Bona Drag extras

[terrancestamp]

I know people have the Bona Drag extras. Anyone willing to share?

[ToDieByYourSide]

They are in this thread. Please search before requesting.

Easy View of Forum -

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/archive/index.php/f-3.html

Bona Drag post

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/archive/index.php/t-106624.html

[Dave2006]

They are in this thread. Please search before requesting.

Easy View of Forum -

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/archive/index.php/f-3.html

Bona Drag post

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/archive/index.php/t-106624.html

Errrm, no.

There are remixed and edited versions on the new BD CD - some solo-ers have bought promo CDs and others have heard them http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=1353260&postcount=3683 and http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=1353569&postcount=3692

As far as I know they haven't leaked yet...

Dave

[ToDieByYourSide]

Errrm, no.

There are remixed and edited versions on the new BD CD - some solo-ers have bought promo CDs and others have heard them http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=1353260&postcount=3683 and http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=1353569&postcount=3692

As far as I know they haven't leaked yet...

Dave

OK thank you..OP was not clear

[DAVIE]

Errrm, no.

There are remixed and edited versions on the new BD CD - some solo-ers have bought promo CDs and others have heard them http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=1353260&postcount=3683 and http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=1353569&postcount=3692

As far as I know they haven't leaked yet...

Dave

But they will leak soon ;) :lbf:

[Raphael Lambach]

It's not leaked yet... but you will manage your copy as soon as the album is released.. don't download, guy.. buy it.
It's a work of art. D'you download Mona Lisa?

[DAVIE]

No, I nick the picture from google images, enlarge it and stick it in a frame...it does the trick :lbf:

[terrancestamp]

Listen RL,

It's not leaked yet... but you will manage your copy as soon as the album is released.. don't download, guy.. buy it.
It's a work of art. D'you download Mona Lisa?

Of course I am going to buy the album. I have five copies of the CD; 3 copies of the LP and 2 Cass versions of the original. Don't worry I have bought my share of Mona Lisa's but thanks for your 2 Cents. Because someone downloads songs does not make it a bad thing. I am a musician and people steal my stuff all the time. Good for them. I am just happy somone likes the material. Until you make your living from something then I don't then you have a right to comment. It's kind of like being a man and talking about abortion.

[Raphael Lambach]

Listen RL,

It's not leaked yet... but you will manage your copy as soon as the album is released.. don't download, guy.. buy it.
It's a work of art. D'you download Mona Lisa?

Of course I am going to buy the album. I have five copies of the CD; 3 copies of the LP and 2 Cass versions of the original. Don't worry I have bought my share of Mona Lisa's but thanks for your 2 Cents. Because someone downloads songs does not make it a bad thing. I am a musician and people steal my stuff all the time. Good for them. I am just happy somone likes the material. Until you make your living from something then I don't then you have a right to comment. It's kind of like being a man and talking about abortion.

Sorry... I was rude and cruel to you. Please, forgive me. I said that 'cause I really don't like to download.
I'm really ashamed of myself.

What's your band? Give us a link to listen it.

[SparkleBoy]

Thank heaven for Pirate Bay. It's out there, folks. Download away.

[Raphael Lambach]

Thank heaven for Pirate Bay. It's out there, folks. Download away.

I've been checking it on and all I've found was an "original" Bona Drag, friend.

[terrancestamp]

No problem RL! Thanks for understanding. It sounds like you are one of the better people on these boards. Most people just hide behind the keyboard and slam people and run. Thanks for being one of the good guys/girls. It's a health debate (downloading). The group is Christian. I can forward a link if interested. Most people run screaming away when the "C" word is mentioned.

[Raphael Lambach]

No problem RL! Thanks for understanding. It sounds like you are one of the better people on these boards. Most people just hide behind the keyboard and slam people and run. Thanks for being one of the good guys/girls. It's a health debate (downloading). The group is Christian. I can forward a link if interested. Most people run screaming away when the "C" word is mentioned.

I'm pretty thankful for you've accepted my sorries, It's important to me, 'cause I am aware I was rude.

I'd like to know your band.

[DAVIE]

Doubt Bona Drag will be leaked, until the end of month....

[Raphael Lambach]

As far as I know, only two people have a copy of it, then if they don't upload it nobody will have 'til the release date.

[DAVIE]

Look at "Years Of Refusal" though....leaked way before the release date, some bugger always finds a way!

[Raphael Lambach]

Look at "Years Of Refusal" though....leaked way before the release date, some bugger always finds a way!

I've never said it's impossible, but it hasn't leaked yet (for the time being).

[.X.]

As far as I know, only two people have a copy of it, then if they don't upload it nobody will have 'til the release date.

there are more than 2 people who definitely have it. I, being one of them. got it from the same seller who put one up on ebay some days ago. :guitar:

haven't listened to it yet, as I am in another country, while the cd sits at my home. but i am sure it will get put out very soon.

[Irregular Regular]

I am back at home tonight and will collect the Bona Drag promo cd from the post office tomorrow morning.

Keep an eye out tomorrow... ;)

[soundofthenorth]

I am back at home tonight and will collect the Bona Drag promo cd from the post office tomorrow morning.

Keep an eye out tomorrow... ;)

stretch out & wait :)

[Raphael Lambach]

stretch out & wait :)

Oct, 04th is coming.....

[Irregular Regular]

Here we go then...

I have uploaded 45 seconds or so of 'Oh Phoney' and 'Let The Right One Slip In', the two 'new' tracks on the extended Bona Drag album.

I believe this is a fair compromise for all concerned (including Moz).

Links below:

Oh Phoney (excerpt)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/2p0ty1

Let The Right One Slip In (excerpt)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/yk7jis

Enjoy!

[terrancestamp]

Thanks!

[Dave2006]

The vocals on Oh Phoney are just lovely :cool: the music... less so

The music on Let the right one in is better than other versions I've heard... but the vocals seem flat...

Thanks for sharing - getting excited by this album now.

Dave

[geezer2112]

what a tease! thanks anyways...:)

[Raphael Lambach]

Both are wonderful.
But my fav is Oh Phoney

[ADAM]

That version of "Let The Right One Slip In" sounds like a higher mix of the first version of it that I ever heard. I'm excited!

[Raphael Lambach]

They're all good tracks....

[headmusic]

You are a sweetheart...I think I had never been so happy with such a short thing before...thank for the snippets

After October 4th, it will take like 20 days to arrive, but it will be worth the ways, as always...

Thanks again

[DAVIE]

Hmm...I actually perfer the demo music to Oh Phoney, but it'll be a good track to download and have to the collection

[Bonadrag]

thanks

interesting version of oh phoney..

[motorways]

Well, for whatever reason Morrissey didn't originally use/like Oh Phoney, I'd say he has changed it completely with this new mix. It sounds like a completely different song.

[Shaw]

Is this the same Oh Phoney as the one that featured on the unofficial Revelations LP?

[Uncleskinny]

Is this the same Oh Phoney as the one that featured on the unofficial Revelations LP?

No, it's not. Different versions. The earlier one has the plodding Madness piano and drums, the newer one does not.

P.

[Joseph Cook]

Listen RL,

It's not leaked yet... but you will manage your copy as soon as the album is released.. don't download, guy.. buy it.
It's a work of art. D'you download Mona Lisa?

Of course I am going to buy the album. I have five copies of the CD; 3 copies of the LP and 2 Cass versions of the original. Don't worry I have bought my share of Mona Lisa's but thanks for your 2 Cents. Because someone downloads songs does not make it a bad thing. I am a musician and people steal my stuff all the time. Good for them. I am just happy somone likes the material. Until you make your living from something then I don't then you have a right to comment. It's kind of like being a man and talking about abortion.

terrancestamp steals music!! I know him well.Don't let him lie to you.

[Born In 1975]

So do we know if these versions of LTROSI and OP are from their respective eras or are they new production mixes of old material?

[Kewpie]

So do we know if these versions of LTROSI and OP are from their respective eras or are they new production mixes of old material?

roky who got a promo posted this (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?p=1353260#post1353260/)

[Irregular Regular]

Piccadilly Palare

Just noticed that the alternative long version of Piccadilly Palare included in the Bona Drag 2010 re-release is not the same as the previously unreleased long version.
They both include the extra lyrics "a cold water room, it's not much I know, but for now is where I belong, am I really doing wrong? around the centre of town, it's where I belong, am I really doing wrong?" however the full length version (which to this day remains unreleased) also includes the extra verse "no dad, no dad, I won't be home tomorrow" repeated 3 times towards the end of the track.
The intro in the full length unreleased version is also about 13 seconds longer than the one on Bona Drag 2010 and the overall track length is some 22 seconds longer in total.

I have uploaded both tracks to Sendspace:

Piccadilly Palare (unreleased long version)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gkhsd1

Piccadilly Palare (Bona Drag 2010 version)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gu3btd

Enjoy!

I.R.

[Dave2006]

Thanks for this IR - teasing us with this...

I've always thought that the unreleased long versions was too slow - the piano and the tempo is just too plodding - I've always thought that as someone has converted it from tape or vinyl that their player must have been faulty.

The new version from Bona Drag 2010 sounds a 1000% better. Apart from the fact that is is cut short at the end - does it blend into interesting drug on the album?

Thanks for sharing.

I wonder what the chance is that the whole album might find its way into cyber space before Oct 4th...

Dave


Piccadilly Palare

Just noticed that the alternative long version of Piccadilly Palare included in the Bona Drag 2010 re-release is not the same as the previously unreleased long version.
They both include the extra lyrics "a cold water room, it's not much I know, but for now is where I belong, am I really doing wrong? around the centre of town, it's where I belong, am I really doing wrong?" however the full length version (which to this day remains unreleased) also includes the extra verse "no dad, no dad, I won't be home tomorrow" repeated 3 times towards the end of the track.
The intro in the full length unreleased version is also about 13 seconds longer than the one on Bona Drag 2010 and the overall track length is some 22 seconds longer in total.

I have uploaded both tracks to Sendspace:

Piccadilly Palare (unreleased long version)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gkhsd1

Piccadilly Palare (Bona Drag 2010 version)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gu3btd

Enjoy!

I.R.

[headmusic]

Thanks I.R for this!!

I believe the Bona Drag 2010 version is the same mix as the one in the standard B.D, but with the extra verse included. I think the unreleased mix was just a rough one, not the definitive.

I am so looking forward to hear the new Bona Drag, I wish the cover would have been different though.

Cheers

[marred]

I already have this album with a way better sleeve design and it's fortunately missing those extra crappy tracks :)

[not_me_not_I]

Here we go then...

I have uploaded 45 seconds or so of 'Oh Phoney' and 'Let The Right One Slip In', the two 'new' tracks on the extended Bona Drag album.

I believe this is a fair compromise for all concerned (including Moz).

Links below:

Oh Phoney (excerpt)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/2p0ty1

Let The Right One Slip In (excerpt)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/yk7jis

Enjoy!

Fabulous - Thank you!!!!

Oh Phoney sounds like a very different song from the demo - a light touch with the guitar and the vocals much more forward.
Let The Right One sounds like a different vocal track altogether from the Tomorrow b-side - in this one there's a pause before the "let the old dreams die" and so "let the" is more rapid. Or am I hearing things?

*and I pre-ordered the new BD last week, so no guilt*

[Raphael Lambach]

Piccadilly Palare

Just noticed that the alternative long version of Piccadilly Palare included in the Bona Drag 2010 re-release is not the same as the previously unreleased long version.
They both include the extra lyrics "a cold water room, it's not much I know, but for now is where I belong, am I really doing wrong? around the centre of town, it's where I belong, am I really doing wrong?" however the full length version (which to this day remains unreleased) also includes the extra verse "no dad, no dad, I won't be home tomorrow" repeated 3 times towards the end of the track.
The intro in the full length unreleased version is also about 13 seconds longer than the one on Bona Drag 2010 and the overall track length is some 22 seconds longer in total.

I have uploaded both tracks to Sendspace:

Piccadilly Palare (unreleased long version)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gkhsd1

Piccadilly Palare (Bona Drag 2010 version)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gu3btd

Enjoy!

I.R.

Ohh guy....
Really thankful for your uploading.

[mexico]

well its leaked, i downloaded it this afternoon as i couldnt wait (and yes i have pre-ordered the cd release) sounds great :thumb:

[DAVIE]

"Such A Little Thing" sounds f***ing amazing remastered!

[robert]

well its leaked, i downloaded it this afternoon as i couldnt wait (and yes i have pre-ordered the cd release) sounds great :thumb:

Where? Not on Pirate Bay or Demonoid

[Famous when dead]

I believe filestube will provide you with what you are after.
Don't shoot the messenger!
Some of us expect links to things like bootlegs, demos, and the such in a forum called bootlegs/downloads. It's ALL illegal - so please save the lectures! Buy the real thing when its out too....
Regards,
FWD

[motorways]

Jesus!

The new unreleased tracks are sooooooooOOOOOO overproduced.
They sound nothing like the Bona Drag era stuff.

That said... I love them (not that I don't love the original BD).

[.X.]

wasn't this already available thru limewire, soulseek, torrents? i remember downloading it when this thread was still in page 1.
Robert, if you can't find it, email me (i believe you might have my email) and i will send it to you.

:guitar:

[tongbliss]

Someone post a download link?

And, yes, I will purchase the album and the single in all of their formats.

[VivaHollandia]

Someone post a download link?

And, yes, I will purchase the album and the single in all of their formats.

I don't know if links are allowed, but if you type in "bona drag anniversary zona-musical" you will surely find it ;) (you will see a download link to rapidshare there)

Edit: Type it in google ^^

[count_pipe]

It sound F****N AWESOME!! :D

Some changes:

"Suedehead" begin directly whit the drums, no guitar introducction.

"Ouija Board, Ouija Board" is cut, omiting all these part
"the table is rumbling
the glass is moving
"No, I was NOT pushing that time"
it spells S.T.E.V.E.N.
the table is rumbling
the glass is moving
"no, I was NOT pushing that time":
P.U.S.H.O. double F."

And in all the songs, just before they ends, beging the nex one.



PD 1: I Have alredy ordered the Album, plus "Everyday..." single. But here in Chile will arribe in November, so I can`t resist the temtation of listen.

PD2: Forgive my English!

[VivaHollandia]

It sound F****N AWESOME!! :D

Some changes:

"Suedehead" begin directly whit the drums, no guitar introducction.

"Ouija Board, Ouija Board" is cut, omiting all these part
"the table is rumbling
the glass is moving
"No, I was NOT pushing that time"
it spells S.T.E.V.E.N.
the table is rumbling
the glass is moving
"no, I was NOT pushing that time":
P.U.S.H.O. double F."

And in all the songs, just before they ends, beging the nex one.



PD 1: I Have alredy ordered the Album, plus "Everyday..." single. But here in Chile will arribe in November, so I can`t resist the temtation of listen.

PD2: Forgive my English!

Yeah I think it sounds great too, but 'Oh Phoney' just doesn't sound right, does it?

[Oso Blanco]

And in all the songs, just before they ends, beging the nex one.

What? Not enough that some tracks are cut ... they have ALL the tracks crossfading now? I think I'm going to cancel my order with Amazon!

[robert]

Robert, if you can't find it, email me (i believe you might have my email) and i will send it to you.

:guitar:

Got it X, thanks!

For those with a physical copy: is the cross-fading there on the CD or is it just an iPod effect?

[motorways]

What? Not enough that some tracks are cut ... they have ALL the tracks crossfading now? I think I'm going to cancel my order with Amazon!


Got it X, thanks!

For those with a physical copy: is the cross-fading there on the CD or is it just an iPod effect?

I think it's just a bad rip. It's not a crossfade. It's maybe the last second or half second of each track cut off. All the more reason to buy the actual release.

[Oso Blanco]

I think it's just a bad rip. It's not a crossfade. It's maybe the last second or half second of each track cut off. All the more reason to buy the actual release.

And if it's just a millisecond ... I fucking hate this kind of sloppy work on so called deluxe editions, I've had enough of all those messed up stuff on the Cure remasters!

[DAVIE]

Yeah there's a lot of cuts on the download....It was probably done intentionally by the person! Hopefully someone else will put it onto the internet with no cuts. Either way I'll wait for the album!
Gannon's guitar work does actually shine on this remaster! Fair dos, he's a good guitarest!

[geezer2112]

yep they cut off 2 seconds off each track. Got a promo rip today...

and it's not like the download that's available.

[DAVIE]

Yes, there is a new leak and the album is in it's full on the internet...so look out for it!

[olascoaga]

I found this link today. I guess is the remastered version of Bona Drag:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/ZnUB2SU/Morrissey--Bona_Drag_(Remastered_Reissue)-2010-OMA.rar

Demian...

[Raphael Lambach]

I found this link today. I guess is the remastered version of Bona Drag:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/ZnUB2SU/Morrissey--Bona_Drag_(Remastered_Reissue)-2010-OMA.rar

Demian...

It does not work...

[changingman]

I found this link today. I guess is the remastered version of Bona Drag:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/ZnUB2SU/Morrissey--Bona_Drag_(Remastered_Reissue)-2010-OMA.rar

Demian...
:thumb::guitar:

[Raphael Lambach]

:thumb::guitar:

working?
sometimes my pc is "troublesome"

[changingman]

working?
sometimes my pc is "troublesome":thumb::guitar:

[Famous when dead]

Most of these, however, do work....

Regards,
FWD

http://www.filestube.com/search.html?q=bona+drag&select=All

Don't forget to contribute to Esteban's retirement fund by purchasing the physical format too.

(Note: the 'OMA' rip is one of the better sounding ones with more intact track endings).

[9 x Fined]

or try the headache free DL:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2jd0ke

(320kbps)

[Famous when dead]

or try the headache free DL:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2jd0ke

(320kbps)

Indeed, sound is good on this one, but there is a small 'click' or 'pop' at the start of each track.
There is a VBR 'OMA' version kicking round minus the click, but good quality.
Not being a pedant - others might be though - so thought I would mention it!
Regards,
FWD

[9 x Fined]

Barely audible but I can hear it now you mention it. I've gone in and removed all the pops with Amadeus. Took about 5 minutes. Enjoy!


http://www.sendspace.com/file/wejgh3

[Harsh Truth]

Has anyone seen a download for the 2010 mix of "Trash" live?

[Gazoinks]

Thanks, 9x, sounds great! I'll definitely be buying it. It makes me sad that they cut out the "The Table Is Rumbling" part of Ouija Board, Ouija Board though. Musically it sounds good, but it kinda cuts out the punchline of the song.

[marred]

I downloaded this out of curiosity. I don't think I'll buy it though as I already own Bona Drag. I may get the heavy vinyl though cause I'm a sucker for the old skool format.

[marred]

Thanks, 9x, sounds great! I'll definitely be buying it. It makes me sad that they cut out the "The Table Is Rumbling" part of Ouija Board, Ouija Board though. Musically it sounds good, but it kinda cuts out the punchline of the song.

They didn't cut it out. Listen to it again.

[Oso Blanco]

They didn't cut it out. Listen to it again.

Yes they did!

And I wonder why ... did this version exist before and the master tapes of the longer version are lost somehow? I mean, why bother with editing out a piece of the track, that doesn't make sense.

[marred]

Yes they did!

And I wonder why ... did this version exist before and the master tapes of the longer version are lost somehow? I mean, why bother with editing out a piece of the track, that doesn't make sense.

I thought you meant he doesn't say "The table is rumbling" which he still does but yeah I realise the verse is taken out. It's about 40 seconds shorter all up. There's no mention either of the longer version of Piccadilly Palare. It's all kinda pointless worrying about it anyway as we all have the proper version of Bona Drag regardless without the plonky, clumsy happy lovers which sounds like he's making the lyrics up as he goes along and lifeguard has to be the flakiest song he has ever done. Thank god they aren't on my original Bona Drag and I can hear why. Atrocious melody. I couldn't even make it through the entire song. I genuinely would be embarrassed to put that on amongst friends... or enemies for that matter.

[Gazoinks]

Yeah, sorry, I meant the part after "The Table Is Rumbling".

I like the version of Let The Right One Slip In tho, much more energetic.

[9 x Fined]

No worries Gaz.

I wasn't sure at first but I think the remastering has done the album justice... Disappointed in particular – much more raucous than its previous, somewhat murky incarnation.

I have ordered mine, look forward to hearing it in all its lossless glory.

[marred]

No worries Gaz.

I wasn't sure at first but I think the remastering has done the album justice... Disappointed in particular – much more raucous than its previous, somewhat murky incarnation.

I have ordered mine, look forward to hearing it in all its lossless glory.

So I've been glorifying and lamenting a murky incarnation for the past 20 years or so? Geezus I had no idea! :lbf: btw any other murky Moz albums we've been obsessed with over the years we should know about?

Sorry 9x I couldn't resist.

[Stephane]

did this version exist before and the master tapes of the longer version are lost somehow? I mean, why bother with editing out a piece of the track, that doesn't make sense.

Morrissey just doesn't like that part anymore and wanted it out. On the other hand he gave us more of "Piccadilly Palare". The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh...

Stephane

[9 x Fined]

So I've been glorifying and lamenting a murky incarnation for the past 20 years or so? Geezus I had no idea! :lbf: btw any other murky Moz albums we've been obsessed with over the years we should know about?

Sorry 9x I couldn't resist.

How about you get over yourself mate.

[Oso Blanco]

Morrissey just doesn't like that part anymore and wanted it out. On the other hand he gave us more of "Piccadilly Palare". The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh...

Thanks for the insight, Stephane!

It's just that I don't like that kind revisionism ... it's the same as with movies, it's ok to extend them with previously deleted scenes, but cutting scenes we've all known for years is just a horrible thing to do. Or like Robert Smith singing over twenty years old demos, trying to sell them to us as original recordings.

So, do you think that this version of Picadilly Palare is an entirely new mix/edit as well? Or is it just an alternative version to the longer mix we've been used to and just has been sitting on the attic for all those years?

[marred]

How about you get over yourself mate.

Geezus a bit sensitive aren't we? Was just making fun of your comment. It won't happen again :)

[DAVIE]

Hands up if you like Gannon's guitar work and he should have stayed guitarest for another few albums! *hands up*

[21punksalute]

boths hands way up

[Stephane]

So, do you think that this version of Picadilly Palare is an entirely new mix/edit as well? Or is it just an alternative version to the longer mix we've been used to and just has been sitting on the attic for all those years?

It's the way the song was originally recorded, but for some reason that verse was dropped from the release at the time.

Stephane

[billy scissors]

Hands up if you like Gannon's guitar work and he should have stayed guitarest for another few albums! *hands up*

Ok Davie,we get your drift.Let it go.

[billy scissors]

The start of EDILS is fantastic,Disappointed is a big improvement I think,and Will Never Marry is,as ever,sublime.

Put it on and whack it up!

[Oso Blanco]

It's the way the song was originally recorded, but for some reason that verse was dropped from the release at the time.

That's not what I meant, I'm just curious as to why the now released version is different to the unofficially released longer version ... I find that very strange!

[2-J]

Personally I don't give two hoots what he does with the Bona Drag tracklisting.

Never understood why people get so precious about Bona Drag, it's only a compilation. And a highly flawed one at that, pointless and annoying inclusion of two Viva Hate singles (and missing several vital tracks from the era)

On the other hand, when he starts messing with the track lineup of studio albums, (e.g. Southpaw and Maladjusted).. that does annoy me :lbf:

[Stephane]

That's not what I meant, I'm just curious as to why the now released version is different to the unofficially released longer version ... I find that very strange!

Because, as for most songs, more than one arrangement was attempted in the studio. Some have different lyrics, others have different musical ideas/arrangements. The demo that leaked was one attempt, and the one that Morrissey went for this time is a different one.

Stephane

[Born In 1975]

Because, as for most songs, more than one arrangement was attempted in the studio. Some have different lyrics, others have different musical ideas/arrangements. The demo that leaked was one attempt, and the one that Morrissey went for this time is a different one.

Hi Stephane - I believe what Oso is asking is if this just-now released version of PicPal on the new BD is a previously unreleased mix (i.e. it was a mix done back in 1990 by Langer/Winstanly which is just now seeing the light of day) or a new mix/edit done recently by some newbie at EMI specifically for this release?

Same with Oh Phoney? Is this a Langer/Winstanley mix from back in 89/90 or did Moz recently instruct someone at EMI to rework it cause he didn't like the 89/90's version?

Not sure if that's what he's askign but I'd like to know if anyone knows.

[motorways]

Hi Stephane - I believe what Oso is asking is if this just-now released version of PicPal on the new BD is a previously unreleased mix (i.e. it was a mix done back in 1990 by Langer/Winstanly which is just now seeing the light of day) or a new mix/edit done recently by some newbie at EMI specifically for this release?

Same with Oh Phoney? Is this a Langer/Winstanley mix from back in 89/90 or did Moz recently instruct someone at EMI to rework it cause he didn't like the 89/90's version?

Not sure if that's what he's askign but I'd like to know if anyone knows.

There's no way the new "Unreleased" 6 are old mixes. They sound way too modern. Mainly Oh Phoney and The Bed Took Fire.

[Oso Blanco]

I believe what Oso is asking is if this just-now released version of PicPal on the new BD is a previously unreleased mix (i.e. it was a mix done back in 1990 by Langer/Winstanly which is just now seeing the light of day) or a new mix/edit done recently by some newbie at EMI specifically for this release?

That's exactly what I meant, thank you! I was wondering if the never heard before mixes/edits on Bona Drag were done in 2010 or in the late eighties/early nineties.

[Born In 1975]

There's no way the new "Unreleased" 6 are old mixes. They sound way too modern. Mainly Oh Phoney and The Bed Took Fire.

Haven't heard them yet (when it the new BD released in the US anyway?) but that's disappointing to here if true. Not very fond of Moz's revisioning of things lately.

Speaking of Bed Took Fire...just read Mozipedia (now that's it's out in the US) and was surprised to read that Moz asked Street to come back into the studio to mix BTF into its final version of At Amber. Always thought that Langer/Wints remixed BTF into AA since Street was out of the fold by that time. Wonder if Moz was stretching out the olive branch after the original BD sessions didn't go well and he was in need of a writing partner?

[Oso Blanco]

Speaking of Bed Took Fire...just read Mozipedia (now that's it's out in the US) and was surprised to read that Moz asked Street to come back into the studio to mix BTF into its final version of At Amber. Always thought that Langer/Wints remixed BTF into AA since Street was out of the fold by that time. Wonder if Moz was stretching out the olive branch after the original BD sessions didn't go well and he was in need of a writing partner?

As far as I know, The Bed Took Fire was mixed by Stephen Street and later remixed by Langer/Winstanley and renamed At Amber.

[olascoaga]

New Link Bona Drag
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F7IV010S

[Stephane]

I believe what Oso is asking is if this just-now released version of PicPal on the new BD is a previously unreleased mix (i.e. it was a mix done back in 1990 by Langer/Winstanly which is just now seeing the light of day) or a new mix/edit done recently by some newbie at EMI specifically for this release?

These are *not* new arrangements or edits of the songs. But just like the rest of the album, they were 'remastered', so they sound fresher than they would have sounded had they been released in 1988-1990.

Stephane

[Oso Blanco]

These are *not* new arrangements or edits of the songs. But just like the rest of the album, they were 'remastered', so they sound fresher than they would have sounded had they been released in 1988-1990.

So they are just different takes from the same time period, that's a good thing. I would hate the thought that they had been created especially for the new Bona Drag.

Thanks for the insight, Stephane!

[Born In 1975]

These are *not* new arrangements or edits of the songs. But just like the rest of the album, they were 'remastered', so they sound fresher than they would have sounded had they been released in 1988-1990.

Still don't like this stripped down verision Oh Phoney. Prefer the "Madness stamp" of the other arrangements that have leaked.


Stephane - Do you know which version of Oh Phoney was suppose to be on that proposed bonus disc for the nixed reissues from a couple of years back?

[Stephane]

Stephane - Do you know which version of Oh Phoney was suppose to be on that proposed bonus disc for the nixed reissues from a couple of years back?

It's the same one that was just released.

Stephane

[DAVIE]

Ok Davie,we get your drift.Let it go.

Billy....I challenge you to a duel

[senorxxxbubbles]

I don't know if anyone brought this up yet but the vocal track for let the right one slip in sure sounds like it was done recently. It's got that post quarry era vibe. Dissapointing that he retracked it

[billy scissors]

Billy....I challenge you to a duel

My handbag is loaded and ready.Lets get it on!

[marred]

I don't know if anyone brought this up yet but the vocal track for let the right one slip in sure sounds like it was done recently. It's got that post quarry era vibe. Dissapointing that he retracked it

Are you actually saying he and the band just rerecorded the song recently? I highly doubt that. I will say though that the original has a lot more oomph and does well to be as short as it is at 2:30. The new one's vocal is all over the place and Moz and the band la la la for a whole minute there at the end.

This bona drag remaster is bizarre. Palare is too long, Ouija Board is too short and so is Slip in let alone that it shouldn't even be there as it's a B side from two albums post Drag.

Thank god Bona Drag wasn't released like this originally. Although 20 years later still seems too soon :)

[senorxxxbubbles]

I am saying he kept the music and redid the vocals. So same music, new vocals.

I am not sure if I like the remastered Bona Drag, it's like putting a magnifying glass to it. It's "80's feel" is gone.

[Raphael Lambach]

I don't know if anyone brought this up yet but the vocal track for let the right one slip in sure sounds like it was done recently. It's got that post quarry era vibe. Dissapointing that he retracked it

It sounds like demo version and not recorded recently.
To be honest, I didn't like this version of Let the right, however I am truly impressed about Oh Phoney, wihich is wonderful.

[marred]

I am saying he kept the music and redid the vocals. So same music, new vocals.

I am not sure if I like the remastered Bona Drag, it's like putting a magnifying glass to it. It's "80's feel" is gone.

It just sounds like a demo vocal to me and not a great one. I think we would've heard something if he actually went into the studio and sang a new vocal for a B side that's nearly twenty years old.

[terrancestamp]

I am not sure that these tracks have NOT been retouched for this release. To properly remaster the track you would have to pull up the original source recordings. It would be very easy to take things out or put things in that already existed in the track. It's very simple process for an engineer. Morrissey didn't like the way "Ouija Board" sounded when he originally recorded it so he ask them to take some of it out. Not complicated. Yes they did not add additional instruments or voice but made new modifications to the recordings. The original November the 2nd had that horribible wail of Mary Margaret O'Hara very loud in the mix at the start. It sounded silly so but they left it in and mixed it lower. Still very annoying but less abrasive. So it is impossible to say they are original or not original mixes. You would have to ask somone who worked on the project. My guess is that Morrissey made a list of changes and they did them.

[senorxxxbubbles]

I stand firm that he recently rerecorded "let the right one slip in". Also to prove my point, go see him live and you will notice that he takes the old songs and drags out words longer when he sings them live.

[not_me_not_I]

Fabulous - Thank you!!!!

Oh Phoney sounds like a very different song from the demo - a light touch with the guitar and the vocals much more forward.
Let The Right One sounds like a different vocal track altogether from the Tomorrow b-side - in this one there's a pause before the "let the old dreams die" and so "let the" is more rapid. Or am I hearing things?

*and I pre-ordered the new BD last week, so no guilt*
So I'm NOT hearing things.

[terrancestamp]

You are not hearing things with the extended dragging out of words on "LTROSI". Just because he dragged out the word does not mean that it was recorded recently. Why would anyone go back into the studio and record and inferer version of the song. Just as the extra tracks/bonus stuff was UNWANTED at the time and left on the cutting room floor. They are bringing this stuff out now because they know nobody will buy it without something new attached with it. As somone said earlier in the thread I can't believe Morrissey would allow this stuff out of his bathroom. I LOVE the guy and buy everything but "Lifeguard..." sounds like a high school kid wrote it. It reminds me of those old before they were famous videos/pictures. The celebrity always looks so uncool when you see them without the air of celebrity and money.

[Born In 1975]

I am not sure that these tracks have NOT been retouched for this release. To properly remaster the track you would have to pull up the original source recordings. It would be very easy to take things out or put things in that already existed in the track. It's very simple process for an engineer. Morrissey didn't like the way "Ouija Board" sounded when he originally recorded it so he ask them to take some of it out. Not complicated. Yes they did not add additional instruments or voice but made new modifications to the recordings. The original November the 2nd had that horribible wail of Mary Margaret O'Hara very loud in the mix at the start. It sounded silly so but they left it in and mixed it lower. Still very annoying but less abrasive. So it is impossible to say they are original or not original mixes. You would have to ask somone who worked on the project. My guess is that Morrissey made a list of changes and they did them.

Stephane can probably clear all this up but from what he's already said, aside from Ouija Board, the others were existing mixes. The previously leaked version of Nov 2nd could be an "unfinished mix" and we're now just getting to hear the intended finished version. Just my guess...but it's still a crap remix just like that recent "Carol" one.

[Stephane]

They were existing mixes. It's just that, just like the rest of the album, they were also 'remastered'. That's why they sound slightly different to what has leaked earlier.

Stephane

[senorxxxbubbles]

I guess I trust Stephane on this one. I am all for bsides and whatnot but not so much into inferior lower quality takes that "didn't make the cut".

[marred]

I stand firm that he recently rerecorded "let the right one slip in". Also to prove my point, go see him live and you will notice that he takes the old songs and drags out words longer when he sings them live.

You still think this is true? :confused:

[DAVIE]

Morrissey's voice definately sounds too young for him to rerecord the track in the present day

[SweetFA]

He'll have done several takes of the vocal, changing the timing and intonation a little with each.

No way will he have re-recorded it years later.

[Oso Blanco]

I seriously hope that he's not pulling a Robert Smith on us!

At least, listening to the track gives me no reason at all to think that he re-recorded the vocals recently. I also believe that Stephane knows what he's talking about.

[Raphael Lambach]

Morrissey's voice definately sounds too young for him to rerecord the track in the present day

Exactly. I agree with all words of yours. Re-recording vocals make no sense to me. But "Let the right' sounds as demo version, isn't it?

[marred]

Now that I think of it suggesting Morrissey resang a vocal for a 20 year old B side is one of the most ridiculous posts on here and that's saying something after reading posts by mute witness!