Article: Jarvis Cocker ''Jealous of Morrissey & The Smiths''

[MancGirl]

You can view the page at http://www.morrissey-solo.com/content/417-Jarvis-Cocker-Jealous-of-Morrissey-The-Smiths

[Anonymous]

Joan Collins has risen from the grave.

[Torn]

Jarvis Cocker is a nice and honest guy... and Pulp is a nice band.

[murder and desire]

It was obvious, The difference is Jarvis is a nice lad who is a giant fake. The Christopher Biggins of indie. Jarvis liked to pretend he was a misfit while going to virtually any indie event going. He liked to bitch about Moz while stealing his ideas and taking out any real depth and selling it with a disco beat. During the 80s Pulp were a Fall rip off band. In the 90s they were an empty art school, PC,media friendly version of the Smiths and Jarvis an empty Morrissey try to be.

[Anonymous]

It was obvious, The difference is Jarvis is a nice lad who is a giant fake. The Christopher Biggins of indie. Jarvis liked to pretend he was a misfit while going to virtually any indie event going. He liked to bitch about Moz while stealing his ideas and taking out any real depth and selling it with a disco beat. During the 80s Pulp were a Fall rip off band. In the 90s they were an empty art school, PC,media friendly version of the Smiths and Jarvis an empty Morrissey try to be.

err... I don't think you were actually there at the time. You can say what you like about Jarvis but he's always been honest and his character is a creation borne by influences and experience. His farah slacks no more "fake" than Moz's national health glasses or ladies blouses. And likening Pulp to the Fall is just idiotic. Jarvis is one of the brightest and wittiest lyricists we've had (comparable to Moz). Pulp were no more "media friendly" than the Smiths... explicit songs about drugs, about the elderly, intelligently expressed ideas that, bizarrely, became briefly hugely popular. You can't blame Jarvis for having top ten hits.

[Anonymous]

So this link was provided by MancGirl in the forums.............. who you then banned after that one post!!!!
Hyper-crit-ical.
Up The Blues for Sunday
MCFC The Pride of Manchester

[gonzax]

err... I don't think you were actually there at the time. You can say what you like about Jarvis but he's always been honest and his character is a creation borne by influences and experience. His farah slacks no more "fake" than Moz's national health glasses or ladies blouses. And likening Pulp to the Fall is just idiotic. Jarvis is one of the brightest and wittiest lyricists we've had (comparable to Moz). Pulp were no more "media friendly" than the Smiths... explicit songs about drugs, about the elderly, intelligently expressed ideas that, bizarrely, became briefly hugely popular. You can't blame Jarvis for having top ten hits.

Agreed 100%

[billy scissors]

It was obvious, The difference is Jarvis is a nice lad who is a giant fake. The Christopher Biggins of indie. Jarvis liked to pretend he was a misfit while going to virtually any indie event going. He liked to bitch about Moz while stealing his ideas and taking out any real depth and selling it with a disco beat. During the 80s Pulp were a Fall rip off band. In the 90s they were an empty art school, PC,media friendly version of the Smiths and Jarvis an empty Morrissey try to be.

But did you see him at Reading this year? Put Moz to shame

[celibate]

Jarvis is as Morrissey everywhere but in the UK underrated, add Lloyd Cole and you got 3 of UK's finest lyricists.


put Elvis Costello in , and you've got a full house:lbf:

[Anonymous]

But did you see him at Reading this year? Put Moz to shame

Dear son,

Jarvis is jolly after all.
But Reading? Bore. Trying a lot, but very patetic.

we'll let you know

[Peterb]

Dear son,

Jarvis is jolly after all.
But Reading? Bore. Trying a lot, but very patetic.

we'll let you know
Hey We'll let you know, saw your posts about Moz using auto tuning to correct his voice, after our battles in the past, pleased to report that I couldn't agree more.
I've only seen him a few times but technically he is note perfect. A great musician.

[Anonymous]

Hey We'll let you know, saw your posts about Moz using auto tuning to correct his voice, after our battles in the past, pleased to report that I couldn't agree more.
I've only seen him a few times but technically he is note perfect. A great musician.

Always
we'll let you know

[Trouble loves me]

It was obvious, The difference is Jarvis is a nice lad who is a giant fake. The Christopher Biggins of indie. Jarvis liked to pretend he was a misfit while going to virtually any indie event going. He liked to bitch about Moz while stealing his ideas and taking out any real depth and selling it with a disco beat. During the 80s Pulp were a Fall rip off band. In the 90s they were an empty art school, PC,media friendly version of the Smiths and Jarvis an empty Morrissey try to be.

I don't see how you can conclude Jarvis is a "fake" who pretended to be a misfit without knowing about his background. I grew up in the same area of Sheffield as Jarvis and it was no bed of roses. I know people who knew him and his band and they didn't fit in at all with their peers. Also, until John Peel played their records, Pulp were largely ignored by both the pop and the alternative scene. They formed in 1978, prior to The Smiths, so I don't see how Jarvis could have "stolen" Morrissey's ideas. It's more likely that Sheffield and Manchester were spawning similar bands and artists because of their similar economic, post-industrialist and social circumstances. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a Sheffield girl and His 'n' Hers is one of my favourite albums, but I love Jarvis and Pulp ... just not quite as much as I love Morrissey and The Smiths. And so what if he bitched about Moz? Moz has done his fair share of bitching over the years.

[Anonymous]

err... I don't think you were actually there at the time. You can say what you like about Jarvis but he's always been honest and his character is a creation borne by influences and experience. His farah slacks no more "fake" than Moz's national health glasses or ladies blouses. And likening Pulp to the Fall is just idiotic. Jarvis is one of the brightest and wittiest lyricists we've had (comparable to Moz). Pulp were no more "media friendly" than the Smiths... explicit songs about drugs, about the elderly, intelligently expressed ideas that, bizarrely, became briefly hugely popular. You can't blame Jarvis for having top ten hits.

"You can't blame Jarvis for having top ten hits"
Sad Son,

Jarvis never had top ten hit. Pulp yes, but Jarvis never. His solo effort was total disaster. Only Richard Hawleys geeta was any good on his poor recordings.
Morrissey is artist with integrity. Jarvis is clown. Nice and funny and digestible. But clown.

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

... and Jarvis was briefly friend from dandy Sebastian Horsley, and that fact is the most interesting thing in Cocker life.

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

"You can't blame Jarvis for having top ten hits"
Sad Son,

Jarvis never had top ten hit. Pulp yes, but Jarvis never. His solo effort was total disaster. Only Richard Hawleys geeta was any good on his poor recordings.
Morrissey is artist with integrity. Jarvis is clown. Nice and funny and digestible. But clown.

we'll let you know

pedantic idiot... the point is not about Jarvis as a solo artist but as a songwriter with Pulp. And anybody who spells guitar "geeta" is obviously a half-wit.

[Anonymous]

Cocker is a cocky little cock for even daring to suggest he is anywhere near to Morrissey's level.

[Anonymous]

So this link was provided by MancGirl in the forums.............. who you then banned after that one post!!!!
Hyper-crit-ical.
Up The Blues for Sunday
MCFC The Pride of Manchester

Blue Cunt. Manchester 3/4 red.

[Anonymous]

Blue Cunt. Manchester 3/4 red.

Singapore 9/10 red.

[Anonymous]

pedantic idiot... the point is not about Jarvis as a solo artist but as a songwriter with Pulp. And anybody who spells guitar "geeta" is obviously a half-wit.

Sad son,

Jarvis alone is patetic songwriter. With Pulp he has minor mercy with songs because he has competent people around him (Richard Hawley, and before Russel Senior). When he decided to put his, HIS (first solo album has a name "Jarvis Cocker Record") material it was disaster.
Word "geeta". Obviously, you don't understand mordant verbalism, because you listen idiotic rap music all the time. It was used to show how Jarvis Cocker solo thing fully depend on Richard Hawley's riffs when Richard is not very in - as person and as an artist concerning dull ideas presented from Cocker.
And yes, Richard's solo albums are Beautiful (we love!!!, adore!!! "Lowedges").

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD8tGmhQpSc

Richard Hawley for you sad solowist

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

and yes sad solowists
for you the nights are cold
we'll let you know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvJtLgsPhdU&feature=related

[Anonymous]

so you see, sad solowists
you can't put Jarvis Cocker even in the same sentence with fantastic artist Richard Hawley, because even Richard is far important artist than Cocker, so put him, Cocker, in the same sentence with Saint Morrissey, really, it is blasphemy!

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

Jarvis and Pulp are in my top 5 of all times. Pulp put out some epic music. You are Hardcore is an amazing piece of music. And I've always thought Jarvis to be geeky-cool. There's so many bands that went under the radar then that truly deserve mention. the The, Housemartins, wedding present.....please add more. I'm a Canadian and somehow, my entire record colletion (yes Im that old) is from bands in the UK...with the exception of Crowded House...Nirvana...ok and No Doubt.

[Anonymous]

so you see, sad solowists
you can't put Jarvis Cocker even in the same sentence with fantastic artist Richard Hawley, because even Richard is far important artist than Cocker, so put him, Cocker, in the same sentence with Saint Morrissey, really, it is blasphemy!

we'll let you know


but, "we'll let you know", we're not really interested.

[Anonymous]

Blue Cunt. Manchester 3/4 red.

Manchester today was 6/1 Blue - and you know it...... ;)

[Anonymous]

am i the only person who liked the jarvis cocker album?

morrissey's great, jarvis/pulp are great. just stfu you fucking dramatic cunts.

[Anonymous]

but, "we'll let you know", we're not really interested.

we'll let you know

[Anonymous]

It's like this. Morrissey is like Bob Marley. Bob Marley is a legend but none of the rest like him are. There are some very good musicians doing music in Bob Marley's genre but none of them are legends. Bob Marley and the Wailers were like the Smiths of reggae.

[Anonymous]

Sad son,

Jarvis alone is patetic songwriter. With Pulp he has minor mercy with songs because he has competent people around him (Richard Hawley, and before Russel Senior). When he decided to put his, HIS (first solo album has a name "Jarvis Cocker Record") material it was disaster.
Word "geeta". Obviously, you don't understand mordant verbalism, because you listen idiotic rap music all the time. It was used to show how Jarvis Cocker solo thing fully depend on Richard Hawley's riffs when Richard is not very in - as person and as an artist concerning dull ideas presented from Cocker.
And yes, Richard's solo albums are Beautiful (we love!!!, adore!!! "Lowedges").

we'll let you know

Your argument is invalid. Richard has never been involved in songwriting with Pulp. He was only a touring member. You are trying to diss Cocker in every possible way but you FAIL.