Why Morrissey is dead to me

[ernestgrimmer]

Thought you might be interestedin seeing this...
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/reportage/why-morrissey-is-dead-to-me/

[lainey]

Would he like Morrissey to turn water in to wine too.
Having a love, a passion for those with no voice is important. Billy Bragg has been speaking out from the human suffering point of view, if you had bothered to listen. Also I believe Morrissey is SELF educated, try it for yourself.
by the way, I work for the public sector and may be losing my job so I'm not having a go but it's a stupid, self service, bitchy article.

[lainey]

Earnestgrimmer, Is the writer a friend of yours? Tell him that I'll be more than happy to pay the P&P for his record collection since he wishes it part with them.

[Barking]

that's how people grow up...
Don't blame Morrissey, he's a bit past it. :)
Aren't we all?

Rather than being dead, it's just he's probably as important as the next rich gay not very bright sheltered veggie bloke...
Hey, he never said he was a genius...:straightface:

[DAVIE]

that's how people grow up...
Don't blame Morrissey, he's a bit past it. :)
Aren't we all?

Rather than being dead, it's just he's probably as important as the next rich gay not very bright sheltered veggie bloke...
Hey, he never said he was a genius...:straightface:

Gay? More like celibate/asexual...I refuse to believe :p

[Barking]

Gay? More like celibate/asexual...I refuse to believe :p

Trust me on this, the old poofter doesn't mind one bit if you believe! :D

[DAVIE]

Morrissey is more outspoken than Hitler himself...If he was gay, he would have shouted it down the streets ages ago! The man is not afraid of anything (apart from eating meat obviously)...

[ernestgrimmer]

No the writer isn't a friend of mine. I just couldn't resist posting the article here to see what Morrissey afficionados thought of the sentiments being expressed, because personally I think that Gethyn Pugh is absolutely right.

Morrissey made much of the treatment of the working classes under Thatcher's government, you could say he traded off it. Now he's a wealthy tax exile. I would say he's turned into exactly the kind of person he railed against in order to capture the attention of his fans and become some kind of anti-establishment hero to disenfranchised youth of the eighties. I love his music but I think he's incredibly hypocritical.

[ernestgrimmer]

Of course Morrissey is gay. Though I really don't see how that is relevant to this thread.

[Barking]

Of course Morrissey is gay. Though I really don't see how that is relevant to this thread.

Well if one was fussy one could argue being gay is being dead...:lbf: (pathetic attempt to try and drag contrary Swedes into the convo)

Er...Goodbye! :D

[Irregular Regular]

Thought you might be interested in seeing this...
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/reportage/why-morrissey-is-dead-to-me/

I've read the article and it's very well written, however the content is complete and utter bollocks.

Should we all blame Morrissey for the current state of affairs?
Do me a favour...

[DAVIE]

Of course Morrissey is gay. Though I really don't see how that is relevant to this thread.

Bi, possible...straight, more than likely....celibate, very likely...gay, NEVER! :lbf:

[Emil]

Bi, possible...straight, more than likely....celibate, very likely...gay, NEVER! :lbf:

Yes, he and Jake only happened to sleep in the same bed. :p

[billy scissors]

Bi, possible...straight, more than likely....celibate, very likely...gay, NEVER! :lbf:

"Not fussy" even?

[lainey]

No the writer isn't a friend of mine. I just couldn't resist posting the article here to see what Morrissey afficionados thought of the sentiments being expressed, because personally I think that Gethyn Pugh is absolutely right.

Morrissey made much of the treatment of the working classes under Thatcher's government, you could say he traded off it. Now he's a wealthy tax exile. I would say he's turned into exactly the kind of person he railed against in order to capture the attention of his fans and become some kind of anti-establishment hero to disenfranchised youth of the eighties. I love his music but I think he's incredibly hypocritical.

Is Billy Bragg a hypocrite? he's a socialist but lives in a big house with alot of land. Paul McCartney? he's from a working class family but he now owns many homes around the world and is one of the richest man in the world. Bono thinks it's ok to lecture on limited change while causing a great deal himself. Iggy Pop advertises insurance, Johnny Rotten made a butter commercial, Shaun Ryder appear in a reality tv show.............but because Morrissey doesn't like in a two up two down and pretend to be a politician, you have a problem!

[Amy]

Bi, possible...straight, more than likely....celibate, very likely...gay, NEVER! :lbf:

You must be having a laugh...:lbf:

[Amy]

"Morrissey was ‘backing up’ his well-documented in-fighting nemesis and ex-band member Johnny Marr"...

What? :rolleyes:

[DAVIE]

OK....Bi, more than likely. However, gay...NEVER!

Damn all you Morrissey fans trying to rape me with your words! :D

[Irregular Regular]

"I refuse to recognize the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just sexual, the prefix is immaterial".

Morrissey 1984

[Amy]

"I refuse to recognize the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just sexual, the prefix is immaterial".

Morrissey 1984

"I Can Have Both".

[ernestgrimmer]

The content is completely relevant. Morrissey called for the removal of both Thatcher and the Queen during the eighties. He claimed to identify with the struggles of the working classes, but it seems that the wealth he has accumulated on the back of the image he cultivated has given him a different perspective as we deal with today's widespread cuts. Better to say nothing than reveal yourself as a hypocritical opportunist who cares little for the people that have afforded him his current status.

[Irregular Regular]

"I Can Have Both".

Are you sure? :p

[DAVIE]

Bi seems more likely on the table, guys :p

[ernestgrimmer]

I don't resent anybody the fruits of their success but a lack of consistency in politics is a little telling don't you think? And yes, I have a lack of respect with other champagne socialists, but bringing the likes of Bono, Bragg and McCartney into this is hardly the way to bolster your defence of Morrissey. I find it really interesting that somebody can establish themeselves as the antithesis of Thatcher and her politics and then choose to live as a tax exile and make no comment whatsoever on what is happening in Britain today.

[Irregular Regular]

The content is completely relevant. Morrissey called for the removal of both Thatcher and the Queen during the eighties. He claimed to identify with the struggles of the working classes, but it seems that the wealth he has accumulated on the back of the image he cultivated has given him a different perspective as we deal with today's widespread cuts. Better to say nothing than reveal yourself as a hypocritical opportunist who cares little for the people that have afforded him his current status.

Let's just agree to disagree on this one.
Morrissey still sympathises with the struggles of the 'working classes'.
Just because he chose to make a statement in defense of animal rights instead of students tuition fees this does not mean that he agrees with the policy.

A couple of things you probably ought to take into consideration:

1. Morrissey generally places more importance on animals than on people
2. Morrissey strongly believes that formal education is a waste of time

[The Cat's Mother]

OK....Bi, more than likely. However, gay...NEVER!

Damn all you Morrissey fans trying to rape me with your words! :D

Violate you with verbs! Penetrate you with pronouns! Conjugate you until you beg for more! :lbf:

(Whose sexual preference is it, anyway? I only ask that he/she/they/it doesn't shag Morrissey into a coma just before a gig for which I've spent hours in the queue!)

[Mozza220559]

I think Morrissey is too cool for sex, either that or he doesn't like his toger being touched (apart from Jake)

[The Cat's Mother]

I think Morrissey is too cool for sex, either that or he doesn't like his toger being touched (apart from Jake)

So you don't think he's one of those men who sidles up to unsuspecting people and says (over a discreet zipper noise) "Just hold this for me, will you, love?"

[Mozza220559]

So you don't think he's one of those men who sidles up to unsuspecting people and says (over a discreet zipper noise) "Just hold this for me, will you, love?"

He's never said to any of his fans "Hold me ballbag love whilst I feel yer tits"

[Barking]

So you don't think he's one of those men who sidles up to unsuspecting people and says (over a discreet zipper noise) "Just hold this for me, will you, love

...While I have my picture taken?"

:squiffy: Most certainly not!

Wouldn't a certain minder in another thread mumble "too long!" then? (we'll never know for sure what he was talking about)

TCM I forbid you to put sexy syntax in young Davie's head! Shoo! :banned:

[The Cat's Mother]

He's never said to any of his fans "Hold me ballbag love whilst I feel yer tits"

Unless Mick Ronson secretly gave him proper Hessle Road chat-up lessons.

[The Cat's Mother]

...While I have my picture taken?"

:squiffy: Most certainly not!

Wouldn't a certain minder in another thread mumble "too long!" then? (we'll never know for sure what he was talking about)

TCM I forbid you to put sexy syntax in young Davie's head! Shoo! :banned:


I only quote the scenario because it happened to me once. Although with a (very) different Steven. :squiffy:

[CrystalGeezer]

He's never said to any of his fans "Hold me ballbag love whilst I feel yer tits"

I'll be sure to use this next time we have a chance encounter. I might class it up by farting after I say it also if everything goes smoothly.

[Mozza220559]

I'll be sure to use this next time we have a chance encounter. I might class it up by farting after I say it also if everything goes smoothly.

Just smoothly fart on his balls and he'll be flicking your tits in no time

Haha what am I on about?

[The Cat's Mother]

Just smoothly fart on his balls and he'll be flicking your tits in no time

Haha what am I on about?


Next time I go out on the pull, you're coming with me. :lbf:

[mywar]

Yeah pretty sure noone gives a fuck if Morrissey is 'dead to' some blogger.

[Mozza220559]

Yeah pretty sure noone gives a fuck if Morrissey is 'dead to' some blogger.

"Yeah they're ruined" Alan Partridge

[CrystalGeezer]

Regarding this article, I too have wondered if Morrissey shouldn't address human rights issues a tad more. I've come to the conclusion after much introspection that we all choose our battles and the metaphor of our fighting style resonates in every arena. So Morrissey, channeling Govinda or Gopala uses the platform of animal rights to make his statement and the rights of men follow in sync.

http://www.gopalkrishnatemple.com/images/Gopala-Krishna_01.gif

http://www.cluas.com/indie-music/Portals/0/Blog/Files/25/1026/29_morrissey_lgl.jpg

In short I ignore these tirades. He knows what he's doing.

[Kewpie]

CG, please reduce the size of the image you posted above, thanks.


Does anyone remember this (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=108687/)?

[mozmic_dancer]

I think in regards to the person who wrote this article, Morrissey may have said it best:

We hate it when our friends become successfull ha ha hahaha ha hahahaha ha.

[The Cat's Mother]

Does anyone remember this (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=108687/)?

Worth it for the "deaf bloke" comment alone. :lbf:

[Barking]

I only quote the scenario because it happened to me once. Although with a (very) different Steven. :squiffy:

Well, I've got a cappucino and a whole rainy day off in front of me.:thumb: I'm listening.:straightface:

[The Cat's Mother]

Well, I've got a cappucino and a whole rainy day off in front of me.:thumb: I'm listening.:straightface:

All I'll say is that I (naturally) fled. And ( Kate being a callow 16) there may have been a squeak of shock. :lbf:

[sad veiled bride]

Regarding this article, I too have wondered if Morrissey shouldn't address human rights issues a tad more. I've come to the conclusion after much introspection that we all choose our battles and the metaphor of our fighting style resonates in every arena. So Morrissey, channeling Govinda or Gopala uses the platform of animal rights to make his statement and the rights of men follow in sync.

http://www.gopalkrishnatemple.com/images/Gopala-Krishna_01.gif

http://www.cluas.com/indie-music/Portals/0/Blog/Files/25/1026/29_morrissey_lgl.jpg

In short I ignore these tirades. He knows what he's doing.

I often thought exactly the same. I feel very close to your soul Crystal! And i really can't understand the point of that article. I mean he's... Morrissey, not Bono or Sting. What do you expect? Politically correct statements or par condicio in items to fight for? If you like/love him, it must be just for what he actually is and not for what you think he should be. It reminded me about gay associations saying bad things about him because he never did a coming out and openly defended gay rights...

[The Cat's Mother]

I often thought exactly the same. I feel very close to your soul Crystal! And i really can't understand the point of that article. I mean he's... Morrissey, not Bono or Sting. What do you expect? Politically correct statements or par condicio in items to fight for? If you like/love him, it must be just for what he actually is and not for what you think he should be. It reminded me about gay associations saying bad things about him because he never did a coming out and openly defended gay rights...

Careful, SVB. You'll have poor Davie reaching for the smelling salts again.... :D

[DAVIE]

You'll have poor Davie reaching for the smelling salts again.... :D


TCM I forbid you to put sexy syntax in young Davie's head! Shoo! :banned:

Yey, at least a couple of people read my posts! "Young Poor Davie"...I love it :D

[The Cat's Mother]

"Young Poor Davie"...I love it :D

Like the Tiny Tim of Solo.....

[soloyan]

Maybe it's my lack of knowledge or my poor english but to me, this article (raising good points but missing the hook) is the last in a loooooong series of people not accepting someone raising animal rights before discussing human rights. Fighting for one does not mean you don't care for the other...

And, given Mozza's outings about immigration, well... Let's just I'm more comfortable with him speaking about animals...

[DAVIE]

I mean he's... Morrissey, not Bono or Sting.

Yeah that's what I think too, I don't think he really cares as much on subjects such as "education" and "goverment" as he did back in the 80s or 90s...He's leaving that to Bono now :lbf:

[Barking]

Like the Tiny Tim of Solo.....

:clap: I can't wait for Davie's rendition of "Tiptoe across the Tulips" with his new band!!!
(Since he appears to be quite healthy, I don't suppose you meant the Dickensian TT?)

How poor are you, Davie? :)

[The Cat's Mother]

:clap: I can't wait for Davie's rendition of "Tiptoe across the Tulips" with his new band!!!
(Since he appears to be quite healthy, I don't suppose you meant the Dickensian TT?)

How poor are you, Davie? :)

I did in fact intend the Dickension version, but your guess is funnier. :thumb:

[DAVIE]

:clap: I can't wait for Davie's rendition of "Tiptoe across the Tulips" with his new band!!!
(Since he appears to be quite healthy, I don't suppose you meant the Dickensian TT?)

How poor are you, Davie? :)

Very poor...I have no job or anything! :D
I'm not sure the band would want to do that song, but I can ask :p

[dicartwright]

"I refuse to recognize the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just sexual, the prefix is immaterial".

Morrissey 1984

That's always said it all to me. He can't put it any clearer than that. And I agree completely.

[The Cat's Mother]

Very poor...I have no job or anything! :D
I'm not sure the band would want to do that song, but I can ask :p

If you also happen to be a whey-faced waif with a gammy leg and a tattered cap, I'll be your manager.

[DAVIE]

If you also happen to be a whey-faced waif with a gammy leg and a tattered cap, I'll be your manager.

Acting is my profession, so yeah I am :D

[The Cat's Mother]

Acting is my profession, so yeah I am :D

I predict Diddy Davie and the Urchins will be the next Smiths! Please sign on the line below. :) (Of course, in 30 years time, the offspring of Gethyn Pugh will blog about how they've followed you all these years but now they're going to conflagrate their obsolete ipods with your Complete Works loaded on because Davie's public pronouncements only focus on his pet peeves.)

[Danny_]

Is he a tax exile? He seems to spend an awful lot of time in this country if he is. Don't tell the tax office!

[Kewpie]

Is he a tax exile? He seems to spend an awful lot of time in this country if he is. Don't tell the tax office!

LOL, don't worry his accountant will produce massive expense against little income. :p

[Barking]

If you also happen to be a whey-faced waif with a gammy leg and a tattered cap, I'll be your manager.

:yum: A kind of Justin Bieber, but with bad teeth.:nopity:

You can be his manager, I'll be the PA who yells at his fans. We'll split profits.

...I'll tell everyone he comes from Romania, but he'll win an Ivor Novella award for outstanding contribution to British music anyway. ("I'd like to thank the Kat and the dog for looking after me")


We' re going to be big. BIG.:eek:

[Kewpie]

A kind of Justin Bieber, but with bad teeth.:nopity:

You can be his manager, I'll be the PA who yells at his fans. We'll split profits.

...I'll tell everyone he comes from Romania, but he'll win an Ivor Novella award for outstanding contribution to Bitish music anyway. ("I'd like to thank the Kat and the dog for looking after me")


We' re going to be big. BIG.

Gosh, I didn't know you're a Rottweiler. :eek:

Who is Ivor Novella? :lbf:

[The Cat's Mother]

:yum: A kind of Justin Bieber, but with bad teeth.:nopity:

You can be his manager, I'll be the PA who yells at his fans. We'll split profits.

...I'll tell everyone he comes from Romania, but he'll win an Ivor Novella award for outstanding contribution to British music anyway. ("I'd like to thank the Kat and the dog for looking after me")


We' re going to be big. BIG.:eek:

Let's get the contracts in order, though, or it'll all collapse in a messy court case and if Davie ever again tries to buy a cardboard box to sleep in on British soil, it'll get seized in settlement. :straightface:

[DAVIE]

Let's get the contracts in order, though, or it'll all collapse in a messy court case and if Davie ever again tries to buy a cardboard box to sleep in on British soil, it'll get seized in settlement. :straightface:

:( Then where can my cardboard box go?

[The Cat's Mother]

:( Then where can my cardboard box go?

It'll end up full of lawnmower parts in someone's garage in Cheshire.

[DAVIE]

It'll end up full of lawnmower parts in someone's garage in Cheshire.

Waaaa! :tears: Where will I be able to live?

[The Cat's Mother]

Waaaa! :tears: Where will I be able to live?
Don't fret; they can't touch your long lease on a Primark carrier in an alley behind ASDA head office.

[DAVIE]

Don't fret; they can't touch your long lease on a Primark carrier in an alley behind ASDA head office.

Nasty Pasty :(

[The Cat's Mother]

Nasty Pasty :(

I know, but I'll never "do a Pugh" and say you're dead to me, Davie. (At least while you owe money to me and Barky.)

[DAVIE]

I know, but I'll never "do a Pugh" and say you're dead to me, Davie. (At least while you owe money to me and Barky.)

....uh oh :mad:

[The Cat's Mother]

....uh oh :mad:

Why are you sitting there posting anyway? You're supposed to be opening a new branch of PoundStretcher in Grimsby. Didn't you read the contract? (Standard Pugh-to-You Ents T&C.)

[DAVIE]

Why are you sitting there posting anyway? You're supposed to be opening a new branch of PoundStretcher in Grimsby. Didn't you read the contract? (Standard Pugh-to-You Ents T&C.)

Oh yeah!!! *gets the bus*

[bagface]

oftentimes human rights violations and animal rights violations are related and come from the same places in society and same structural hierarchies. though i think it's fair to criticize morrissey for seemingly ignoring one i disagree with the blogger for criticizing morrissey for discussing animal rights. i don't think that one is more important than the other and we don't need to bring up silly hypotheticals and say well what if this/that. i think it should be left at they are both things that need to be changed. if morrissey thinks it's wrong to shoot deer (and i agree that it is) than good for him for speaking up about it. if people are going to hiss and say that x is not important as y then i think that makes x even more urgent because people DON'T think it's as important so all the more reason to bring it up.

[goinghome]

oftentimes human rights violations and animal rights violations are related and come from the same places in society and same structural hierarchies. though i think it's fair to criticize morrissey for seemingly ignoring one i disagree with the blogger for criticizing morrissey for discussing animal rights. i don't think that one is more important than the other and we don't need to bring up silly hypotheticals and say well what if this/that. i think it should be left at they are both things that need to be changed. if morrissey thinks it's wrong to shoot deer (and i agree that it is) than good for him for speaking up about it. if people are going to hiss and say that x is not important as y then i think that makes x even more urgent because people DON'T think it's as important so all the more reason to bring it up.

Good point.

[Dave]

That's always said it all to me. He can't put it any clearer than that. And I agree completely.

Everyone does not have the same sexual needs. The "prefix" seems to be really important to a great majority of the people, because even bisexual people almost always have a preference. It's pretty ridiculous to look for sexual information from someone who claims to be practicing abstinence by choice though while writing song after song about (mostly homo)sexual longing, I guess.

What it comes down to is that he's a great singer, songwriter, a legend, etc, but he's really NOT a great source for coherent and consistent philosophy.

[M-in-Oz]

Everyone does not have the same sexual needs. The "prefix" seems to be really important to a great majority of the people, because even bisexual people almost always have a preference. It's pretty ridiculous to look for sexual information from someone who claims to be practicing abstinence by choice though while writing song after song about (mostly homo)sexual longing, I guess.

What it comes down to is that he's a great singer, songwriter, a legend, etc, but he's really NOT a great source for coherent and consistent philosophy.

That's a pretty 'black and white' statement there at the end. For those believe in the value of inconsistency, then Morrissey is a great source.

[Dave]

That's a pretty 'black and white' statement there at the end. For those believe in the value of inconsistency, then Morrissey is a great source.

Well, he's consistent in that regard. Consistently inconsistent. :D

Besides, yes there is obviously value in the random and in the freedom to not have to make sense, and it's undoubtedly key to his art, but that's where we can appreciate the genius, in his music, and also I think, in his interviews, and not in some sort of interpretation/imitation of him. He raises issues and makes provocative statements and I think that's necessary, for someone to occasionally say things without thinking of the implications.

He is an individual and the healthy way to "imitate" that is by developing yourself. He has a unique set of influences and they are key to his work. Any artist or individual can learn from that. But it's ridiculous for someone to try to "be Morrissey" by imitating taste, behavior, (or developing your own sexual ism.)

[Barking]

Gosh, I didn't know you're a Rottweiler. :eek:

:rolleyes: You don't get anywhere in the music biz by being a fluffy retriever Kewps. How do you think PAs get their jobs? Begging? Rolling over?:ha-no:

Kat: the kid asks far too many questions; next he'll want to read the fine print.:mad: Don't forget to threaten to kneecap his good leg, or we'll be in trouble.

Right, for the upcoming tour, we're going to need roadies: I ws thinking of hiring this team of Hungarian hamsters? Hardworking little fellows, and they wouldn't cost us an arm and Davie's leg. (Or we could simply "forget" to pay them, as usual.)

Gotta dash to my other:rolleyes: job, so I'll leave the matter in your capable paws.

(NB: the kid refused to wear his pink bunny costume at the Poundstrecher Grand Opening. Justin would never have done that.:mad: )

[sad veiled bride]

Everyone does not have the same sexual needs. The "prefix" seems to be really important to a great majority of the people, because even bisexual people almost always have a preference. It's pretty ridiculous to look for sexual information from someone who claims to be practicing abstinence by choice though while writing song after song about (mostly homo)sexual longing, I guess.

What it comes down to is that he's a great singer, songwriter, a legend, etc, but he's really NOT a great source for coherent and consistent philosophy.

As far as I know he has never claimed to be practising abstinence by choice. He has explained the celibate thing with rejection, ineptitude, etc. Hard to believe, but so he said. But it was long time ago and things have changed. As for the "prefix" matter, I don't think he ever meant to be a kind of source for coherent and consistent philosophy about sexual life and I think not even his fans consider him in these terms: one thing is to identify emotionally with someone, and this is the point about Morrissey and "us" I think, and a very different thing is to take him as a guide, or a kind of guru. I personally identify with him regardless of the prefix thing, because I never had doubts about my sexual identity-orientation, but I do feel very deeply the things he talks about in his songs: longing, frustration, wanting the ones you can't have, body-mind struggling, etc. etc....

[Irregular Regular]

Everyone does not have the same sexual needs. The "prefix" seems to be really important to a great majority of the people, because even bisexual people almost always have a preference. It's pretty ridiculous to look for sexual information from someone who claims to be practicing abstinence by choice though while writing song after song about (mostly homo)sexual longing, I guess.



Dave,

I believe you are probably missing the point Morrissey tried to make when he said "I refuse to recognize the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just sexual, the prefix is immaterial"

My interpreation has always been that in his opinion it doesn't matter who one choses to have sex with, regardless of gender, and thereore those prefixes are pointless and unnecessary.

Then again, that is only my interpretation...

Cheers,

I.R.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

its so weird to me that Morrissey would be dead to some others :confused:
because even when he is, he will not be to me :o

[Barking]

its so weird to me that Morrissey would be dead to some others :confused:
because even when he is, he will not be to me :o

:tears: Well I'm sure you will make up for all the ungrateful basterds who will one day even forget what he looked like in a disturbing jacket or in some videos , Robby...

:)

(A sight for sore eyes...)

Anyway, if he minds being treated like a dead person, I'm sure he'll let the Times know...

[murder and desire]

that's how people grow up...
Don't blame Morrissey, he's a bit past it. :)
Aren't we all?

Rather than being dead, it's just he's probably as important as the next rich gay not very bright sheltered veggie bloke...
Hey, he never said he was a genius...:straightface:
Why gay?
Whats the matter with you

[murder and desire]

Yes, he and Jake only happened to sleep in the same bed. :p

Well, he did say Bi

[Media Whore]

I'm astounded that Morrissey's sexuality is still up for debate.

Along with Jake and Morrissey living together, anyone remember Peter Hogg? What about those photos of Spencer and Morrissey naked in bed?

He may be bi but I am yet to hear of a comparable story involving a woman.

[murder and desire]

I'm astounded that Morrissey's sexuality is still up for debate.

Along with Jake and Morrissey living together, anyone remember Peter Hogg? What about those photos of Spencer and Morrissey naked in bed?

He may be bi but I am yet to hear of a comparable story involving a woman.

That is simple, Morrissey has a lot of gay fans and they shout the loudest.
Why people insist on him being gay is silly when there has been evidence of him having a GF and doesn't he have one now?

I don't know what he does with his genitals but from those early pen pal letters
to songs like I can Have Both, he claimed he well, likes both

[zepfan1]

I'm astounded that Morrissey's sexuality is still up for debate.

Along with Jake and Morrissey living together, anyone remember Peter Hogg? What about those photos of Spencer and Morrissey naked in bed?

He may be bi but I am yet to hear of a comparable story involving a woman.


That is simple, Morrissey has a lot of gay fans and they shout the loudest.
Why people insist on him being gay is silly when there has been evidence of him having a GF and doesn't he have one now?

I don't know what he does with his genitals but from those early pen pal letters
to songs like I can Have Both, he claimed he well, likes both



Please see my reply to a posting a couple of months ago:



UM...

He is bisexual with heterosexual tendencies...


Please see the myriad of random examples:



Q: You're taken for an aesthete. Are you never attracted by plastic beauty? Women’s physiques?
M: I've had a quite late development on this level. Now if I see a beautiful woman I can be attracted like any man. But I find it very embarrassing. It's the same whether it's an attraction to a man or a woman. Nothing seems to go well with me. The concept of attraction doesn't work. Human relations don't work... If I see someone I find attractive, then I flee in the other direction. I'd be absolutely unable to go and talk to this person. What's the use of going and saying that I find this person attractive? It could never go well between us. The few times when I tried to build relationships - when I was younger - they never worked out for very long. So I gave up


From an anonymous source


Oh...by the way...my dad's best friend is the keyboard player for Morrissey. And Morrissey is bisexual for sure. He has attraction for the drummer Matt Chamberlain for sure. Take it for what its worth...believe me or not....

http://www.absolutepunk.net/artists/showlink.php?do=showdetails&l=2042 (http://www.absolutepunk.net/artists/showlink.php?do=showdetails&l=2042)


Will you send me some pornography? Do you HAVE a girlfriend? Do you LIKE girls? I have a girlfriend called Annalisa. We're both bisexual. Real hip, huh? I hate sex.


http://torr.typepad.com/weblog/2008/01/moz-penpal-lett.html (http://torr.typepad.com/weblog/2008/01/moz-penpal-lett.html)




Also please view 20-32 seconds.... awwww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlUm7wvR-nk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlUm7wvR-nk)

[The Cat's Mother]

UM...

He is bisexual with heterosexual tendencies...



Wouldn't it be a little tricky to be bisexual without them?

[zepfan1]

Wouldn't it be a little tricky to be bisexual without them?

HMMM.....................How true...:lbf::lbf:

[Barking]

He may be bi but I am yet to hear of a comparable story involving a woman.

All I know is that he turned down Lassie...


Why people insist on him being gay is silly when there has been evidence of him having a GF and doesn't he have one now?

Oh yeh...Jakette! (I'll get my)



Wouldn't it be a little tricky to be bisexual without them?

If Morrissey was bi, don't you think he'd have had a quickie with Feline Wit N' Nice Tits (^) behind a job centre in Hull already? Come to your senses people!!!

(sorry smileys not working :-) )

He only likes poodles.

[Media Whore]

That is simple, Morrissey has a lot of gay fans and they shout the loudest.
Why people insist on him being gay is silly when there has been evidence of him having a GF and doesn't he have one now?



Ah yes the vociferous pink army and their propaganda. It's amusing that you find that information hard to swallow but readily believe a "new user" with no corroborating evidence. :lbf:




Will you send me some pornography? Do you HAVE a girlfriend? Do you LIKE girls? I have a girlfriend called Annalisa. We're both bisexual. Real hip, huh? I hate sex.


http://torr.typepad.com/weblog/2008/01/moz-penpal-lett.html (http://torr.typepad.com/weblog/2008/01/moz-penpal-lett.html)


I suppose you believe he was born in Odessa Texas too? :D

My bottom line is that actions speak louder than words. When he is found naked in bed with a woman, lives with a woman, takes a woman on tour, has a woman to be his personal "rent-a-hussy" as he has been with men then perhaps I might consider alternatives...but, until then...

[Barking]

My bottom line is that actions speak louder than words. When he is found naked in bed with a woman, lives with a woman, takes a woman on tour, has a woman to be his personal "rent-a-hussy" ...

I'll take it further folks! Let's have... a "Prove Morrissey likes them girlies" competition!

a) the day we have definite proof that Morrissey had sex with a woman, I'll buy each moderator on this site not one but two (2) packets of crisps. (Be careful, you'll need to prove it was indeed a woman. Even the answer "Linder!" will be given a medical check.)

b)if we find evidence Morrissey currently has a sexual relationship with a girl, a woman, that sort of thing, I'll buy all my profile friends a nice vegetarian lunch (preferably all together, to get a discount).

c) Finally, if Morrissey has ever had, or is having, a one night stand/ relationship with a female I could call personally "a nice person", I'll buy all Morrissey solo users worldwide an all-inclusive 7-day holiday in Jersey (with a free complimentary tea bag in each bedroom.)

Good luck, super-sleuths! :cool:


(PS/ Kewpie, it's salt and vinegar for you is it?)

[The Cat's Mother]

I'll take it further folks! Let's have... a "Prove Morrissey likes them girlies" competition!

a) the day we have definite proof that Morrissey had sex with a woman, I'll buy each moderator on this site not one but two (2) packets of crisps. (Be careful, you'll need to prove it was indeed a woman. Even the answer "Linder!" will be given a medical check.)

b)if we find evidence Morrissey currently has a sexual relationship with a girl, a woman, that sort of thing, I'll buy all my profile friends a nice vegetarian lunch (preferably all together, to get a discount).

c) Finally, if Morrissey has ever had, or is having, a one night stand/ relationship with a female I could call personally "a nice person", I'll buy all Morrissey solo users worldwide an all-inclusive 7-day holiday in Jersey (with a free complimentary tea bag in each bedroom.)

Good luck, super-sleuths! :cool:


(PS/ Kewpie, it's salt and vinegar for you is it?)

Worcester Sauce flavour (the crisps, not the sex), or I'm not playing.

[Barking]

Worcester Sauce flavour (the crisps, not the sex), or I'm not playing.

You got it babe.

There's also mature cheddar and chives for our older competitors.

:straightface:
Wait a minute. You"re not a msolo mod are you? :eek: :confused: Where is your ID?:confused::confused:

Let's not start cheating please! The situation is confusing enough!

[The Cat's Mother]

You got it babe.

There's also mature cheddar and chives for our older competitors.

:straightface:
Wait a minute. You"re not a msolo mod are you? :eek: :confused: Where is your ID?:confused::confused:

Let's not start cheating please! The situation is confusing enough!

Sorry. I didn't read the large print. :(

(You say I can't play and now you taunt me with cheddar and chive crisps. You're inhuman. :tears:)

[Barking]

Sorry. I didn't read the large print. :(

(You say I can't play and now you taunt me with cheddar and chive crisps. You're inhuman. :tears:)

*Sigh.* Allright. Any morrissey-related site admin/ mod can win the crisps. And the person that brings the proof can have their crumbs when they've finished...

Happy now? :rolleyes:

[The Cat's Mother]

*Sigh.* Allright. Any morrissey-related site admin/ mod can win the crisps. And the person that brings the proof can have their crumbs when they've finished...

Happy now? :rolleyes:

*mumbles with trembling lip*

Might be.

[Dave]

listen, some people need to believe one version of this tale, while others are equally devoted to another. if anyone I know said some of the things Morrissey says regarding their sexuality I would Roll My Eyes and say "whatever gurlfriend." :D

[cvete]

Oh yeh...Jakette! (I'll get my)




.

Penelope?

[marred]

I love his music but I think he's incredibly hypocritical.

All human beings are hypocritical. Get used to it.

[marred]

I'll take it further folks! Let's have... a "Prove Morrissey likes them girlies" competition!

a) the day we have definite proof that Morrissey had sex with a woman, I'll buy each moderator on this site not one but two (2) packets of crisps. (Be careful, you'll need to prove it was indeed a woman. Even the answer "Linder!" will be given a medical check.)

b)if we find evidence Morrissey currently has a sexual relationship with a girl, a woman, that sort of thing, I'll buy all my profile friends a nice vegetarian lunch (preferably all together, to get a discount).

c) Finally, if Morrissey has ever had, or is having, a one night stand/ relationship with a female I could call personally "a nice person", I'll buy all Morrissey solo users worldwide an all-inclusive 7-day holiday in Jersey (with a free complimentary tea bag in each bedroom.)

Good luck, super-sleuths! :cool:


(PS/ Kewpie, it's salt and vinegar for you is it?)

It's so called Morrissey fans like this that make me lament the days of pre internet when I just assumed they were all intelligent, charming and sensitive beings, but alas I was wrong.

[Barking]

It's so called Morrissey fans like this that make me lament the days of pre internet when I just assumed they were all intelligent, charming and sensitive beings, but alas I was wrong.

:lbf: Hey, I feel your pain. Before internet days, I thought all Morrissey fans would be intelligent, sensitive, and charming to me (as they should be). How wrong I was...:tears:

You've got everyone on here figure out Marred. Haven't you? :cool:

:ha-no:

edit/ thanks for making the Official Most Miserable Day of the Year just a little bit brighter. Without you, it would have been shite...:thumb:

[BriMack8]

So here’s my entry into the "Prove Morrissey likes them girlies" competition:

Didn’t Kristeen Young and Morrissey have a thing or are having a thing?

Kristeen Young's most recent album was dedicated “to Morrissey.”
Some random lyrics from the album are (which very obviously are about
him or for him:

Now, it seems, you’re someone
who’s like me…my someone.
I can’t believe, all along,
you were out there.

Knocks upon my knees,
you’re the only one for me.
Smack marks on my mouth,
I can’t help but shout
YOU MUST LOVE ME.

He implies. He refrains.
He plays kiss-SLAP with a phrase.
His small talk’s a Work of Art.
Those Brit boys love their discourse.
Me? I just want to scream, “OH, I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU!!”

I’m in love with an Irish boy whose penetrating eyes pierce my chest and steal my breath.

The place…
it socked my square jaw face…
my toe had dipped to rate
and you grabbed me, in up to my waist.
Contrary to unpopular opinion, the water was welcoming warm,
and we slid easily,
wrapped up and reaching, reaching…
halfway across the Atlantic Ocean.

Also, in a recent radio show in L.A. – she said that they currently have an email relationship.
When asked if he calls him “Mr. Morrissey” , she said no and that “it was much more personal than that.”

And didn’t Morrissey write about Kristeen Young:

So deep do the rhymes strike that I already feel I owe Kristeen Young something, which is the best feeling a singer can surely give us. Beneath the water-plant hairstyle (hers, not mine) is a face made to be peered at till the end of time. The eye-crossing drabness of flicking through music magazines could be undone in a flash by Kristeen Young. Please, lower yourself in.And that her heart is big enough to trot horses on.

And that photo where his head was between her thighs from the same Guardian interview – was all his idea.

And when one of his shows was cancelled – he went to see her (and this was after she left the tour).

Go on son....

[Uncleskinny]

So here’s my entry into the "Prove Morrissey likes them girlies" competition:

Didn’t Kristeen Young and Morrissey have a thing or are having a thing?

Kristeen Young's most recent album was dedicated “to Morrissey.”
Some random lyrics from the album are (which very obviously are about
him or for him:

Now, it seems, you’re someone
who’s like me…my someone.
I can’t believe, all along,
you were out there.

Knocks upon my knees,
you’re the only one for me.
Smack marks on my mouth,
I can’t help but shout
YOU MUST LOVE ME.

He implies. He refrains.
He plays kiss-SLAP with a phrase.
His small talk’s a Work of Art.
Those Brit boys love their discourse.
Me? I just want to scream, “OH, I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU!!”

I’m in love with an Irish boy whose penetrating eyes pierce my chest and steal my breath.

The place…
it socked my square jaw face…
my toe had dipped to rate
and you grabbed me, in up to my waist.
Contrary to unpopular opinion, the water was welcoming warm,
and we slid easily,
wrapped up and reaching, reaching…
halfway across the Atlantic Ocean.

Also, in a recent radio show in L.A. – she said that they currently have an email relationship.
When asked if he calls him “Mr. Morrissey” , she said no and that “it was much more personal than that.”

And didn’t Morrissey write about Kristeen Young:

So deep do the rhymes strike that I already feel I owe Kristeen Young something, which is the best feeling a singer can surely give us. Beneath the water-plant hairstyle (hers, not mine) is a face made to be peered at till the end of time. The eye-crossing drabness of flicking through music magazines could be undone in a flash by Kristeen Young. Please, lower yourself in.And that her heart is big enough to trot horses on.

And that photo where his head was between her thighs from the same Guardian interview – was all his idea.

And when one of his shows was cancelled – he went to see her (and this was after she left the tour).

Go on son....

I read that and thought "Kristin Hersch? And Morrissey?"

Then I looked again.

P.

[DAVIE]

I can't believe I started another Morrissey sexuality debate...oh well..... :D

[billy scissors]

I can't believe I started another Morrissey sexuality debate...oh well..... :D

and on it goes.The girlies want him straight,the blokes want him straight and the fags want him gay.Lah de dah de dah...

[mozmic_dancer]

Wow, BriMack8, what a way to introduce yourself to the forum!

You provided a compelling argument, but really in the end, what difference does it make?

Is first prize a trip to Jersey? If so, I may graciously donate an all expense paid trip to New Jersey as booby prize.

[Emil]

Maybe Kristeen Young wasn't joking after all when she said that Morrissey had given her cunnilingus backstage? :rolleyes:

[Barking]

Well BriBri this is all rather convincing. And it would bother me if it were true because, as I see nothing wrong with Krikri so far (except her songs, but that's not her fault), that would bring us dangerously close to Jersey and bankruptcy.

However, I'm convinced she's too good for him, as he asked her to leave: and that sort of crass behaviour makes him so unshaggable, it's rather hard to believe she did. I'm sure she's much more classy than that.

Therefore this entry is pending a detailed confirmation from Kristeen Young. I'm sure she'll spare the time.

(because obviously Morrissey would never admit anything :rolleyes:)

(BTW Is she...happier with horses? :eek:)

[billy scissors]

Maybe Kristeen Young wasn't joking after all when she said that Morrissey had given her cunnilinugs backstage? :rolleyes:

Is that like..clap?

[Emil]

Is that like..clap?

I'm deeply sorry for my spelling mistake.

[billy scissors]

I'm deeply sorry for my spelling mistake.

Youre a cunning linguist

[Emil]

Youre a cunning linguist

:lbf: Maybe I am.

[Barking]

and on it goes.The girlies want him straight,the blokes want him straight and the fags want him gay.Lah de dah de dah...

And the doggies just want him to be honest (and stop acting like a psychopath - if possible.) :)

[CrystalGeezer]

Get a life, Julie. :rolleyes:

[sad veiled bride]

and on it goes.The girlies want him straight,the blokes want him straight and the fags want him gay.Lah de dah de dah...

I want him just the way he is...it doesn't matter "what" he is, we'll never know. Does he know? Only God knows. Do you really want to know? I don't...

[Dave]

generally I don't care about this discussion but some of you people are delusional. And that's fine, but when you take a person like Morrissey, who is not, as Billy says, being claimed by the "fags" and that's a nice word to use in this context...

Anyway, when you take a person like Morrissey who has developed a sort of "non-denial denial" when questioned face to face on the topic of his sexuality, but who is quite explicit in his many lyrics about homosexual longing and then say "well, we don't know do we?" then you're saying that you don't want to know. Which is actually OKAY.

No, it's not about claiming him and I'd never try to prove he's anything especially on a board that was once created in honor of him, but need to make him straight is offensive.

Billy is right that "blokes" want him to be straight because they have an easier time being a fan. That's sad. They can't think that they spend time collecting music made by a "fag", right? So let's get out some letter from 1934 where he says he had a girlfriend.

You know all that "I can't find love because I'm a unique unicorn-butterfly hybrid from the 6th dimension" ...stuff... is all really nice and I think it's a nice story for some of you but to actually quote it and treat it like evidence... it's like using the Bible to prove God exists.

Someone corrected me above and they were correct. What Morrissey actually says about sexuality, that it's all about the same need, that's true in a sense, but I was reacting more to the way that is used to make the point that he might as easily be attracted to a woman as a man. That's really not what he said. Yes blah blah blah bisexual, as easily a man as a woman, etc whatever... but no.

Someone above needs a reply too, about the idea that Morrissey "has a lot of gay fans" so they try to "make him gay". Why would Morrissey have gay fans? It couldn't be the lyrics and the images could it?

Billy is right that most people want him to be what they are comfortable with. However, I think most gay people are comfortable with someone being straight. Unless of course they are in love with someone that is "straight" and make a career of writing songs about it.

[The Cat's Mother]

I read that and thought "Kristin Hersch? And Morrissey?"

Then I looked again.

P.



Admittedly, I was skimming BriMack8's post (a bit tl;dr before my second cup of tea of the morning), but I read "Irish" and "horses" and imagined KY in love with Father Dougal in the Eurovision ep of Father Ted.

[marred]

:lbf: Hey, I feel your pain. Before internet days, I thought all Morrissey fans would be intelligent, sensitive, and charming to me (as they should be). How wrong I was...:tears:

You've got everyone on here figure out Marred. Haven't you? :cool:

no, just you and it wasn't difficult.

[mikael]

Why you and your BLOGGING friends are dead to me!

[The Cat's Mother]

Why you and your BLOGGING friends are dead to me!

:lbf:

I know we've larked about on this thread, but you bring us back nicely into focus onto what over-dramatic nonsense it is to say someone is "dead to me" because their public statements don't tick the boxes on your wish fulfillment list.

[Barking]

no, just you and it wasn't difficult.

Really? :) Then you know today I've pulled a sickie just to spend the day reading who you think I actually am?

I'm sure you're dying to tell me. :)

...I'm unintelligent, insensitive and not charming, but surely I've got even better personality traits? (If you run out of ideas we could ask Morrissey to contribute! :bow:)
I'll start: incredibly annoying, frankly disgusting.:guitar:

[CrystalGeezer]

...I'm unintelligent, insensitive and not charming, but surely I've got even better personality traits? (If you run out of ideas we could ask Morrissey to contribute! :bow:)
I'll start: incredibly annoying, frankly disgusting.:guitar:

Yeah but you can lick your own balls and I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me that that in itself is pretty cool.

You are cool, Barking.

[Black Cloud]

I love this thread. :love:

[Barking]

Yeah but you can lick your own balls and I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me that that in itself is pretty cool.

You are cool, Barking.

:lbf: Yeah baby!

Thanks CG. I laughed in spite of my maxillary sinusitis...:)

[Ben Budd]

I'd smash Kristeen Young into next week. Though only if she stopped talking during the act.

[billy scissors]

I want him just the way he is...it doesn't matter "what" he is, we'll never know. Does he know? Only God knows. Do you really want to know? I don't...

No.I couldnt care less,he is what he is and thats why I love him

[sad veiled bride]

No.I couldnt care less,he is what he is and thats why I love him

It's not that I don't find interesting the sexuality of our man. It IS interesting, it's interesting the way he uses it in his art and in his public image, lyrics, performances, also interviews etc. The interesting thing are the emotional aspects around the whole thing. And the mystery, that should be respected. I understand that sometimes one can't help speculating, but it gets nowhere as it has to be.