, Kristeen Young, and Baby Jeff, and it would be directed by John Waters, and Morrissey and Kristeen Young would sell Baby Jeff at Wal-Mart to buy some VHS headcleaner so they can get high and re-record The Queen Is Dead after Morrissey buys the rights with the money from his world tour.

[PonytheTony]

We'll let you know !!!!!!!!

How are you Pansie Pete I'm looking down on you from the 24/7 party in the clouds.

[Thesmithsmorrissey]

Mozzer should pull the ultimate "fuck you" swerve by self-releasing his tenth studio album and proclaiming "if it sells five million copies, you'll see a Smiths reunion"

wouldn't take long to reach those numbers with such a deal waiting for the world at the end.

Then, when the sales figure has been reached, he should come out and say "Thank you, and goodnight. That is my last album, and there will be no reunion of the Smiths. You wanted something to hate me for? Hate me for this then."

then His Mozzness can laugh all the way to the bank.

[billy scissors]

Mozzer should pull the ultimate "fuck you" swerve by self-releasing his tenth studio album and proclaiming "if it sells five million copies, you'll see a Smiths reunion"

wouldn't take long to reach those numbers with such a deal waiting for the world at the end.

Then, when the sales figure has been reached, he should come out and say "Thank you, and goodnight. That is my last album, and there will be no reunion of the Smiths. You wanted something to hate me for? Hate me for this then."

then His Mozzness can laugh all the way to the bank.

He's already laughing.At people who buy re-issues.

[molly mae morrissey]

Congrats Moz on your New Record! With the sad state of pop-music now-a-days, " Viva Hate is re-released again to pump some life into a semi- catatonic art form. Need proof? How about , " Glamorous Glue", being the U.K's # 4 selling single for 2011!?! Not surprising since the tune is one of Morrisseys best. But it's nearly 17 years old... Viva Hate 23-24 years old... Or maybe these records are new again cause they really are the best stuff out there.... Always....

[molly mae morrissey]

Ps..Friday Morning... From a macabre, grim & ghastly view point maybe a copy of this new Viva Hate will be worth something.. A la Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson records! Knew you'd like that one Morrissey. " Friday morning.. Dressed in black.. I won't be coming back..."

[Anonymous]

We'll let you know !!!!!!!!

How are you Pansie Pete I'm looking down on you from the 24/7 party in the clouds.


Tony with horse on LSD Pony,

Pansie Pete? I like that!

we'll let you know

[Amy]

Congrats Moz on your New Record! With the sad state of pop-music now-a-days, " Viva Hate is re-released again to pump some life into a semi- catatonic art form. Need proof? How about , " Glamorous Glue", being the U.K's # 4 selling single for 2011!?! Not surprising since the tune is one of Morrisseys best. But it's nearly 17 years old... Viva Hate 23-24 years old... Or maybe these records are new again cause they really are the best stuff out there.... Always....

That's best-selling vinyl single you simpering fool. This is not a 'new' record, it's a pointless chopped-up rehash of an ancient one. The only reason it ranked so high in the vinyl list is because that format is semi-obsolete and most modern artists wouldn't even think of issuing music on it.

[Amy]

Mozzer should pull the ultimate "fuck you" swerve by self-releasing his tenth studio album and proclaiming "if it sells five million copies, you'll see a Smiths reunion"

wouldn't take long to reach those numbers with such a deal waiting for the world at the end.

Then, when the sales figure has been reached, he should come out and say "Thank you, and goodnight. That is my last album, and there will be no reunion of the Smiths. You wanted something to hate me for? Hate me for this then."

then His Mozzness can laugh all the way to the bank.

I think Andy and Mike would die of excitement at the mere suggestion of a reunion...

[Thesmithsmorrissey]

I think Andy and Mike would die of excitement at the mere suggestion of a reunion...

exactly my point.

He can fool the fans and his former band mates all in one swoop with an ill-fated assurance

to be an extra big dick, he should hack out some deal with Johnny to be in on the whole ruse, then claim that they are working together every week "to make great music simply for ourselves".

[Thesmithsmorrissey]

That's best-selling vinyl single you simpering fool. This is not a 'new' record, it's a pointless chopped-up rehash of an ancient one. The only reason it ranked so high in the vinyl list is because that format is semi-obsolete and most modern artists wouldn't even think of issuing music on it.

looooolz

[Anonymous]

Don't fuck with nostalgia!

[Anonymous]

Cassettes from the 80's sound better than the CD remasters of today. They have a larger dynamic range as well.

[Anonymous]

Um, this difference is because Years of Refusal suffers from too much dynamic compression. I suggest you search the forums, there's been plenty of threads/posts about YOR's poor sound quality. A lot of fans cite "When I Last Spoke to Carol" as their favorite song on Refusal and it's no coincidence that the track was mastered better than all the other songs on the album. If you want to compare the two CDs, take a look at the following:

2009's Years of Refusal: http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=9493
1988 Viva Hate CD: http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=15566

Re-mastering is important but only when done correctly. The music industry doesn't have a great resume on remasters since all they want to do is jack the volume up and call it a "remaster." The improvements in D/A technology over twenty years doesn't mean shit when the record companies constantly squash the remasters. The latest Coldplay album, Mylo Xyloto, is a sad indicator of what's gone wrong in audio. And anytime you see the slogan "mastered for iTunes" run the other way fast.

I'm sure you're right, I'm no expert on the mastering process. I would hope that its done with as much care possible, especially since Street is involved. Viva Hate is so lovely, and I'd hate to hear it compressed to hell. I still think a little buff and polish might be a good thing... like a great old house needs a fresh coat of paint now and again. Unfortunately, the exclusion of Ordinary Boys kills it for me. Just please don't mess with Vauxhall when the inevitable rerelease comes around!

[Johnny Barleycorn]

Although dropping The Ordinary Boys is a strange decision I cannot wait to hear a decent version of Treat Me Like A Human Being. It's an absolutely classic Morrissey gem.

[Anonymous]

Sadly, I think what we all (well, most of us) are up against now is record companies using remasters to simply make them sound more appropriate for the idiots who listen to all their music through IPods and little earbuds. That's why most remasters are getting bad reviews. They pump up the volume, compress it to hell, and try to appeal to people who don't care enough about the sound of their favorite songs in the first place!