The Moz/Smiths Top 100, Part 239: SHAME IS THE NAME

[Houdini]

In 2007, and early 2008, we put up polls for all 234 then released Morrissey and The Smiths-songs. More than 25,000 votes were cast and the result was The Morrissey/Smiths Top 100 (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=83646), or indeed, The Morrissey/The Smiths Top 234. This year many people have asked me to continue with the polls as 18 new Morrissey-songs have been released since. With the release of 'Swords' now seems as good a time as any to start them.

Song 239: Shame Is The Name
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Voting should be something along these lines:
10: Perfection
9: Near perfect, brilliant
8: Really good Moz/Smiths song
7: Good Moz/Smiths song
6: OK, Nothing special
5: Uninspired
4: Poor
3: Bad
2: Should never have been released
1: He should be ashamed

Previous polls (voting will remain open):

Part 238: I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=104804)
Part 237: My Dearest Love (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=104721)
Part 236: Drive-In Saturday (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=104628)
Part 235: Children In Pieces (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=104435)
Part 234: That's How People Grow Up (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=83114)
Part 233: All You Need Is Me (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=83041)
Part 232 and previous (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=82967)

[GlasgowChivas]

It's an 8!

[CrookedLittleVein]

Seven. A good, solid song. The first few times I heard it, I thought it fell under the 'loud and stodgy' category of Morrissey song, but when I listened to it with headphones, I found it was suprisingly light and textured.

One criticism: Ms. Hynde is too far back in the mix. If this had been more of a duet*, I think it would have warranted an eight.

All-in-all, though, good stuff.

*If someone out there has the necessary software, I'd love to hear a more 'duety' version. :)

[prisoner77]

I'll give it a 9 due to Ms Hynde

[mcrickson]

I'm a fan of the harmonica and the breakdown. It would be very cool to see this onstage. :guitar:

[lottie]

I would give it a 10 but i was so shocked by the terrible grammar, (even though it works as part of the song) but i find it incredibly funny, so 9 it is..
:)

[Barking]

It's a 7 but I'm being magnanimous. I's certainly not the daft lyrics that make it a 7 though (yeh we got them metaphors :rolleyes: and they're still poor lazy lyrics)(and I don't like the sentiment as always -as there's none) It's Ms Hynde and the catchy melody. The dialogue intro, even. That was cool. Ish.

Logically it's not Morrissey that gets those points then.:cool: "oops a daisy".

[GlasgowChivas]

Seven. A good, solid song. The first few times I heard it, I thought it fell under the 'loud and stodgy' category of Morrissey song, but when I listened to it with headphones, I found it was suprisingly light and textured.

One criticism: Ms. Hynde is too far back in the mix. If this had been more of a duet*, I think it would have warranted an eight.

All-in-all, though, good stuff.

*If someone out there has the necessary software, I'd love to hear a more 'duety' version. :)

Totally agree about Hynde. You only really hear her in the last go around.

Still an 8 for me though.

[Maurice E]

This is a fantastic song - way up there in his top 10 of the decade.
With a tale taking in the shame of politicians, the plight of feckless youth, the death of armed forces personnel, no-one else has written a song which is so 2009. Not only are the lyrics a welcome respite from the well-worn unrequited love theme, with some splendid turns of phrase (dim-ass teen on the spree!), but the music is wonderful too. Some fantastic guitar lines, a glorious keyboard part, a lovely windswept harmonica, and a brilliant sing-along chorus. As if that’s not enough, Chrissie Hynde drops by to contribute some gorgeous harmonies. Great work guys!

[Raphael Lambach]

I would give it a 10 but i was so shocked by the terrible grammar, (even though it works as part of the song) but i find it incredibly funny, so 9 it is..
:)

Really really.

[Barking]

Not only are the lyrics a welcome respite from the well-worn unrequited love theme


:straightface:

"ah! don't bring up the small faces!"

[Dothatagain?]

This is a fantastic song - way up there in his top 10 of the decade.
With a tale taking in the shame of politicians, the plight of feckless youth, the death of armed forces personnel, no-one else has written a song which is so 2009. Not only are the lyrics a welcome respite from the well-worn unrequited love theme, with some splendid turns of phrase (dim-ass teen on the spree!), but the music is wonderful too. Some fantastic guitar lines, a glorious keyboard part, a lovely windswept harmonica, and a brilliant sing-along chorus. As if that’s not enough, Chrissie Hynde drops by to contribute some gorgeous harmonies. Great work guys!

Agreed. I think the use of POV in the song is really clever too, because (and this is purely my reading of it) I don't think the opening verses are Morrissey speaking. He sounds like an observer, narrating a conversation between the young boy/girl and the politician ("she laughed and said ...").

So it's the politician giving the typical Daily Mail-baiting lecture about drunken louts, but then Morrissey pulls him up on it in the last verse ("will you listen to yourself just once in your life"), and points out that he should feel just as ashamed as the kids he's lecturing.

And as you say, the music is fantastic. I love the harmonica in the break. Then there's that vocal, and his different creative ways of singing "what's your na-ha-hame ..."

Love it. 9/10.

[MissGladys]

love this song, very catchy!
should have been a single imo.
all in all great pop song - 9!

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

when and if :confused: he is able to perform in December @ Oakland
oh god, I hope he sings this song :pray:

[justme]

Another favorite from SWORDS :thumb:

It's a 9 :guitar:

[Suedebread]

I wanted to give it an 8, but then I started thinking of the bigger picture, and how there are songs across his entire catalogue that I would give an 8 but rate far above this. So after second-guessing myself a bit too much, it's a 7


And I agree with the poster saying Chrissie Hynde could do with being a wee bit higher in the mix.

[alma matters]

My favorite song of the YOR period. If this was an a-side it'd be the best song on the album.

[Jamie]

To me, the ardor for this song is a headscratcher. Can't-be-arsed lyrics and Alain's weakest B-side contribution since I Am Two People. It is very, very average - Chrissie Hynde or no.

[ray_afraid]

I love it to pieces!

[Maurice E]

To me, the ardor for this song is a headscratcher. Can't-be-arsed lyrics and Alain's weakest B-side contribution since I Am Two People. It is very, very average - Chrissie Hynde or no.


It’s all about the music maan!
Don’t you just love the brilliant keyboard line in the middle eight, and that wonderfully windswept harmonica? When did we last get harmonica in a Moz song?
And the guitar parts have a real energy and swagger about them.
And whilst it might not be lyrical genius, at least it’s not the usual mixture of clumsiness, bluntness and aggression that Moz passes off for lyrics so often these days. It’s such a relief to hear him reflect on things other than himself (and his unrequited plight) just for once...

[celibate]

Missed a few songs in the poll allready

gave it a generous 6, just an auto pilot song, as you hear the lyrics
it should've been more acoustic, or at least a bit of meloncholy in the
music, which isn't
just the same guitar laden songs like Boy Racer

good to see you polling agian Houdini

groetjes G. en aan A

[somebody loved me]

I like it but I much prefer My Love Life, Hynde & Moz first effort together.
7 is my vote.

[Jamie]

It’s all about the music maan!
Don’t you just love the brilliant keyboard line in the middle eight, and that wonderfully windswept harmonica? When did we last get harmonica in a Moz song?
And the guitar parts have a real energy and swagger about them.
And whilst it might not be lyrical genius, at least it’s not the usual mixture of clumsiness, bluntness and aggression that Moz passes off for lyrics so often these days. It’s such a relief to hear him reflect on things other than himself (and his unrequited plight) just for once...

When did we last NEED a harmonica in a Morrissey song, Maurice? ;)

It's all subjective. I'm glad you hear something in it. For me, it just leaves me cold. My Dearest Love was probably the best of the recent crop of B-sides. And, frankly, I think the Alain songs are lacking without his musical contributions. Many of his instrumentals on his myspace site have been more interesting musically than recent Morrissey songs. Again, my opinion. Because of My Poor Education was better, but I still hear a LOT of Trouble Loves Me in it.

Cheers,
Jamie

[Girl-with-the-Thorn]

This is a fantastic song - way up there in his top 10 of the decade.
With a tale taking in the shame of politicians, the plight of feckless youth, the death of armed forces personnel, no-one else has written a song which is so 2009. Not only are the lyrics a welcome respite from the well-worn unrequited love theme, with some splendid turns of phrase (dim-ass teen on the spree!), but the music is wonderful too. Some fantastic guitar lines, a glorious keyboard part, a lovely windswept harmonica, and a brilliant sing-along chorus. As if that’s not enough, Chrissie Hynde drops by to contribute some gorgeous harmonies. Great work guys!

I agree. 8/10 for me.


Agreed. I think the use of POV in the song is really clever too, because (and this is purely my reading of it) I don't think the opening verses are Morrissey speaking. He sounds like an observer, narrating a conversation between the young boy/girl and the politician ("she laughed and said ...").

So it's the politician giving the typical Daily Mail-baiting lecture about drunken louts, but then Morrissey pulls him up on it in the last verse ("will you listen to yourself just once in your life"), and points out that he should feel just as ashamed as the kids he's lecturing.

And as you say, the music is fantastic. I love the harmonica in the break. Then there's that vocal, and his different creative ways of singing "what's your na-ha-hame ..."

Love it. 9/10.

Oooh, I'd never thought about the POV in that way or that deeply before, but now you say it, it makes sense. :)

[Barking]

Oooh, I'd never thought about the POV in that way or that deeply before, but now you say it, it makes sense. :)

Oooh... POV...Kinda like Morrissey singing Ordinary Boys and someone telling him to stfu because he doesn't know anything about supermarket clothes? :) (it's true, I once found very nice pyjamas.)

Of course talking to a politician you wouldn't talk about undies and stuff. Would you. ("bras are ridiculously expensive. Why? It's pissing me off, Mr Prime Minister!" :mad:)

(small? :confused:
faces? :confused:
where? :confused:)

[Gregor Samsa]

Not as good as Education, but still strong. A 7.

[ChristianDior]

A true 9.
Very solid song, politicians do in fact put people in early graves, and this is one of the most important message songs from Morrissey in this century. Jerry Finn, right now choirs of angels are in his celestial production booth going over tracks, because he was called home..

[Dave]

One of his best songs. This might be in my top 10.

[hand in glove]

I think it's brilliant. I have fun listening to it - it's a good solid pop song.

[ChristianDior]

I found this :the sample at the beginning of the song is in French: "Salaud Mauricet, dégueulasse, tes jours sont comptés Mauricet... Il va t'arriver du mouron Mauricet!", which roughly translates to "Bastard Mauricet, disgusting, your days are numbered Mauricet... something fatal will happen to you Mauricet!". The 't' at the end of 'Mauricet' is silent and therefore the name sounds like 'Morrissey' to the English ear. The sample was lifted from the 1959 film "Les 400 coups" ("The 400 Blows)
My favorite track from the album, the sharpest sword..

[Dave]

This is a fantastic song - way up there in his top 10 of the decade.
With a tale taking in the shame of politicians, the plight of feckless youth, the death of armed forces personnel, no-one else has written a song which is so 2009. Not only are the lyrics a welcome respite from the well-worn unrequited love theme, with some splendid turns of phrase (dim-ass teen on the spree!), but the music is wonderful too. Some fantastic guitar lines, a glorious keyboard part, a lovely windswept harmonica, and a brilliant sing-along chorus. As if that’s not enough, Chrissie Hynde drops by to contribute some gorgeous harmonies. Great work guys!

That's a very good point and I totally agree with this.