Morrissey NME libel case latest

[Uncleskinny]

From a recent Twitter source comes this...http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/10/17/morrisseys-libel-case-nme_n_1015888.html

P.

[Bluebirds]

Interesting, This has taken nearly 4 years to get to court

[goinghome]

Bit more here - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1017/breaking49.html


...The former Smiths frontman is suing the NME and its former editor, Conor McNicholas, over a November 2007 interview and has claimed that they deliberately tried to characterise him as a racist.

Morrissey (52), was not at London’s High Court to hear the magazine’s counsel, Catrin Evans, ask for the action to be "struck out" as an abuse of process...

[DAVIE]

I hope Morrissey sues the living crap out of them

[billybu69]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/10/17/morrisseys-libel-case-nme_n_1015888.html

These things take time.

[cossy]

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1017/breaking49.html

No Great surprise. I do think Moz made a massive mistake getting rid of Merck. He used to come onto this site to defend Moz and to my mind was a great manager through Quarry and Ringleader. Who knows what goes on within Camp Morrissey but I was saddened when Merck left/fired shortly before Jed.
It was hard to see Moz winning this case against the NME anyway. In fact the lack of any info on the case over the last 3 years made me think this outcome was inevitable

[Mozza220559]

The NME has become one of the most poorly researched, manipulative and undiginfied music mags that caters to the lowest common denominator (anything popular that week) it's a pile of chronic moronic dog shit. Just like The Sun.

[billybu69]

I used to love going to the newsagent on wednesday, back in the when we had Melody Maker, NME, and Sounds and pick whichever had the the best cover star.
They where a big part of the scene back then not any more the NME just seem to scrabble about in the dirt they follow not lead.sad.

[Bluebirds]

More info, bit bizarre to say the least.

From the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/17/morrissey-takes-racism-battle-court?newsfeed=true

He once claimed to bear more grudges than lonely high court judges. Now Morrissey wants his date in the high court to rebut years of allegations that he is a racist and a hypocrite.

Lawyers for the former Smiths frontman told the high court on Monday that the singer "continues to suffer" reputational damage from a controversial interview he gave to NME magazine four years ago in which he complained about an "immigration explosion" leading to a loss of British identity.

In a written submission, Morrissey said his comments received "a barrage of press" at the time, and added: "Question marks over my being a racist have never since receded".

Morrissey is attempting to sue NME's former editor Conor McNicholas and its publisher, IPC Media, for libel over the interview. Although he was not in court for the hearing, Morrissey could be cross-examined before a jury if a trial goes ahead. Despite being dogged by fresh accusations in recent years, Morrissey has consistently denied being a racist.

The singer's skeleton argument described the row as "a classic case where vindication is the only remedy".

With a reference to the bitter standoff that spans almost two decades – in 1992 NME accused him of "flirting with disaster" and racist imagery after he wrapped a union flag around himself while on stage in Finsbury Park, north London – lawyers acting for Morrissey told the court that "the fight against NME is a matter of public record" and that "the battle lines for the trial have been firmly drawn".

David Sherborne, acting for the singer, claimed that the "extremely serious" and "highly defamatory" allegations were designed purely to raise publicity for the magazine.

However, lawyers for McNicholas and the NME told the court the claim should be struck out. Catrin Evans, acting for the magazine, claimed that financial difficulties, a legal dispute in the US and an acrimonious fallout with his then manager had "distracted" Morrissey from pursuing his claim against NME.

Morrissey threatened legal action against the magazine in November 2007, days after the interview was published.

According to Evans, the singer dropped the complaint for three years before recently reigniting the row. "The court can infer from this that there has been such a delay that is not a genuine bid for vindication," Evans said. "[The claim] simply didn't figure at the forefront of his mind."

Evans claimed that Morrissey "by his own actions" has provoked "more topical" accusations of racism – including an interview with the Guardian in September 2010 in which he described Chinese people as a "subspecies" – since the NME article was published.

"The fact that [Morrissey] has spent the three years since March 2008 recording albums, touring, promoting his new work and presumably doing well enough commercially to be able now to contemplate funding this libel claim, shows that his reputation has been unaffected. His fans apparently still love him," Evans told the court. She pointed out that the offending interview had never been published online and continues to exist "only in Morrissey fans' bedrooms".

Britain's most senior libel judge, Mr Justice Tugendhat, is expected to decide on Tuesday whether the claim should go to trial. Morrissey could testify in court alongside his former manager, Merck Mercuriadis, as well as McNicholas, Krissi Murison-Hodge, formerly the deputy editor, and Tim Jonze, the interviewer and now editor of guardian.co.uk/music.

If the claim goes to trial, more than 250 emails between the NME and Morrissey's manager, as well as a full transcript of the interview, would be used as evidence.

Sherborne, acting for Morrissey, claimed that the documents "speak for themselves". In one email sent to Morrissey's manager two days before the interview was published, McNicholas is quoted as saying that "no one is accusing Morrissey of racism – that would be mad given what Morrissey says".

According to Morrissey's skeleton argument, Jonze told Morrissey in a follow-up interview that McNicholas "doesn't think you have a problem with other races but it sounds like you wouldn't like someone [non-British] to move in next door to you".

In the interview, Morrissey was quoted as saying that "the gates of England are flooded. The country's been thrown away." Asked by the interviewer whether he would return to live in Britain, Morrissey is quoted: "With the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because, although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears."

Lawyers acting for the magazine argue that a fair trial would be impossible given that it would rely on the accurate recall of editorial decisions made five years ago. The court heard that the published article was amended three times between 18 November and 21 November before it was eventually published on 28 November.

McNicholas, whose seven-year editorship of the NME was characterised largely by the well-publicised row, was in court for the three-hour hearing on Monday. The hearing continues on Tuesday.

[Bluebirds]

Does this give the tantalsing proposition of Morrissey using posts on this website as evidence that in some quarters he is still labelled as a racist?

[Amy]

People have been throwing the "racist" label at Moz since Panic came out, and it only increased during his early solo years. Really don't see what difference this libel case will make one way or the other, and I would have thought Morrissey had had enough of courts for a lifetime.

[DAVIE]

People have been throwing the "racist" label at Moz since Panic came out, and it only increased during his early solo years. Really don't see what difference this libel case will make one way or the other, and I would have thought Morrissey had had enough of courts for a lifetime.

and yet....no, I think Morrissey has a right to stick up for himself. I wouldn't like it if I branded a racist either.

[Amy]

and yet....no, I think Morrissey has a right to stick up for himself. I wouldn't like it if I branded a racist either.

He wouldn't need to stick up for himself if he hadn't kept relentlessly fanning the flames and putting his foot in his mouth for the past 20 years. From Bengali in Platforms to the Finsbury debacle, the "England is flooded" NME mess and then Subspecies-Gate, he really hasn't helped himself. I am convinced that he does most of it sheerly for publicity, but if so then he has shot himself in the foot big-time.

[Bluebirds]

I can't wait for another 10 years of new material on the back of this and a follow-up to Sorrow Will Come in The End.

[Worm]

McNicholas...was in court for the three-hour hearing on Monday.

If the bathroom stalls at Heathrow seem dirtier than usual, you'll know why.

[Maurice E]

He wouldn't need to stick up for himself if he hadn't kept relentlessly fanning the flames and putting his foot in his mouth for the past 20 years. From Bengali in Platforms to the Finsbury debacle, the "England is flooded" NME mess and then Subspecies-Gate, he really hasn't helped himself. I am convinced that he does most of it sheerly for publicity, but if so then he has shot himself in the foot big-time.

Subspecies-gate? Where'd you get that phrase from? A certain Mr E, I do believe!
You're quite right though. Morrissey been an absolute idiot on this subject over the years. Having said that, I do think the NME stitched him up on this particular occasion, especially when you see the email exchanges between Merck Mercuriadis and Timothy Jonze (with Jonze memorably signing off 'Tim x' - yuck!).

[Maurice E]

Here's what Merck said at the time.
http://www.morrissey-solo.com/article.pl?sid=07/12/01/1610212

Further to my post last night if you still have any doubt about the truth, who is doing the spinning and the NME's agenda please consider the following email sent to me by Tim Jonze the morning following his interview with Morrissey which he now portrays as "offensive". As you can see he was highly offended - only when he realized yesterday that IPC / NME might not employ him anymore due to his indiscretions!
Note the kisses!
Best wishes, Merck Mercuriadis Los Angeles December 1st, 2007

And here's Tim's email:

Hi Merck,
Was great to meet you yesterday. Interview was really good, I was surprised how open and charming and humble Moz was. I'm sure you could tell I was quite nervous, I'm a big fan. Anyway, you said that you might have some guest list spare for tonight. So I was wondering if I could get these on to the list for Friday (tonight), in order of importance...
Guy Eppel Alex Cisneros Fiona Byrne
Guy shoots for NME and wondered if he could take pictures. I said I had no idea but I would ask you if there was any chance of getting him a photo pass. No worries if not. Fiona might be writing a news story on the night for NME.com but if there's no spare tickets I can cover that. If there's lots of spare tickets and you don't know what to do with them, they'd all like plus ones but this might be stretching my luck! Anyway, let me know what the deal is.
Tim x

[Bluebirds]

Shocking that he's never done a Jason Donovan though :lbf:

[goinghome]

Merck Mercuriadas showed conviction and grit in his role as music manager only to become injudicious and indiscreet when it came to this accusation. The initial True-To-You site posts at the time are not ideally for our eyes at that stage, while Morrissey's statement was needed:

http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_071127_01

http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_071129_02

http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_071203_02

Morrissey's not racist; the 1st amendment would protect him in USA but luck will play a part in how his words would be interpreted in a court in England. I do think ordinary people are fed up with petty pc over-reactions to non-sterilised comments made as part of a discussion about contemporary trends and concerns and if the NME push it, they'll be a laughing stock for the short time they remain in operation.

[Bluebirds]

From Morrissey's statement then

My heart sank as Tim Jonze let slip the tell-all editorial directive behind this interview: "It's Conor's view that Morrissey thinks black people are OK ...but he wouldn't want one living next door to him." It was then that I realized the full extent of the setup, and I felt like Bob Hoskins in the final frame of The Long Good Friday as he sits in the back of the wrong getaway car realizing the extent of the conspiratorial slime that now trapped him

Hee hee hee.

[Amy]

From Morrissey's statement then

My heart sank as Tim Jonze let slip the tell-all editorial directive behind this interview: "It's Conor's view that Morrissey thinks black people are OK ...but he wouldn't want one living next door to him." It was then that I realized the full extent of the setup, and I felt like Bob Hoskins in the final frame of The Long Good Friday as he sits in the back of the wrong getaway car realizing the extent of the conspiratorial slime that now trapped him

Hee hee hee.

Setup or not, that is a fucking brilliant riposte. Powerfully and meticulously worded.

[Bluebirds]

Remember this Word had to apologise.

http://www.gigwise.com/news/42036/Word-Magazine-Forced-To-Apologise-To-Morrissey

Where he explicitly states he will pursue the NME as well. Albeit a while ago

[Bluebirds]

Setup or not, that is a fucking brilliant riposte. Powerfully and meticulously worded.

BUt I've never the seen film :rolleyes:

[zepfan1]

What financial issues are they speaking of?

[CrystalGeezer]

Evans. :mad: GRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Hate.

[sol]

when morissey said Chinese people as a "subspecies" I think is about idiosyncrasy and it not is about race , news like this i wonder are humans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vxe2LHhbh8
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/toddler-struck-twice-by-hit-and-run-drivers-dozens-ignore-her/

[joe frady]

The piece from 'The Guardian' website is printed as a full-page-3 stunner in todays paper ~ "The slight that never goes out?"
It's all subjective of course, but having just read yesterdays insufferably smug and cosy 'Guardian Interview' with Jarvis Cocker ("the heir to Alan Bennet"...apparently), this report of Morrissey possibly letting loose his legal eagles on the NME was strangely thrilling. For all Cocker's talk of being this awkward outsider artist, he's actually snugly adored by the mainstream and indie media alike.
Morrissey is the same awkward bugger now as he was in '83. Some may not like the myriad forms in which that 'awkwardness' manifests itself, but if he wasn't like that we wouldn't be getting the art he produces. I may not want to go for a pint with him. I don't need to. I have friends for that purpose. What I need from artists is not 'great bloke' but 'great art'. Shunned by Mail and Guardian alike, NME, BBC, EDL and LMHR, he still cannot truly find a place. He's never going to slip in to the revered elder statesman figure of yer Weller, Cave, Costello et al. And it's not just a question of the work. There's something more.
Amidst the 2004 euphoria of the 'Quarry' comeback I always had a queasy sensation that this will turn again, and the queasiness came, I think, from an impatience just to get on with it and turn. I first came to Morrissey in '88/'89 as the media halo was dulling. I became obsessed with art that allcomers were saying was worthless - 'Listen to the new Kingmaker single instead'!, etc. So I feel perfectly at home with the general loathing that currently abounds.
I wonder when Justice Tug-on-that (to be played by Peter Butterworth at full pelt in the motion picture) is due to dispense his wisdom...

[Bluebirds]

The piece from 'The Guardian' website is printed as a full-page-3 stunner in todays paper ~ "The slight that never goes out?"
It's all subjective of course, but having just read yesterdays insufferably smug and cosy 'Guardian Interview' with Jarvis Cocker ("the heir to Alan Bennet"...apparently), this report of Morrissey possibly letting loose his legal eagles on the NME was strangely thrilling. For all Cocker's talk of being this awkward outsider artist, he's actually snugly adored by the mainstream and indie media alike.
Morrissey is the same awkward bugger now as he was in '83. Some may not like the myriad forms in which that 'awkwardness' manifests itself, but if he wasn't like that we wouldn't be getting the art he produces. I may not want to go for a pint with him. I don't need to. I have friends for that purpose. What I need from artists is not 'great bloke' but 'great art'. Shunned by Mail and Guardian alike, NME, BBC, EDL and LMHR, he still cannot truly find a place. He's never going to slip in to the revered elder statesman figure of yer Weller, Cave, Costello et al. And it's not just a question of the work. There's something more.
Amidst the 2004 euphoria of the 'Quarry' comeback I always had a queasy sensation that this will turn again, and the queasiness came, I think, from an impatience just to get on with it and turn. I first came to Morrissey in '88/'89 as the media halo was dulling. I became obsessed with art that allcomers were saying was worthless - 'Listen to the new Kingmaker single instead'!, etc. So I feel perfectly at home with the general loathing that currently abounds.
I wonder when Justice Tug-on-that (to be played by Peter Butterworth at full pelt in the motion picture) is due to dispense his wisdom...

I read the Jarvis interview and thought oh isn't he a treasure. But he's not a patch on Morrissey.

And then I saw him on a Eurostar advert on the telly in conjunction with London 2012 .:rolleyes: "What about bagpipes?" indeed, tosser

[Bluebirds]

Latest from the courts:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/oct/18/morrissey-nme-libel-case-jury?newsfeed=true

Mr Justice Tugendhat is expected to decide within weeks whether the former Smiths frontman should be set a high court date for his long and bitter battle against NME over the article, first published four years ago.


Lawyers for the singer told the court on Tuesday that he is willing to be cross-examined as a witness if the trial goes ahead. Morrissey is suing Conor McNicholas, the then-editor of NME, and the magazine's publisher, IPC Media, for libel.

If given the green light by Tugendhat, the trial would be the first UK libel case to be heard before a jury for more than two years. The most recent libel trial by jury in the UK was in 2009, when media baron Richard Desmond lost a case against the author Tom Bower.

[Media Whore]

Once again, Morrissey appears to have been born under a bad sign.

Normally libel and defamation cases are heavily slanted toward the plaintiff however he drew a bad hand when he got Judge Tugendhat as presiding whom appears to require proof of a 'substantial effect' of damage in addition to a supposed slight (whether real or perceived), before willing to decide in a claimants favour.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/jun/16/medialaw-telegraphmediagroup

[CrystalGeezer]

Once again, Morrissey appears to have been born under a bad sign.

Normally libel and defamation cases are heavily slanted toward the plaintiff however he drew a bad hand when he got Judge Tugendhat as presiding whom appears to require proof of a 'substantial effect' of damage in addition to a supposed slight (whether real or perceived), before willing to decide in a claimants favour.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/jun/16/medialaw-telegraphmediagroup

I suspect it won't "go to trial." I'm not sure how you say it there. If Morrissey is thirsty for justice to be served, it won't be with this bozo, it'll be different.

[juno]

What financial issues are they speaking of?

That seems to me more like a cheap shot than an actual statement of fact. That said, it is very expensive to bring a case to trial and considering that Morrissey seems to be the breadwinner for his family and likely supports several households he is probably very careful with his money with good reason.

[andyd2809]

From Newsthump: spoof UK News site...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/morrissey-to-sue-himself-201110184435/

[CrystalGeezer]

Stupid. :squiffy: Newsthump writers need to take tips from the onion.

[King Leer]

The Morrissey piece is pants -- the Stone Roses one is much funnier. "'Made of Bits of Gristle and Tracksuit". Hah!

[Raphael Lambach]

This information is sooooo strange.

[goinghome]

The piece from 'The Guardian' website is printed as a full-page-3 stunner in todays paper ~ "The slight that never goes out?"
It's all subjective of course, but having just read yesterdays insufferably smug and cosy 'Guardian Interview' with Jarvis Cocker ("the heir to Alan Bennet"...apparently), this report of Morrissey possibly letting loose his legal eagles on the NME was strangely thrilling. For all Cocker's talk of being this awkward outsider artist, he's actually snugly adored by the mainstream and indie media alike.
Morrissey is the same awkward bugger now as he was in '83. Some may not like the myriad forms in which that 'awkwardness' manifests itself, but if he wasn't like that we wouldn't be getting the art he produces. I may not want to go for a pint with him. I don't need to. I have friends for that purpose. What I need from artists is not 'great bloke' but 'great art'. Shunned by Mail and Guardian alike, NME, BBC, EDL and LMHR, he still cannot truly find a place. He's never going to slip in to the revered elder statesman figure of yer Weller, Cave, Costello et al. And it's not just a question of the work. There's something more.
Amidst the 2004 euphoria of the 'Quarry' comeback I always had a queasy sensation that this will turn again, and the queasiness came, I think, from an impatience just to get on with it and turn. I first came to Morrissey in '88/'89 as the media halo was dulling. I became obsessed with art that allcomers were saying was worthless - 'Listen to the new Kingmaker single instead'!, etc. So I feel perfectly at home with the general loathing that currently abounds.
I wonder when Justice Tug-on-that (to be played by Peter Butterworth at full pelt in the motion picture) is due to dispense his wisdom...

I could do without the queasiness, and I wish he could have both. The judge makes the decision this week while a case, if allowed, won't be heard till the summer, is that right? Torture, though it should at least mean that the American tour can go ahead. Oscar Wilde better be on his side, aiding from experience beyond the grave!

[My Only Weakness]

I read all of this before I got to England, and upon arrival, realized what Moz said is just true.
The British national identity is disappearing, any Brit who is remotely proud of being English or British, for that matter, is automatically tagged
racist, or worse. In no other country in the world would a given nation be shamed into suppressing it's own national identity.
People here cannot distinguish between NATIONALISM and RACISM....they are NOT the same thing.
The fact is, Britain has been reverse colonized. And the middle class, deeply ashamed of the empire's achievements over time, are the ones
largely responsible for it. Though their motives were probably more along the lines of undermining the British working class than promoting any of the
poor previously colonized people.
This country has some serious problems, and unfortunately, the PC brigade have it wedged into a corner, so there is not much that can actually be
done about it. I think of all the people who fought and gave their lives for a free Britain, they must be rolling in their graves that a person can
be jailed or lose their livelihood over something they said!

I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. --Voltaire

[MILKISMURDER]

when morissey said Chinese people as a "subspecies" I think is about idiosyncrasy and it not is about race , news like this i wonder are humans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vxe2LHhbh8
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/toddler-struck-twice-by-hit-and-run-drivers-dozens-ignore-her/

He just got the wording wrong, had he said "sub-culture" that would have been perfectly valid cultural criticism. That he used "subspecies" suggested something evil is coded into their DNA which is silly.

[Bluebirds]

I read all of this before I got to England, and upon arrival, realized what Moz said is just true.
The British national identity is disappearing, any Brit who is remotely proud of being English or British, for that matter, is automatically tagged
racist, or worse. In no other country in the world would a given nation be shamed into suppressing it's own national identity.
People here cannot distinguish between NATIONALISM and RACISM....they are NOT the same thing.
The fact is, Britain has been reverse colonized. And the middle class, deeply ashamed of the empire's achievements over time, are the ones
largely responsible for it. Though their motives were probably more along the lines of undermining the British working class than promoting any of the
poor previously colonized people.
This country has some serious problems, and unfortunately, the PC brigade have it wedged into a corner, so there is not much that can actually be
done about it. I think of all the people who fought and gave their lives for a free Britain, they must be rolling in their graves that a person can
be jailed or lose their livelihood over something they said!

I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. --Voltaire

What is your definition of British culture and national identity? Genuinely interested.

The part of Britain that is supposedly losing its national identity is England. I think you'll find Scottish and Welsh people can display their patriotism/ nationalism without any accusations of racism.

[sol]

He just got the wording wrong, had he said "sub-culture" that would have been perfectly valid cultural criticism. That he used "subspecies" suggested something evil is coded into their DNA which is silly.

¿DNA ? Chinese are promoting femicide . one specie Without Women or with contempt for women , without fear to say " subespecie"
http://www.change.org/petitions/female-gendercide-200-million-girls-missing-systematic-extermination-of-an-entire-gender

[Worm]

before I got to England, and upon arrival

...

The British national identity is disappearing

This was a sharp piece of satire!

[Peterb]

I read all of this before I got to England, and upon arrival, realized what Moz said is just true.
The British national identity is disappearing, any Brit who is remotely proud of being English or British, for that matter, is automatically tagged
racist, or worse. In no other country in the world would a given nation be shamed into suppressing it's own national identity.
People here cannot distinguish between NATIONALISM and RACISM....they are NOT the same thing.
The fact is, Britain has been reverse colonized. And the middle class, deeply ashamed of the empire's achievements over time, are the ones
largely responsible for it. Though their motives were probably more along the lines of undermining the British working class than promoting any of the
poor previously colonized people.
This country has some serious problems, and unfortunately, the PC brigade have it wedged into a corner, so there is not much that can actually be
done about it. I think of all the people who fought and gave their lives for a free Britain, they must be rolling in their graves that a person can
be jailed or lose their livelihood over something they said!

I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. --Voltaire
I have a few problems with your post.
Perhaps you could help me?
"The British national identity is disappearing" How do you know? What is this identity you speak of? Maybe it's just changing and you don't like it.

"People here cannot distinguish between NATIONALISM and RACISM" What people are these? Surely the truth is that some people make the distinction and some don't.

"The fact is, Britain has been reverse colonized" Who by? Immigrants make up a minute proportion of our population.

"...the middle class, deeply ashamed of the empire's achievements over time, are the ones largely responsible for it. Though their motives were probably more along the lines of undermining the British working class than promoting any of the poor previously colonized people" This quite a burden for us middle classes to carry. And to talk in terms of class when the definitions are now so blurred appears to me as rather imprecise.

"the PC brigade have it wedged into a corner" Who are the PC brigade? Are you sure they exist? Everyone moans about them but no one appears to be a member.
"..that a person can be jailed or lose their livelihood over something they said!" Could you name anyone jailed in this country for what they have said for me?

[Worm]

"..that a person can be jailed or lose their livelihood over something they said!" Could you name anyone jailed in this country for what they have said for me?

Imagine how much grave-rolling those brave English freedom fighters will be doing when they hear about people being imprisoned or shot dead because of the color of their skin.

[MILKISMURDER]

¿DNA ? Chinese are promoting femicide . one specie Without Women or with contempt for women , without fear to say " subespecie"
http://www.change.org/petitions/female-gendercide-200-million-girls-missing-systematic-extermination-of-an-entire-gender

It doesn't matter what your criticism is it still fits "cultural criticism", rather than being an implicit genetic defect in Chinese people.

Their species is human as with you. Now if you want to call humans a "subspecies" that would be valid and may well have some merit as we hit seven billion, prompt runaway climate change, cause other species to go extinct at such a rate it needs it's own classification of geological era and render the biosphere increasingly uninhabitable...

[Peterb]

Imagine how much grave-rolling those brave English freedom fighters will be doing when they hear about people being imprisoned or shot dead because of the color of their skin.
Sorry Worm, I'm not clear about what you mean here.

[NommaG]

Sky news are reporting that Morrissey has been given go-ahead to sue NME for libel over an article about his views on immigration.

[goinghome]

This piece states that the decision is due today - http://www.breakingnews.ie/entertainment/judge-to-decide-on-morrissey-libel-case-525829.html .
So Sky is probably correct. It'll be something! :eek:

[Bluebirds]

Latest from the courts (according to 5Live)

MORRISSEY can pursue his claim

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/oct/26/morrissey-libel-battle-nme-jury

Tugendhat said Morrissey's explanation of why it had taken four years to bring the claim to court was "credible".

Morrissey described in a witness statement how he had been left financially crippled by an acrimonious fallout with his manager, Merck Mercuriadis, in May 2008 which left the singer owing money to both creditors and debtors.

Tugendhat described the "imputation" from the NME magazine articles as a "very serious one". He added that the four-year delay, between publication of the interview and the eventual trial, was not so great as to prejudice a fair trial.

McNicholas said in his witness statement that he was "very concerned" about the prospect of having to recall editorial judgments made in 2008.

Tugendhat said the case was one that might be "susceptible to resolution" before it reaches a jury trial, but it remains to be seen whether Morrissey will now wait for his day in court. The high court trial is expected to begin in mid 2012.

[2-J]

Excellent news.

And even if Morrissey loses, it could be worth it (maybe he feels the same way) because it'll make the NME people squirm in court and feel very uncomfortable indeed.

Not all Morrissey says and does is defensible, but that NME article was a total set-up, and both the journalist and the editor come across as complete fools and utterly opportunistic.

[joe frady]

"McNicholas said in his witness statement that he was "very concerned" about the prospect of having to recall editorial judgments made in 2008."

ie ~ "I was coked out of my gourd....m'lud" :o

[CrystalGeezer]

I was wrong. :o

[Media Whore]

I was wrong. :o

About what?

[CrystalGeezer]

About what?

About the case being heard. I get used to "nobody's listening" and try to keep a chin up about it.

[Amy]

Morrissey described in a witness statement how he had been left financially crippled by an acrimonious fallout with his manager, Merck Mercuriadis, in May 2008 which left the singer owing money to both creditors and debtors.

Now, this I would like to hear more about. What exactly happened between them? I know that Moz blamed Merck/Sanctuary for the lack of publicity given to the singles from ROTT and their subsequent chart failure (as evidenced by that vile leaked email), but what's all this about him being "financially crippled"? I find it hard to believe that a multi-millionaire could be financially crippled by anything, and why would he owe debtors?

[Bluebirds]

Now, this I would like to hear more about. What exactly happened between them? I know that Moz blamed Merck/Sanctuary for the lack of publicity given to the singles from ROTT and their subsequent chart failure (as evidenced by that vile leaked email), but what's all this about him being "financially crippled"? I find it hard to believe that a multi-millionaire could be financially crippled by anything, and why would he owe debtors?

Something to do with the Hollywood Bowl DVD, quite possibly? And his Smiths royalties going to Mike Joyce?

There's been rumours amongst road crews that Morrissey is far from 'rock star' wealthy, hence the constant touring. Sounds like there could be an element of truth in it.

[Worm]

If his finances really have been in the tank since 2008, his refusal of the multi-million dollar offer to play with Johnny as "The Smiths" is even more impressive. But that could just as suddenly turn into the opposite: if he does cave in and play with Johnny it will look even more like a broke musician making a pathetic cash-grab.

Stay strong! Don't take the easy payday, Morrissey! :rolleyes:

[bored]

I think that when you choose to put the pedal to the floor in litigation is your own choice. There is a reason there is a statute of limitations in place and the range of it varies based on what it is.

It is a joke to question his motivation to sue based on the fact that a few years have passed.

I'm glad he's going to get a chance to be heard.

It will be interesting what gets revealed out of all this. I'd love to see a transcript of the actual interview. I'm sure the court will hear the tape but I don't think that the British courts release much publicly as was seen in the Mike Joyce case where details were limited and transcripts were not made available.

[Amy]

Something to do with the Hollywood Bowl DVD, quite possibly? And his Smiths royalties going to Mike Joyce?

There's been rumours amongst road crews that Morrissey is far from 'rock star' wealthy, hence the constant touring. Sounds like there could be an element of truth in it.

But his Smiths royalties have been going to Joyce for years, well before 2008 - it can't be that, can it? I don't think Moz has insane wealth in the proportions of most rock stars, but he stills wears £500 shirts, £2,000 watches, dresses head to toe in designer clothes and stays in 5* hotels whenever he's travelling. Hardly seems to be struggling.

[Tingle3]

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[Urban the swede]

Yes we will!

The return of racism in football on and off the pitch is only a natural reaction to the growing popularity of the EDL. I see it as people protesting against the immigrant politics which has forced your PM to state that the immigration of old now has to stop.

When diversity means that only those without white skin are protected by the laws then the white population will undoubtedly react to this as the law should and must be equal for all. There are many countries now where people who originate from that country no longer are protected by the law. This is because the immigrants needed protection and the powers that be forgot to also include the white population in the anti-racism laws.

We must also realise that the manifest written by norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik hangs heavy over Europe now. Many will label his killings of innocent kids as insanity, and rightly so, but his manifest on the other hand describes the very reality today for many people in todays modern Europe. What he foresees in that manifest is considered by many to be a realistic development if something isn't done before that happens.

Football has always been about politics no matter what some people say and it is only natural that the problems we see in the streets are also popping up on the football pitch and the terraces.

[Cornflakes]

You should take the advice in your sig.

[Urban the swede]

You should take the advice in your sig.

I know and I will.

[Peterb]

In regards to racism, football is in a better state than ever. The fact that Terry is being pursued is evidence of this. I was at the Emirates on Saturday and was overjoyed to see Arsenal celebrating diversity and inclusion.

[Urban the swede]

In regards to racism, football is in a better state than ever. The fact that Terry is being pursued is evidence of this. I was at the Emirates on Saturday and was overjoyed to see Arsenal celebrating diversity and inclusion.

Oh, now I know who you are!

The reality is saying something else.

[Urban the swede]

I would like to have seen Peterb during the Tottenham riots and how he would have got on among them people. Those are after all the people he likes and wants to be a part of.