Morrissey statement on TTY 06/01/10

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Statement from Morrissey:

Following consultation with my lawyers, I wish it to be known that I have terminated with immediate effect my association with Front Line Management (Irving Azoff, Andy Gould and Lil Gary), who no longer have any rights to issue any statements on my behalf. I would also like to stress that I have no association with accountants appointed by Front Line, namely London & Co.

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Interesting.

[Jukebox Jury]

another new year.... another change of management.....:squiffy:

Jukebox Jury

[Uncleskinny]

Not long for that Marr reunion then.

Peter

[maynardmorrissey]

"I know I'm unmanageable..."

[Johan de Witt]

Not long for that Marr reunion then.

Peter

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

[Worm]

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

Yeah, either that or Front Line Management interrupted his afternoon nap to urge him to reunite with Marr. :rolleyes:

[lainey]

Not long for that Marr reunion then.

Peter

please no!

[modrevolve]

I was kind of thinking the same thing...The reason Irving A and company took him on in the first place was to ultimately persuade him to reunite with Marr/The Smiths..That's where the real money is.


Yeah, either that or Front Line Management interrupted his afternoon nap to urge him to reunite with Marr. :rolleyes:

[mozsupportsrovers]

Not long for that Marr reunion then.

Peter

I do hope so, Moz and Marr on stage again, playing the songs we all love would be a dream come true. We dont need a Smiths reunion, just a Marr and Moz one:thumb:

[Dave]

Would anyone really want to see Morrissey reunite with anyone from The Smiths for money? Irving Azoff orchestrated the Eagles reunion, so Worm's interpretation is probably closer to the truth, if there is any Smiths connection. But it might be that Morrissey just can't get the support he needs from someone that probably spends more time on more commercially successful acts who don't mind selling to nostalgic fans.

[dizzywhore_1804]

Would anyone really want to see Morrissey reunite with anyone from The Smiths for money?

Yeah, I would actually. Having personally been less than thrilled with YOR it couldn't really be much worse could it? And then it's over with and was either a success or a failure and we can stop speculating.

It seems to be a forgone conclusion on here that they'd never recapture the old magic, but who really knows? As long as they work together and don't just try and make The Smiths' fifth album then it couldn't be less than interesting.

[Corrissey]

Yeah, I would actually. Having personally been less than thrilled with YOR it couldn't really be much worse could it? And then it's over with and was either a success or a failure and we can stop speculating.

It seems to be a forgone conclusion on here that they'd never recapture the old magic, but who really knows? As long as they work together and don't just try and make The Smiths' fifth album then it couldn't be less than interesting.

:thumb: and not just anyone, Johnny Marr. :guitar:

[Dave]

Yeah, I would actually. Having personally been less than thrilled with YOR it couldn't really be much worse could it? And then it's over with and was either a success or a failure and we can stop speculating.

It seems to be a forgone conclusion on here that they'd never recapture the old magic, but who really knows? As long as they work together and don't just try and make The Smiths' fifth album then it couldn't be less than interesting.

Alright, I agree that if they worked on new music it would be interesting and possibly great, but a series of shows playing the old hits should not be billed as The Smiths. Robert Plant and Jimmy Page did this the right way, called themselves Page and Plant or something, and did some tours and a couple of records, and I'm sure it was thrilling for the fans and did not harm the brand.

[dunya]

There are so many possibilities. :confused:
They may have been

pressing him to tour again, despite the toll on his health

record before any new material was ready

asking for a slice of any future publishing deal or musical collaboration.

the end may have been precipitated by them, having squeezed all they thought they could, or trying to change the terms

does he feel they have mis-managed in some way


anyone know what London & Co specialise in?


:confused:

[dizzywhore_1804]

Alright, I agree that if they worked on new music it would be interesting and possibly great, but a series of shows playing the old hits should not be billed as The Smiths. Robert Plant and Jimmy Page did this the right way, called themselves Page and Plant or something, and did some tours and a couple of records, and I'm sure it was thrilling for the fans and did not harm the brand.

100% correct.

"Morrissey & Marr" is what I'm interested in really. And let's be honest, even if The Smiths is not mentioned in any press releases it'll be in all the music mags/papers anyway as "Smiths Reunited".

[Raphael Lambach]

I'm not supirsed about it. Every year it always happens and it'll happen forever. Morrissey and hos confusions.

[jamescagney]

Would anyone really want to see Morrissey reunite with anyone from The Smiths for money?

I'd really like to see a Morrissey / Joyce reunion, get back that old Moz / Joyce magic. :lbf:



Yeah, I would actually. Having personally been less than thrilled with YOR it couldn't really be much worse could it?

I consider his last three albums his top three albums.

[Jukebox Jury]

I'd really like to see a Morrissey / Joyce reunion, get back that old Moz / Joyce magic. :lbf:


Count me in for this one:thumb:
They could do a version of 'Work is a four letter word', recreating it like it was done in the studio, with Mike on backing vocals:guitar:

Jukebox Jury

[Gregor Samsa]

A big fat "Thank you, but no" regarding reunions with ex-smiths of any kind. Let the flawless magic rest.

I'd rather see Morrissey push things and himself forward. New challenges.

[JulieDurham]

A big fat "Thank you, but no" regarding reunions with ex-smiths of any kind. Let the flawless magic rest.

I'd rather see Morrissey push things and himself forward. New challenges.

+1000 :thumb:

[mcrickson]

I've not got a good feeling about this at all :blushing: Which I know is absolutely immaterial, but..

It just doesn't weigh upon me easily, him now being without both record label AND management, particularly after that catastrophic 'Swords' tour where so much went wrong..I know I'd certainly feel a bit discouraged with all this going on. :blushing:


I was kind of thinking the same thing...The reason Irving A and company took him on in the first place was to ultimately persuade him to reunite with Marr/The Smiths..That's where the real money is.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was in fact the case for him dropping them -- facing no immediate plans for his solo career, I can see it being something they might suggest at a time like now, whether or not we here see it as a feasible career move.

My personal preference will always be the Morrissey and Marr option, working on NEW material as so many of the great collaborators have as of late. For the most part, it usually DOES bear well -- not only the aforementioned Page and Plant, but also projects like ShelleyDevoto (BRILLIANT :thumb:) and Linder and Devine :guitar:

Howard Devoto & Noko (Luxuria), and David McAlmont & Saul Freeman (Thieves) really need to get back together. I'd be a happy boy. :cool:

[sol]

if he reunite with marr this would mean to throw so many years of work as soloist singer . morrissey had been consolidated in the last years . he does not need to bring to past, to be successful, I love the Smiths and in the memory of the band, and in romantic history of music that they never reunite again

[JulieDurham]

if he reunite with marr this would mean to throw so many years of work as soloist singer . morrissey had been consolidated in the last years . he does not need to bring to past, to be successful, I love the Smiths and in the memory of the band, and in romantic history of music that they never reunite again

I completely agree

[JD93]

If Marr wrote one or two songs for a Morrissey solo album, that'd be great.
But nothing else. I definitely don't want to see them on stage together.

Still, this doesn't really bode too well. I expect it means a break...maybe a long one.

[mozsupportsrovers]

if he reunite with marr this would mean to throw so many years of work as soloist singer . morrissey had been consolidated in the last years . he does not need to bring to past, to be successful, I love the Smiths and in the memory of the band, and in romantic history of music that they never reunite again

a reunion with johnny marr would not throw all his solo years away. A full Smiths reunion is a defo no go area, but why cant the two of them do something together? they both admitt they talk to each other and that they go for drinks every now and then, so it wouldnt be like they were doing it just for the money.

I dont like saying this but its a fact(unfortunatly) that time is against Morrissey now in the music industry as companies will not want to take him on due to his dropping sales. These dropping sales dont mean his popularity has gone down, because the record companies dont think about how many people have illegally donloaded an album/single. Companies are only interested in people they can defo sell.

A reunion with Marr would bring so much happiness to so many people, and would be a great career move for both moz and marr. New fans would be interested and maybe Moz would get that last record contract after the reunion.

All those who say "i dont want a reunion", i bet if the tickets went on sale tomorrow youd buy one! If you wouldnt then thats okay cause at least i'd stand a better chance at getting one:p

[Briansd]

Why the hell not? Moz with better guitars? If they are billed as M&M then why would it tarnish The Smiths legacy? New material..... And I also don't see how it would tarnish Moz-Solo work? It's not like Mozer isn't playing Smiths songs in his shows anyways. Every time I hear Jessi hacking his way through Marr riffs it makes me taste a little puke in the back of my throat. For Christ sake, even Soundgarden is getting back together in 2010.

[dizzywhore_1804]

I consider his last three albums his top three albums.

Well, you can't argue with taste can you. Except when it's clearly as wrong as yours ;) :p

Seriously though, I don't see why people wouldn't be excited by the prospect of them working together again. Obviously be disappointed if it's a load of rubbish, but to not work together in case it's bad is stupid. Surely they can get together and try stuff out - if they don't like it then fine.

It seems however neither of them really want to do it, which is fine, but don't understand the fan attitude that it'd be bound to be rubbish.

[JD93]

A reunion with Marr would bring so much happiness to so many people


who? what if it was a flop?
any reunion with marr will be a pure nostalgia trip. i would prefer to see morrissey working with new people, or other former colleagues such as stephen street and vini reilly.

alain whyte has written songs to rival marr too. I don't see what would be so special about a full on saleable 'reunion' between M&M

[Danny_]

A reunion with Johnny Marr would be a big mistake.

I think this is probably a mixture of them trying to get him to do stuff he doesn't want to do (probably reunion) and him not really needing a manager right now.

Whatever, I will always support the artist over the money men.

[JD93]

funny how this thread has so quickly descended into a morrissey/marr rumour thread.

[dizzywhore_1804]

who? what if it was a flop?
any reunion with marr will be a pure nostalgia trip. i would prefer to see morrissey working with new people, or other former colleagues such as stephen street and vini reilly.

alain whyte has written songs to rival marr too. I don't see what would be so special about a full on saleable 'reunion' between M&M

Exactly what I was talking about above? My standard reply to 'what if it was a flop?' is 'what if it was the most amazing thing Morrissey or Marr have ever done?' or even 'what if it was a bloody brilliant album whoever was involved?' - why must we assume they've lost it?

How is a Marr reunion and different in an argument that Reilly or Street? Except arguably M/M was better known pairing?

It'd be great (in my eyes) to have Moz collaborate with anyone older, or even someone new, as the current lineup is a bit stale at the moment I think, but you can see why people would push for a reunion of a much-rated duo like this.

[mozsupportsrovers]

who? what if it was a flop?
any reunion with marr will be a pure nostalgia trip. i would prefer to see morrissey working with new people, or other former colleagues such as stephen street and vini reilly.

alain whyte has written songs to rival marr too. I don't see what would be so special about a full on saleable 'reunion' between M&M


first question- who? Answer- a lot of fans, maybe not you but certainly a big percentage of fans would like it

second question- flop? Answer- we would never know untill it happened, if it was a flop then so be it, people would just remember the good old day:guitar:

And your right a reunion with Stephen Street would be ace, how about a new Morrissey/Marr album with Stephen Street producing and Vini Reilly or Alain White controbuting to the song writing??

[dizzywhore_1804]

funny how this thread has so quickly descended into a morrissey/marr rumour thread.

I know, but in fairness it's almost as regular a discussion as 'Morrissey has new/no management'.

[JD93]

all good points, i concede. my wariness comes from the hype that would surround such a move and whether comparisons to the smiths will actually do morrissey much good - is it not slightly dangerous to come full circle on your career in such a way? - pretty dismissive of the twenty two years in between. ultimately, though, it seems a reunion between these two is the most likely reunion with any collaborator, and if it brings morrissey back into the limelight and prolongs his career then I'd be fine with it(not that my opinion matters).
after years of refusal and the swords tour - and, let's face it - his physical decline, the creeping sense that morrissey is becoming a faded 'chronicler of the decaying world' as it was suggested in an interview with paul morley a couple of years back is ever more relevant. To hook up with JM at this stage does seem somewhat undignified, especially given the amount of times both have dismissed the idea out of hand. For myself, i would much prefer to see morrissey working with new faces rather than old one - not that that is particularly likely to happen.

[jamescagney]

A big fat "Thank you, but no" regarding reunions with ex-smiths of any kind. Let the flawless magic rest.

I'd rather see Morrissey push things and himself forward. New challenges.

Well, we'd enjoy it, they'd enjoy it, and they'd profit from it. And I bet it would further Morrissey's solo career. If Morrissey was to release new material with Johnny, I personally would embrace it, not see it as necessarily a step backwards. Really, no matter what Moz releases and with whom, some people on this site will hate it and some will love, it no matter what.

[mcrickson]

if he reunite with marr this would mean to throw so many years of work as soloist singer . morrissey had been consolidated in the last years . he does not need to bring to past, to be successful, I love the Smiths and in the memory of the band, and in romantic history of music that they never reunite again

You're basing this all off of what would happen if they would come together just to play Smiths' songs. What a few of us are suggesting is that M&M come together to come up with some NEW material. I hardly think that would tarnish the Smiths' legacy as it will not be the Smiths, in much the same air as ShelleyDevoto was not the Buzzcocks.



And your right a reunion with Stephen Street would be ace, how about a new Morrissey/Marr album with Stephen Street producing and Vini Reilly or Alain White controbuting to the song writing??

I personally think this is even MORE impossible than a Moz/Marr reunion. Moz dismissed Street and Reilly quite blatantly, but he THANKED Marr at an awards ceremony. I think it's obvious that while he says he's not one to reflect on the past, he can still acknowledge the immense effect Marr had on his career. And it was a mutual effect.


who? what if it was a flop?
any reunion with marr will be a pure nostalgia trip. i would prefer to see morrissey working with new people, or other former colleagues such as stephen street and vini reilly.

I don't understand this logic at all. How would Moz working with Street/Reilly not be a nostalgia trip in your sense of things? Just because his work with Street/Reilly was nowhere near as popular as the Smiths?


alain whyte has written songs to rival marr too. I don't see what would be so special about a full on saleable 'reunion' between M&M

This is just a personal opinion. Alain's contribution to Moz's career is largely dismissed because of Moz's legacy with the Smiths. The Smiths had more of an impact in their time because their time was so short that there wasn't time to produce something regarded by the media as shit, whereas critics ignored 'Subpar Grandma' and 'Maladjusted' in the mid-90s. There was never anything like that in the Smiths' catalog. Being in their time, they were definitely more influential.


Why the hell not? Moz with better guitars? If they are billed as M&M then why would it tarnish The Smiths legacy? New material..... And I also don't see how it would tarnish Moz-Solo work?

This. :thumb:

[mcrickson]

funny how this thread has so quickly descended into a morrissey/marr rumour thread.

I think it's because it's very possible that Moz got fed up of the management trying to get him back together with Marr -- think about it, after the disastrous 'Swords' tour, it would be only good business to suggest to Moz something that would financially be in his best interest. We have absolutely no news of Moz working on a new album, so he's at a bit of a standstill at the moment. It's possible that the issue of a reunion was brought up again because it wouldn't be lucrative to be on one's way to managing an artist ready to go into his second 7-year seclusion so late in his career.

[Danny_]

I don't understand the absolute faith people have in Johnny Marr. He just doesn't have it anymore. His work with the Cribs consists of him adding some Smithsy jangly riffs on top of already written songs. His contribution to the world of music the last ten years has been completely pointless.

It's just pure nostalgia and I think there are enough artists out there all following the nostalgia gravy train. We don't need any more, no matter how many critics might tell you different.

[Jukebox Jury]

I think it's because it's very possible that Moz got fed up of the management trying to get him back together with Marr -- think about it, after the disastrous 'Swords' tour, it would be only good business to suggest to Moz something that would financially be in his best interest. We have absolutely no news of Moz working on a new album, so he's at a bit of a standstill at the moment. It's possible that the issue of a reunion was brought up again because it wouldn't be lucrative to be on one's way to managing an artist ready to go into his second 7-year seclusion so late in his career.

I'm glad someone asked what has this thread got to do with a reunion with Marr, because I was baffled by it too -
So...my understanding of the quote above is....
the management kept trying to get Morrissey to team up with Marr as it would be good for him (in more ways than one).
Morrissey got fed up of them badgering him about it. So he parts company with them.
And this sparks off rumours that he is going to join up with Marr:crazy:
Am I missing something?:confused:

Jukebox Jury

[mcrickson]

I don't understand the absolute faith people have in Johnny Marr. He just doesn't have it anymore. His work with the Cribs consists of him adding some Smithsy jangly riffs on top of already written songs. His contribution to the world of music the last ten years has been completely pointless.

It's just pure nostalgia and I think there are enough artists out there all following the nostalgia gravy train. We don't need any more, no matter how many critics might tell you different.

You don't just "lose" the talent that you have when you're a caliber guitarist as Johnny Marr, regardless if you hear it or not in his current playing. He could announce tomorrow that he would be playing in some 14 year old kid's garage band and that STILL wouldn't make him any less of a master at the instrument. His playing has just never been featured in anything as seminal as the Smiths since. I hardly think that's a reason to downplay his effect on musicians worldwide. If Jimmy Hendrix were still alive and playing with the Cribs, would you count him as a shit guitarist just because it doesn't sound like what he did before? (I'm not a Jimmy Hendrix fan, but you get the picture :guitar:)

[mcrickson]

I'm glad someone asked what has this thread got to do with a reunion with Marr, because I was baffled by it too -
So...my understanding of the quote above is....
the management kept trying to get Morrissey to team up with Marr as it would be good for him (in more ways than one).
Morrissey got fed up of them badgering him about it. So he parts company with them.
And this sparks off rumours that he is going to join up with Marr:crazy:
Am I missing something?:confused:

Jukebox Jury

Just the part in bold is incorrect, as far as my attempt at an explanation.
I'm not saying that I know that THIS is why he parted company with the management, I'm just saying it's by no means out of the realm of relevant possibility.

Frankly, as much as I'd love to see Moz recording new material with Marr (which I believe would be the ONLY circumstances in which they would ever appear together), I don't think he ever would do it. It seems that Johnny might possibly be interested by the way he comments on it in interviews, but I just can't see Moz conceding, even after he's retired..:blushing:

[JD93]

I don't understand this logic at all. How would Moz working with Street/Reilly not be a nostalgia trip in your sense of things? Just because his work with Street/Reilly was nowhere near as popular as the Smiths?


Absolutely. It doesn't matter if it is a nostalgia trip for him - just so long as Morrissey doesn't come to be perceived as an aged and decrepid rocker with nothing interesting to say. Although you could argue this has already happened, certainly around the time of Tormentors he still seemed very OF NOW. If The Smiths reformed in all but name - i.e, Morrissey and Marr, he would very quickly become irrelevant.
When he talked about things being totally campaign-driven recently, Morrissey was right - and of course The Smiths, Godfathers of Indie, would be far too juicy for the media not to jump on. That kind of hype would be horrible.



This is just a personal opinion. Alain's contribution to Moz's career is largely dismissed because of Moz's legacy with the Smiths. The Smiths had more of an impact in their time because their time was so short that there wasn't time to produce something regarded by the media as shit, whereas critics ignored 'Subpar Grandma' and 'Maladjusted' in the mid-90s. There was never anything like that in the Smiths' catalog. Being in their time, they were definitely more influential.


I didn't say that The Smiths were not more influential - of course they were - but as you say, Alain's contribution, and that of others is very often overlooked when the name Morrissey is mentioned. The point being Morrissey has worked with talented people other than Marr and I'm not sure why the media in particular clamour for a Smiths reunion when Morrissey is still making good music....in my opinion.....

[mcrickson]

Absolutely. It doesn't matter if it is a nostalgia trip for him - just so long as Morrissey doesn't come to be perceived as an aged and decrepid rocker with nothing interesting to say. Although you could argue this has already happened, certainly around the time of Tormentors he still seemed very OF NOW. If The Smiths reformed in all but name - i.e, Morrissey and Marr, he would very quickly become irrelevant.
When he talked about things being totally campaign-driven recently, Morrissey was right - and of course The Smiths, Godfathers of Indie, would be far too juicy for the media not to jump on. That kind of hype would be horrible.

I didn't say that The Smiths were not more influential - of course they were - but as you say, Alain's contribution, and that of others is very often overlooked when the name Morrissey is mentioned. The point being Morrissey has worked with talented people other than Marr and I'm not sure why the media in particular clamour for a Smiths reunion when Morrissey is still making good music....in my opinion.....

I think the part in bold is where our opinions differ. Am I incorrect in thinking from what you've said that you believe that even if Morrissey and Marr alone would appear together for the SOLE purpose of recording new music, that would still have a detrimental effect on the reputation of the Smiths?
That's where we differ in outlook :)
I've formed my opinion based on listening to collaborators like Pete Shelley and Howard Devoto reuniting after 20 some years to record new material. Have you heard it, bychance?

X7OMdJ1h0Co

Now, upon listening to this, I feel that it in no way tarnishes the reputation of the Buzzcocks -- because it's not the Buzzcocks. It's something new. A sound completely different than the Buzzcocks or even Magazine. Something like THIS is what I'd be interested in Morrissey and Marr doing. Because I wouldn't consider it the Smiths. I would consider it something new. :guitar:

[Danny_]

You don't just "lose" the talent that you have when you're a caliber guitarist as Johnny Marr, regardless if you hear it or not in his current playing. He could announce tomorrow that he would be playing in some 14 year old kid's garage band and that STILL wouldn't make him any less of a master at the instrument. His playing has just never been featured in anything as seminal as the Smiths since. I hardly think that's a reason to downplay his effect on musicians worldwide. If Jimmy Hendrix were still alive and playing with the Cribs, would you count him as a shit guitarist just because it doesn't sound like what he did before? (I'm not a Jimmy Hendrix fan, but you get the picture :guitar:)

He may still be a good guitarist but the discussion is about him creating new material with Morrissey and from what I have heard from him lately, it would be poor.

[sol]

It is like an insult to morrissey and all his work, and I see that it repeats itself periodically, especially when he was seven years in exile, as soloist singer is a lot important in his career than five years in a band .

maybe The Smiths had become U2 , thanks to GOD that be disbanded ¡¡¡¡¡¡ always the Smiths = M&M

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

umm, I have some prior experience working in "Artist Management" :straightface:
sure, its been almost 15 years or so :o but how hard can it be? :crazy:
so, where do I send my resume to? :blushing:
aww cmon, whose with me here, I am sure we could a pretty good team together right here from Solo posters :thumb:

[troubleluvsme]

"I know I'm unmanageable..."

you win. :thumb:

[JD93]

I think the part in bold is where our opinions differ. Am I incorrect in thinking from what you've said that you believe that even if Morrissey and Marr alone would appear together for the SOLE purpose of recording new music, that would still have a detrimental effect on the reputation of the Smiths?
That's where we differ in outlook :)


Well, only detrimental to the reputation of The Smiths if it's bad - but I definitely think it would damage both their reputations now.


I've formed my opinion based on listening to collaborators like Pete Shelley and Howard Devoto reuniting after 20 some years to record new material. Have you heard it, bychance?
Now, upon listening to this, I feel that it in no way tarnishes the reputation of the Buzzcocks -- because it's not the Buzzcocks. It's something new. A sound completely different than the Buzzcocks or even Magazine. Something like THIS is what I'd be interested in Morrissey and Marr doing. Because I wouldn't consider it the Smiths. I would consider it something new. :guitar:

That's a good example and I agree with you. It's really a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If they created music that follows on from what The Smiths did, then they will be lambasted as it can't be replicated. And if they do something totally different, it seems like a cynical publicity stunt/money-making operation - why not just collaborate with new people? Yes, Marr is a very talented guitarist, but on the basis of what he's done in the past few years, I'd say there are probably other people who are both talented and could conceivably work with Morrissey.
What I'm going on really is that when you take into account the way the media will react to such a reunion, it probably isn't worth the bother - unless they want to cash in.

[hand in glove]

Hmmm...I don't know...:( No record deal and no management means too much silence and possibly quite a long break. :blushing: :tears:

Obviously he felt the need to move on...I wish he would have told us why so everyone would stop with the Morrissey/Marr reunion speculation, but I trust he will pull it together. We just have to wait along with him.

[joe frady]

All apologies for popping the Morrissey&Marr bubble bath, but when I read Morrissey's statement I just didn't get any hint of anything relating to John Maher of Wythenshawe, even reading very closely the miniscule fine print between the lines.
What I did get is a familiar cold shiver - evil legal eagles. I foresee court trouble ahead. He 'instructed his lawyers to terminate the agreement'. Will Front Line challenge this? More court shit.
And why would Moz wish it to be stressed on a public internet fan-run site that he has no association with the appointed accountants, London & Co.
I know nothing, obviously. But my reading between the lines of lawyers, accountants, terminations and associations comes up with Trouble Ahead Kids! Not...'Marrissey'.
...happy to be proven utterly wrong though

[troubleluvsme]

All apologies for popping the Morrissey&Marr bubble bath, but when I read Morrissey's statement I just didn't get any hint of anything relating to John Maher of Wythenshawe, even reading very closely the miniscule fine print between the lines.
What I did get is a familiar cold shiver - evil legal eagles. I foresee court trouble ahead. He 'instructed his lawyers to terminate the agreement'. Will Front Line challenge this? More court shit.
And why would Moz wish it to be stressed on a public internet fan-run site that he has no association with the appointed accountants, London & Co.
I know nothing, obviously. But my reading between the lines of lawyers, accountants, terminations and associations comes up with Trouble Ahead Kids! Not...'Marrissey'.
...happy to be proven utterly wrong though

I thought that was a little odd, too.

[Jukebox Jury]

I just didn't get any hint of anything relating to John Maher of Wythenshawe

You mean of Ardwick:thumb:

Jukebox Jury

[King Leer]

I've always thought an M&M reunion would be a good thing if done right. I still think there would be some of the old magic left if they worked on some new songs.

In a live setting it would have to be billed as "Morrissey & Marr," though the press would go into "Smiths" overdrive. Marr would bring authenticity and beauty back to the Smiths classics and it'd be interesting to hear him play some of Moz-solo's best songs. Bozman of course still captain of the ship -- not sure about the rest of the lineup.

[ChristianDior]

Every time I hear Jessi hacking his way through Marr riffs it makes me taste a little puke in the back of my throat.

I love Jesse, but I love this quote too. Makes me cringe to see someone try to duplicate something that simply can't be copied..:guitar:of course I attempt to do it every night but that doesn't count.

[dothewatusi]

As the crowd chants "Reunion! Reunion!"...

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l112/tittletattle/JM_raspberry.jpg


Now you're on to something...

All apologies for popping the Morrissey&Marr bubble bath, but when I read Morrissey's statement I just didn't get any hint of anything relating to John Maher of Wythenshawe, even reading very closely the miniscule fine print between the lines.
What I did get is a familiar cold shiver - evil legal eagles. I foresee court trouble ahead. He 'instructed his lawyers to terminate the agreement'. Will Front Line challenge this? More court shit.
And why would Moz wish it to be stressed on a public internet fan-run site that he has no association with the appointed accountants, London & Co.
I know nothing, obviously. But my reading between the lines of lawyers, accountants, terminations and associations comes up with Trouble Ahead Kids! Not...'Marrissey'.
...


happy to be proven utterly wrong though me, too

[Dave]

Why the hell not? Moz with better guitars? If they are billed as M&M then why would it tarnish The Smiths legacy? New material..... And I also don't see how it would tarnish Moz-Solo work? It's not like Mozer isn't playing Smiths songs in his shows anyways. All of this sounds pretty good.


For Christ sake, even Soundgarden is getting back together in 2010. but this might be used as a reason it shouldn't happen. :thumb:

[mcrickson]

All apologies for popping the Morrissey&Marr bubble bath, but when I read Morrissey's statement I just didn't get any hint of anything relating to John Maher of Wythenshawe, even reading very closely the miniscule fine print between the lines.

No one ever said Morrissey was saying anything about it. I was just saying it was a possibility he may have finally gotten fed up with their repeated pushing of the idea of a reunion. It's been said before that Irving Azoff had been pushing for it. My point was that now would be a lucrative time as ever for a management team to suggest it to him -- he has no pending plans and just came out of a discouraging tour. It's all very feasible speculation.

[Mel_Torment]

All apologies for popping the Morrissey&Marr bubble bath, but when I read Morrissey's statement I just didn't get any hint of anything relating to John Maher of Wythenshawe, even reading very closely the miniscule fine print between the lines.

My first thought, indeed a Morrissey-Marr reunion never occurred to me, when I first saw the statement was, "At last! Thank Goddess, Morrissey has fired Azoff! Yay! :guitar:"

I used to wish for a Smiffs reunion, but got over it by the noughties. Not like I have to worry about it ever happening, but now I would NOT want the Smiths to reunite.



What I did get is a familiar cold shiver - evil legal eagles. I foresee court trouble ahead. He 'instructed his lawyers to terminate the agreement'. Will Front Line challenge this? More court shit.

First off, going to court is generally a bad idea and often the last resort or a threat to use against the little guy who can't afford to fight a costly legal battle. Most of the work lawyers do is OUTSIDE of the courtroom, and they work hard to avoid trials.

I have no idea what kind of contract Azoff had with Morrissey, but Morrissey's obviously terminated many contracts over the years, and he seems to have emerged ok each time. The thing is that Azoff is a scary, powerful man in the entertainment biz. He didn't get that nickname "the poison dwarf" for nuthin'. I worry that Azoff could retaliate evilly. Then again, as Moz doesn't have success in the conventional way (not like Azoff's other "clients" such as Christina Aguilera or the Eagles), perhaps he is not vulnerable in the conventional ways either. And considering how disappointing Mozzer's tours under Azoff's management have been, how much worse could his career get if Azoff were NOT involved? But then I've always thought Azoff was a bad 'un from the start and was mightily displeased to hear the news when he became Mozzer's manager.



And why would Moz wish it to be stressed on a public internet fan-run site that he has no association with the appointed accountants, London & Co.


Anyroad, it's not the first time Moz has used a fan-run website to go after accountants who worked for him (http://tour.morrissey-solo.com/article.pl?sid=03/05/14/072246).

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

Anyroad, it's not the first time Moz has used a fan-run website to go after accountants who worked for him (http://tour.morrissey-solo.com/article.pl?sid=03/05/14/072246).
I still wonder who wrote:
http://tour.morrissey-solo.com/comments.pl?sid=7968&cid=61328
:mad:

[joe frady]

No one ever said Morrissey was saying anything about it. I was just saying it was a possibility he may have finally gotten fed up with their repeated pushing of the idea of a reunion. It's been said before that Irving Azoff had been pushing for it. My point was that now would be a lucrative time as ever for a management team to suggest it to him -- he has no pending plans and just came out of a discouraging tour. It's all very feasible speculation.
Sorry, I hadn't read about Azoff wanting a Smiths re-union. When did he talk about this? If it's true, then fair enough, I can sorta see how the speculation arose.


You mean of Ardwick:thumb:

Jukebox Jury
Is that, like, Salford? ;)

[lainey]

Morrissey is doing just fine, I adore Years Of Refusal, as do many other.
many, many people rate the music of, Whyte, Boorer and Tobias very higher.

even though I Morrissey and Marr were wonderful 23 years ago, I do not long for them to get back together.
When I think of Morrissey.......Come Back to Camden, Playboys, Yes, I am Blind, I'm Ok by Myself....... and so on....so on........(too many)

When I think of Marr....Got to Get A message To You... I'm sorry to provoke but I think Marr needs Morrissey certainly not the other way round.

and yes JJ, I didn't interpret anything about a reunion in it either, wishful think by some people. I really don't think it's wise to go backwards.

[Amy]

You mean of Ardwick:thumb:

Jukebox Jury

Haha, even Moz said "John Maher of Wythenshawe", I read something once where Johnny talking about moving there as feeling like "I'd moved to Beverley Hills"! :lbf:

[Anaesthesine]

I remain steadfastly proud of "Years of refusal", which along with "You are the quarry" and "Ringleader of the tormentors" are my life's peaks. These three will allow me to die in peace. I am no longer in the thrall of anything that preceded them; the past is not me.

Sounds to me like the man is not at all interested in any kind of stroll down memory lane.

People assume that J. Marr is willing to work with Morrissey - from what I've been able to suss from recent statements, J. Marr is just as eager to live in the present.

Morrissey is now a man without a record contract or management (not to mention accountants). He has retained his lawyers, however, to clean up some sort of mess. He's just been through a pretty brutal tour plagued by poor health and (as so many here have pointed out) he's no longer a cash cow.

I think it's time for Moz to take that long walking trip through Scotland, or a freighter up the coast of Norway; maybe a long break in Mexico, or a restorative visit to New Zealand - anything that gets him away from The Business. Any more legal wrangling with management or accountants and he's not going to have anything interesting to say to anyone.

Good luck to him.

[mcrickson]

Sorry, I hadn't read about Azoff wanting a Smiths re-union. When did he talk about this?


A bit through this article (http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:YQtSB_-mP8cJ:www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a133562/report-the-smiths-close-to-reunion.html+%22Irving+Azoff%22+%22Smiths+reunion% 22&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) there's a quote by him about it.

[Bluebirds]

Moz/ Marr reunion?

All because he has got rid of the management that completely mismanaged him last year? That management were truly atrocious, even if Morrissey has had more managers than Manchester City

[Maurice E]

Originally Posted by Morrissey
I remain steadfastly proud of "Years of refusal", which along with "You are the quarry" and "Ringleader of the tormentors" are my life's peaks. These three will allow me to die in peace. I am no longer in the thrall of anything that preceded them; the past is not me.
_ _ _ _ _ _

This has to be, possibly, the most depressing Morrissey quote of all time. Yes, there's the odd pretty good song here and there but the idea that these patchy, middling albums represent a high watermark of his back catalogue is just ludicrous.
By all means, claim the latest album to be the best, but this just defies belief...

[Kewpie]

I remain steadfastly proud of "Years of refusal", which along with "You are the quarry" and "Ringleader of the tormentors" are my life's peaks. These three will allow me to die in peace. I am no longer in the thrall of anything that preceded them; the past is not me.

This has to be, possibly, the most depressing Morrissey quote of all time. Yes, there's the odd pretty good song here and there but the idea that these patchy, middling albums represent a high watermark of his back catalogue is just ludicrous.
By all means, claim the latest album to be the best, but this just defies belief...

Maybe it's you and other few think the above quote as 'the most depressing Morrissey quote of all time'.

Morrissey doesn't have to cling on the past glory.
He's looking forward which is really good thing to me.

[Jukebox Jury]

and yes JJ, I didn't interpret anything about a reunion in it either, wishful think by some people. I really don't think it's wise to go backwards.

Bloody hell lainey, don't tell me we agree on something:eek: I must be going soft in my old age:thumb:


Haha, even Moz said "John Maher of Wythenshawe", I read something once where Johnny talking about moving there as feeling like "I'd moved to Beverley Hills"! :lbf:

Do you recall Ardwick in the 60's / 70's? They called it Fort Ardwick. The grass area opposite the bus depot on Hyde Road, was a concrete jungle of Hulme Crescent style flats:eek:
Wythenshawe, with it's 'Garden City' status really would have seemed like Beverley Hills:D


Moz/ Marr reunion?

All because he has got rid of the management that completely mismanaged him last year? That management were truly atrocious, even if Morrissey has had more managers than Manchester City

:rolleyes::thumb::lbf:

Jukebox Jury

[Maurice E]

Morrissey doesn't have to cling on the past glory.
He's looking forward which is really good thing to me.

He’s looking forward? What the heck are you on about?
He’s quite clearly looking back (on the last three albums) and saying that they are his life’s peaks.
He’s also implying that he doesn’t really mind whether or not he records any new albums (because the last three albums will allow him to 'die in peace') – that’s hardly looking to the future.

[Kewpie]

He’s looking forward? What the heck are you on about?
He’s quite clearly looking back (on the last three albums) and saying that they are his life’s peaks.
He’s also implying that he doesn’t really mind whether or not he records any new albums (because the last three albums will allow him to 'die in peace') – that’s hardly looking to the future.


It's your pesimistic interpretation.

Morrissey will surprise us again.

[Worm]

He’s looking forward? What the heck are you on about?
He’s quite clearly looking back (on the last three albums) and saying that they are his life’s peaks.
He’s also implying that he doesn’t really mind whether or not he records any new albums (because the last three albums will allow him to 'die in peace') – that’s hardly looking to the future.

Okay, but he said YATQ was a "peak" after which he could "die happily" (or words to this effect). Then again after ROTT. Then again after YOR. If he released a new album in 2010 he'd once more be telling the NME it's his best album and he could die a happy man. These pronouncements aren't very meaningful. It's just his way of telling people he's living in the present, the here and now.

[Maurice E]

Okay, but he said YATQ was a "peak" after which he could "die happily" (or words to this effect). Then again after ROTT. Then again after YOR. If he released a new album in 2010 he'd once more be telling the NME it's his best album and he could die a happy man. These pronouncements aren't very meaningful. It's just his way of telling people he's living in the present, the here and now.

he always claims that his most recent album is his best. of course, that's the way it should be for all artists.
the trouble is the way he keeps grouping together the last three albums, and the way that he draws so heavily on them in the live shows (at the expense of his generally superior early/mid period solo stuff).

before YOR came out, he claimed that it was his best, and said many enthusiastic things about it (so far so good), and then claimed that it ranked alongside YATQ and ROTT in terms of greatness (alarm bells!).

so this suggests that all the unsubtlety, clumsiness and bluster of his recent albums (with the exception of a small number of genuinely wonderful songs) is what he feels he does best, whereas most of us know that the charm, poetry and eloquence that featured so heavily in his 1980s and 1990s output is infinitely preferable.

[roky]

Not long for that Marr reunion rumor then.

Peter
See what you did..
Lol Peter:lbf:

[Worm]

so this suggests that all the unsubtlety, clumsiness and bluster of his recent albums (with the exception of a small number of genuinely wonderful songs) is what he feels he does best, whereas most of us know that the charm, poetry and eloquence that featured so heavily in his 1980s and 1990s output is infinitely preferable.

Well, we've debated this before and where we differ is that you don't like his newer stuff nearly as much as his older solo and Smiths stuff. Which is fine, I respect your opinion. As I've said before, I think the last few albums have been great because they sound like albums made by a middle-aged pop singer-- if he is less subtle, more blustery, and so on, I think it's perfectly fine because he's already had a long career of releasing songs bursting with charm, poetry and eloquence. I don't want "Stretch Out And Wait" Part 2. I'd rather listen to "Stretch Out And Wait" and hear a side of him I don't know, like "You Have Killed Me". So I don't fault him for saying it's his best work. I'll bet he would say that it's his best work as a 50-year old man, while "Hand In Glove" was the best of him as a 24-year old. Seems fair to me.

[musicalcat]

I hope he's pleased with this.
If you ask me I wouldn't want a The Smiths reunion. Their hearts wouldn't be in it and the past is the past.

[dizzywhore_1804]

Well, we've debated this before and where we differ is that you don't like his newer stuff nearly as much as his older solo and Smiths stuff. Which is fine, I respect your opinion. As I've said before, I think the last few albums have been great because they sound like albums made by a middle-aged pop singer-- if he is less subtle, more blustery, and so on, I think it's perfectly fine because he's already had a long career of releasing songs bursting with charm, poetry and eloquence. I don't want "Stretch Out And Wait" Part 2. I'd rather listen to "Stretch Out And Wait" and hear a side of him I don't know, like "You Have Killed Me". So I don't fault him for saying it's his best work. I'll bet he would say that it's his best work as a 50-year old man, while "Hand In Glove" was the best of him as a 24-year old. Seems fair to me.

Perhaps, but when the side of him is 'I'm OK By Myself', a song which is basically a clumsy summation of what he's been singing about for twenty odd years then we're in trouble.
Can we look forward to the career-defining 'Misery Guts' closing his next album?

"People say I'm a misery guts
But actually I'm quite cheerful
QCs, greedy lawyers
All leave me feeling fearful."

Because that's what most of YOR sounded like to me. I've said it before - an average album by anyone, a truly depressing album by MORRISSEY.

Also, why would Morrissey/Marr end up making The Smiths part 2? Johnny has proven he can fit his style to a heavier sound or a more poppy sound, why shouldn't some of this influence and experience rub off if they did work together?

(Also, I actually don't think there was any Morrissey/Marr stuff to be read into the press release, but it was kinda where the conversation ended up.)

[DIRTYHARRY]

Morrissey is doing just fine, I adore Years Of Refusal, as do many others.

Even though I Morrissey and Marr were wonderful 23 years ago, I do not long for them to get back together.

I think Marr needs Morrissey certainly not the other way round. I really don't think it's wise to go backwards.

You spoke my mind and I know many many others.


Morrissey will surprise us again.

That is what I was thinking when reading every post on this very very long thread. Let's just wait and see! I'm sure he will jump back into it all when we least expect it.

Who knows he may come back with an album that is so good, everyone on here will quit moaning about how disappointing Years Of Refusal was! I'm really getting sick of it! The last three albums were pretty damn good and so was his early solo stuff (1987-1997)...

[Theo]

Statement from Morrissey:

Following consultation with my lawyers, I wish it to be known that I have terminated with immediate effect my association with Front Line Management (Irving Azoff, Andy Gould and Lil Gary), who no longer have any rights to issue any statements on my behalf. I would also like to stress that I have no association with accountants appointed by Front Line, namely London & Co.

»
Interesting.


Why's that interesting? Am I supposed to give a shit who Front Line Management is?

Morrissey's dull with his statements.

That's what he has to say to the Internet? He's ending his association with Irving Azoff, Andy Gould, and Lil Gary? LOL

Okay, very well, Morrissey. Not sure anyone gave a fine fuck who Irving Azoff, Andy Gould, and Lil Gary were, but I guess it was an important statement to make to the world. :lbf:

How about some songs? I mean, like, not releasing the same ones over and over again?

But I'm glad you parted ways with Andy Gould, Lil Gary, and Irving Azoff. I was really worried about all that. I'm also glad how you stressed you have no association with accountants appointed by Front Line, namely London & Co. I was pretty worried about that, too. I can sleep soundly now.

[Theo]

Okay, but he said YATQ was a "peak" after which he could "die happily" (or words to this effect). Then again after ROTT. Then again after YOR. If he released a new album in 2010 he'd once more be telling the NME it's his best album and he could die a happy man. These pronouncements aren't very meaningful. It's just his way of telling people he's living in the present, the here and now.



Yeah, he said "Vauxhal & I" was the greatest when that came out, too.

I like his albums, but it bugged me when he re-released "Maladjusted" with different cover art and a different track listing. I don't like artists going back in time and changing their works. It's like when these movie directors go back and fuck with their old movies. I don't like when artists do that shit. It fucks everything up. What is the real "Maladjusted" now? It should've always been the album he released in 1997. But now it's all fucked up. And...I LIKED "Roy's Keen". I also liked "Papa Jack", except for the last annoying minute or so.

[Theo]

god, you are so angry, aren't you?

i love it.

(BTW, I'm not referring to you as god here.)

I'm just a boy with a hate full of heart. No one will ever understand.

[CrookedLittleVein]

Why's that interesting? Am I supposed to give a shit who Front Line Management is?

Morrissey's dull with his statements.

That's what he has to say to the Internet? He's ending his association with Irving Azoff, Andy Gould, and Lil Gary? LOL

Okay, very well, Morrissey. Not sure anyone gave a fine fuck who Irving Azoff, Andy Gould, and Lil Gary were, but I guess it was an important statement to make to the world. :lbf:

How about some songs? I mean, like, not releasing the same ones over and over again?

But I'm glad you parted ways with Andy Gould, Lil Gary, and Irving Azoff. I was really worried about all that. I'm also glad how you stressed you have no association with accountants appointed by Front Line, namely London & Co. I was pretty worried about that, too. I can sleep soundly now.

I bet Morrissey feels silly now.

[CrookedLittleVein]

Yeah, he said "Vauxhal & I" was the greatest when that came out, too.

I like his albums, but it bugged me when he re-released "Maladjusted" with different cover art and a different track listing. I don't like artists going back in time and changing their works. It's like when these movie directors go back and fuck with their old movies. I don't like when artists do that shit. It fucks everything up. What is the real "Maladjusted" now? It should've always been the album he released in 1997. But now it's all fucked up. And...I LIKED "Roy's Keen". I also liked "Papa Jack", except for the last annoying minute or so.

This is the worst plot for a Philip K. Dick story ever.

[I am a Ghost]

I've only just read the full statement now. Agents and accountants don't interest me one iota.

[jamescagney]

Oh for crying out loud. I find it hard to believe so many people could get so angry about such a dull, dry statement of fact. When it's the same people taking offense to every word and action of Morrissey, you have to wonder if it's authentic, or just a knee-jerk reaction, regardless of what is being said. I'd love to see Morrissey write "I like tea" or "Woke up this morning" and see the inevitable reaction here.

It's entirely possible Morrissey was instructed by his lawyers to post a public statement about this for legal reasons, not caring if it meant anything to us the fans. Like how people have legal need to post public statements of intent to do this or that in newspaper classifieds.

Consider that Front Line Management was purchased a year or so ago by TicketBastards, a group that many hate for their treatment and bilking of fans and artists alike. And also consider how TicketMaster carried the tickets for the last tour and required fans to buy digital downloads of Swords with their tickets, sometimes multiple times.

You negative Nellys might take some time off and write some albums that are half as good as Morrissey's... then come back here when you're done with that.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Oh for crying out loud. I find it hard to believe so many people could get so angry about such a dull, dry statement of fact. When it's the same people taking offense to every word and action of Morrissey, you have to wonder if it's authentic, or just a knee-jerk reaction, regardless of what is being said. I'd love to see Morrissey write "I like tea" or "Woke up this morning" and see the inevitable reaction here.



I KNOW! It never ceases to amaze me.

[Quiffaa]

When it's the same people taking offense to every word and action of Morrissey, you have to wonder if it's authentic, or just a knee-jerk reaction, regardless of what is being said. I'd love to see Morrissey write "I like tea" or "Woke up this morning" and see the inevitable reaction here.

:thumb::lbf:
Exactly. It would be hilarious. Maybe he should realy do it just to have a chuckle at the 'low' of So-low (which is a nice site except the occassional :crazy:'s

[jamescagney]

:thumb::lbf:
Exactly. It would be hilarious. Maybe he should realy do it just to have a chuckle at the 'low' of So-low (which is a nice site except the occassional :crazy:'s

Agreed

Morrissey, please post a message to TTY that says simply "I like tea" or "Woke up this morning." kthxbai :D

[Max Bialy]

The Smiths had more of an impact in their time because their time was so short that there wasn't time to produce something regarded by the media as shit

They released four albums, that is quite a long time to produce something regarded as "shit". For most bands two records is more than sufficient...

[jamescagney]

It bugged me when he re-released "Maladjusted" with different cover art and a different track listing. I don't like artists going back in time and changing their works.

But he had to! Al said Ziggy predicted a 98% chance that he had to remove "Roy's Keen" and change the track order if he ever wanted to make the leap home.

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Oh for crying out loud. I find it hard to believe so many people could get so angry about such a dull, dry statement of fact. When it's the same people taking offense to every word and action of Morrissey, you have to wonder if it's authentic, or just a knee-jerk reaction, regardless of what is being said. I'd love to see Morrissey write "I like tea" or "Woke up this morning" and see the inevitable reaction here.

It's entirely possible Morrissey was instructed by his lawyers to post a public statement about this for legal reasons, not caring if it meant anything to us the fans. Like how people have legal need to post public statements of intent to do this or that in newspaper classifieds.

Consider that Front Line Management was purchased a year or so ago by TicketBastards, a group that many hate for their treatment and bilking of fans and artists alike. And also consider how TicketMaster carried the tickets for the last tour and required fans to buy digital downloads of Swords with their tickets, sometimes multiple times.

You negative Nellys might take some time off and write some albums that are half as good as Morrissey's... then come back here when you're done with that.

Well said. The Ticketmaster/LiveNation merger is probably going through soon, and it's not a good thing for anyone but TM and LN. Perhaps the statement was prompted by that.

[Mars_Rover]

When did Irving Azoff and Morrissey get together, anyone remember? 2007 maybe? I must confess I didn't understand the union. Read "Stiffed: A True Story of MCA, the Music Business, and the Mafia" if you want to get a glimpse of what a hard-boiled bastard Azoff is.

But ah yes, it all comes clear when you remember the news item a few years back that Morrissey and Marr were offered $5 million to reunite. That's just the sort of blood in the water that will attract a shark.

[Silke]

I almost got a heart attack when I read this statement. :eek:

Unfortunatly I survived this and have no idea why. Might be because I had just read about the court case and it was too related to the things I had wondered about. When I was younger I thought that I cannot know everything and decided to rely on specialists on a few matters. This has been corrected in the meantime and it occurs to me to be a gross mistake in life to not at least get some basic knowledge in every area that is relevant to your life.

[CrystalGeezer]

Morrissey may get snippy and fighty sometimes but he strikes me as someone who wouldn't take kindly to being emplyed by someone called FRONT LINE and I mean that as a war metaphor, not a flea-reducing metaphor. These things mean a lot to him I suspect. Maybe.

[jamescagney]

Morrissey may get snippy and fighty sometimes but he strikes me as someone who wouldn't take kindly to being emplyed by someone called FRONT LINE and I mean that as a war metaphor, not a flea-reducing metaphor. These things mean a lot to him I suspect. Maybe.

Well, there *is* his association with Attack Records... on which he released that album with him as a gun-carrying gangster on the cover. Not to mention the 1+ years where he was willingly associated with Front Line Management.

[CrystalGeezer]

Well, there *is* his association with Attack Records... on which he released that album with him as a gun-carrying gangster on the cover. Not to mention the 1+ years where he was willingly associated with Front Line Management.

Okay. True. Now he's saying he's dissolved that relationship.

What do you think he was attacking?

[CrystalGeezer]

Okay. True. Now he's saying he's dissolved that relationship.

What do you think he was attacking?

I meant to hit the quote button and hit edit instead.

I'm going to go ahead and answer this so that you all can dismiss it which is fine, but it's kinda important due to it's complexity. Remember that weird thread I started about Morrissey being a ship? He was being the ship that carried the Argonauts that sought the Golden Fleece. Think Fleece instead of Fleas.

http://alldogmeds.com/pics/frontline.jpg

So back in the Attack days, he was simultaneously being an Argonaut AND the golden fleece, he just didn't know it. Now coming to terms with the fleece part of himself and not wanting to attack himself, he's dissolving his relationship with the Argonauts.

It makes way more sense in my brain and once I type it it just looks so insane, but this is what I suspect is going on. Now Morrissey has to protect his golden fleece, not try to exploit it. You can read about the fleece here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece). The ewe is the little lamb on the hill who is running as fast as she can to avoid these dumb argonauts. (They're not "dumb" they're just, I dunno, frustrating.)

Commence the SIGHFEST!

[jamescagney]

I meant to hit the quote button and hit edit instead.

I'm going to go ahead and answer this so that you all can dismiss it which is fine, but it's kinda important due to it's complexity. Remember that weird thread I started about Morrissey being a ship? He was being the ship that carried the Argonauts that sought the Golden Fleece. Think Fleece instead of Fleas.

So back in the Attack days, he was simultaneously being an Argonaut AND the golden fleece, he just didn't know it. Now coming to terms with the fleece part of himself and not wanting to attack himself, he's dissolving his relationship with the Argonauts.

It makes way more sense in my brain and once I type it it just looks so insane, but this is what I suspect is going on. Now Morrissey has to protect his golden fleece, not try to exploit it. You can read about the fleece here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece). The ewe is the little lamb on the hill who is running as fast as she can to avoid these dumb argonauts. (They're not "dumb" they're just, I dunno, frustrating.)

Commence the SIGHFEST!

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[someofusisturningnasty]

I meant to hit the quote button and hit edit instead.

I'm going to go ahead and answer this so that you all can dismiss it which is fine, but it's kinda important due to it's complexity. Remember that weird thread I started about Morrissey being a ship? He was being the ship that carried the Argonauts that sought the Golden Fleece. Think Fleece instead of Fleas.

http://alldogmeds.com/pics/frontline.jpg

So back in the Attack days, he was simultaneously being an Argonaut AND the golden fleece, he just didn't know it. Now coming to terms with the fleece part of himself and not wanting to attack himself, he's dissolving his relationship with the Argonauts.

It makes way more sense in my brain and once I type it it just looks so insane, but this is what I suspect is going on. Now Morrissey has to protect his golden fleece, not try to exploit it. You can read about the fleece here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece). The ewe is the little lamb on the hill who is running as fast as she can to avoid these dumb argonauts. (They're not "dumb" they're just, I dunno, frustrating.)

Commence the SIGHFEST!

Fuck me CG, I think I must have been around here too long because honest to god, that did make sense to me. :thumb::squiffy:

[Girl-with-the-Thorn]

A big fat "Thank you, but no" regarding reunions with ex-smiths of any kind. Let the flawless magic rest.

I'd rather see Morrissey push things and himself forward. New challenges.

:clap: I completely agree.

Is it just me, or does this statement seem to be rather abrupt, almost...angry? Or has the cold weather addled my brains?

[jamescagney]

Does this statement seem to be rather abrupt, almost...angry? Or has the cold weather addled my brains?

Definitely the latter. :lbf:

[Dave]

I meant to hit the quote button and hit edit instead.

I'm going to go ahead and answer this so that you all can dismiss it which is fine, but it's kinda important due to it's complexity. Remember that weird thread I started about Morrissey being a ship? He was being the ship that carried the Argonauts that sought the Golden Fleece. Think Fleece instead of Fleas.

http://alldogmeds.com/pics/frontline.jpg

So back in the Attack days, he was simultaneously being an Argonaut AND the golden fleece, he just didn't know it. Now coming to terms with the fleece part of himself and not wanting to attack himself, he's dissolving his relationship with the Argonauts.

It makes way more sense in my brain and once I type it it just looks so insane, but this is what I suspect is going on. Now Morrissey has to protect his golden fleece, not try to exploit it. You can read about the fleece here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece). The ewe is the little lamb on the hill who is running as fast as she can to avoid these dumb argonauts. (They're not "dumb" they're just, I dunno, frustrating.)

Commence the SIGHFEST!

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[jamescagney]

Fuck me CG

:eek:

[Dave]

It's a term used for expressing surprise. "Fuck" is a versatile word.

[jamescagney]

It's a term used for expressing surprise. "Fuck" is a versatile word.

Well fuck me.

[Dave]

Well fuck me.

See, taking it out of context produces a whole different effect. Also, :eek: .

[CrystalGeezer]

Fuck me CG, I think I must have been around here too long because honest to god, that did make sense to me. :thumb::squiffy:

Your place or mine? :p

[CrystalGeezer]

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:tears::tears: Aww, thanks Dave.

I was thinking about my crazy train while I was driving to my friends house tonight. I know there can be cases made for "magical thinking" or "delusions of grandeur" on my part, even something shrinks call "ideas of reference" when I talk to them about seeing signs and stuff, but something interesting that so far only Theo has touched on is WHY is Morrissey naming these specific names? The cynic of my own dreamy thinking thinks that it's because he's thorough and sorta weird, but the hopeful dreamy girl who imagines that we're soulmates thinks maybe he really is communicating specifics to me so that I can work them into my/our equation and the reason that he doesn't just email me his details or call me on the flippin phone is because he's caught up in the hermetically sealed off from each other world that makes our chemistry so, I dunno, potentially interesting to the layman. The Andy Goulden Fleece maybe? I dunno. But I do know that if I'm on to something and he does dig me in a way, I'd make the best husband to Morrissey ever and besides being goofy I'm pretty mellow so I think you all should root for me NOT to be voted off Morrissey Surreality Island since, well, I'm a good person who'd take care of our boy. :o :p :thumb:

[Dave]

I think that he named the names because this is what you do in a legal notice, "I am no longer responsible for the debts of (former spouse)" but it is unusual seeing it released on a fansite.

Cutting to the chase, the Universe is a Hologram. If you tear a hologram in half, you can still see the whole image in each piece. The whole is contained in all parts, or the INFORMATION necessary to create the whole, anyway.

So in a sense your idea is contained in Morrissey's statement.

I believe you err in thinking he put the idea there in purpose, in a sort of code. This type of thinking can be dangerous to your health and well-being. Morrissey does communicate to you, and communicates to us all. (Sometimes, though increasingly less, I am shocked when people don't see the obvious point of view and intent being conveyed in a Morrissey song. like when some chick wants to marry him.)

Concluding here, and trying to convince you, I ask you to consider the many artists who say that their best songs just come to them complete, or specifically, Keith Richard, in an interview I read once, saying that he is just an antenna, that the songs are out there and he just receives them. I don't think Morrissey plans the lyrics of his songs and I don't think he put hidden this sort of elaborate hidden message in his statement. But that doesn't mean that your "surreal" interpretation is any less valid, and it's actually really cool. It might be specific to you and your interpretation of Morrissey and I'd have to say that I don't think he is aware of it or planned it, and I'd encourage you to think that any messages he sends in his work are more universal, and not aimed at you. That's healthier.

But who knows what's happening in your little section of the Hologram Universe? ;)

[CrystalGeezer]

But who knows what's happening in your little section of the Hologram Universe? ;)

Yes, you're absolutely right. The good news for me also is that if the right person came along that felt up to the task of repairng the ginormous broken part of my heart from a long life of not having such a nice life, and who was able to accept my love in return of which I have a lot and that person wasn't Morrissey, I'd consider him for a second. The thing is, my "connection" to him just seems different. It's impossible to describe, I can't get what's in my brain onto the page elegantly, but I feel he's the one but sadly can only reason it with facts and connections so archaic and bizarre that not a lot of people in this quick-satisfaction world we live in have an attention span for it. Feeling can only get you so far when reason must validate the feelings. So at the end of the day and my journey when I realize "Huh, he never contacts me despite repeated attempts, I guess the guy doesn't feel the same way." at least I can think about possibly repackaging up my passion into finding someone who does want to touch me or write me or whatever, so I guess my point is...:tears:...bleh. I'm not a total lost cause for finding love. It's just all signs point to him.

[troubleluvsme]

:tears::tears: Aww, thanks Dave.

I was thinking about my crazy train while I was driving to my friends house tonight. I know there can be cases made for "magical thinking" or "delusions of grandeur" on my part, even something shrinks call "ideas of reference" when I talk to them about seeing signs and stuff, but something interesting that so far only Theo has touched on is WHY is Morrissey naming these specific names? The cynic of my own dreamy thinking thinks that it's because he's thorough and sorta weird, but the hopeful dreamy girl who imagines that we're soulmates thinks maybe he really is communicating specifics to me so that I can work them into my/our equation and the reason that he doesn't just email me his details or call me on the flippin phone is because he's caught up in the hermetically sealed off from each other world that makes our chemistry so, I dunno, potentially interesting to the layman. The Andy Goulden Fleece maybe? I dunno. But I do know that if I'm on to something and he does dig me in a way, I'd make the best husband to Morrissey ever and besides being goofy I'm pretty mellow so I think you all should root for me NOT to be voted off Morrissey Surreality Island since, well, I'm a good person who'd take care of our boy. :o :p :thumb:

CG, I think you're awesome. I think you'd make it all the way to the end of
Morrissey Surreality Island.
I lol'd at "Surreality." :lbf:

[CrystalGeezer]

CG, I think you're awesome. I think you'd make it all the way to the end of
Morrissey Surreality Island.
I lol'd at "Surreality." :lbf:

I thought of that while taking a shower. :p See Morrissey? I'm funny too. And I'm clean. :D