Mozipedia - What have you learnt?

[Dave2006]

I've only managed to get through A and a little bit of B, but I've leant a couple of things that I never knew:

I never knew that Joan Armatrading was a source for inspiration and lifting lyrics.

It completely passed me by that he won an Ivor Novello for Outstanding Contribution to Music in 1998

I had no idea that Morrissey is supposed to look like Stanley Baldwin :lbf:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/08/02/arts/dave600.450.1.jpg

So, what nuggets have you learnt?

Dave

[Uncleskinny]

Mrs F is a Joan Armatrading fan, so we knew about that. I was constantly suprised by the film and literary references, they had nearly all passed me by.

Peter

[vivabob]

if you drop it on your foot it hurts ....:blushing: fact :(

[FlowSnakes]

if you drop it on your foot it hurts ....:blushing: fact :(

It also hurts when it's on top of a stack of books on your radiator next to the couch and you try to get at one of the books under it and it falls down and hits your head. :blushing:

Eh, the whole section about food was news to me... well, probably just to me? :o

[CrookedLittleVein]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/08/02/arts/dave600.450.1.jpg


Erm, I've not got my copy of Mozipedia yet, but isn't that Stanley Baker? ;)

[prisoner77]

Erm, I've not got my copy of Mozipedia yet, but isn't that Stanley Baker? ;)

Yes it's William Stanley...hmmm.

[Dave2006]

Erm, I've not got my copy of Mozipedia yet, but isn't that Stanley Baker? ;)

Sorry. You are right. Morrissey looks nothing like a Tory leader. Doh!

But he looks nothing like the photo of Stanley Baker, either :lbf:

Dave

[Kewpie]

Sorry. You are right. Morrissey looks nothing like a Tory leader. Doh!

But he looks nothing like the photo of Stanley Baker, either :lbf:

Dave

Which film is it?

[joe frady]

'Hell Drivers' (1957), directed by Cy Endfield, co-starring Patrick McGoohan, Herbert Lom and Sean Connery. Cracking little film about dirty truckers!

[Kewpie]

'Hell Drivers' (1957), directed by Cy Endfield, co-starring Patrick McGoohan, Herbert Lom and Sean Connery. Cracking little film about dirty truckers!

Thank you very much Joe. :)

I found another still:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews30/a%20hell%20drivers/hell%20drivers%20PDVD_003.jpg

[CrookedLittleVein]

Sorry. You are right. Morrissey looks nothing like a Tory leader. Doh!

But he looks nothing like the photo of Stanley Baker, either :lbf:

Dave

Yes, not the best pic to illustrate the supposed similarity.

This one is a bit more on the money, I think:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/halloffame/showbiz/images/stanley_baker200.jpg

[Spyderfyngers]

I've learnt that, if you try to throw Morrissey into a swimming pool, he will scream about his perforated eardrums until you put him down and leave him alone.

Good to know.

[Barking]

I never knew that Joan Armatrading was a source for inspiration and lifting lyrics.

:confused: Joan Who? 'Never heard of her! :eek:
Bloody hell, tis a bit of a shock. I need a cuppa. :straightface:

[Bluebirds]

Morrissey likes eating white things.

John Garfield inspiration for ROTT (I was rewding his little potted biog on the toilet this morning)

The Cockney Rejects bassist was related to Jack the Hat McVitie

[mcrickson]

Before Morrissey became a solo artist, he was in a band called 'The Smiths.' :confused:

[Dave2006]

I'm up to 'D' now

I didn't know that Joe Dallesandro was on the cover of Rolling Stones Sticky Fingers as well as The Smiths.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/RSSF71.jpg

But then I don't scour wiki either:

A Warhol photograph of the large crotch bulge of Dallesandro's tight blue jeans graces the famous cover of the Rolling Stones album Sticky Fingers. Dallesandro explained to biographer Michael Ferguson, “It was just out of a collection of junk photos that Andy pulled from. He didn't pull it out for the design or anything, it was just the first one he got that he felt was the right shape to fit what he wanted to use for the fly.” The 1980s British band The Smiths would later use a still photograph of Dallesandro from the film Flesh as the cover of their eponymous debut album.


Dave

[everly]

I haven't read the book, but I've heard from people that have that he writes a great deal about the 1960s band Herman's Hermits of whom Morrissey is a big fan of. What exactly does he say about HH?

[CrystalGeezer]

I've learnt that, if you try to throw Morrissey into a swimming pool, he will scream about his perforated eardrums until you put him down and leave him alone.

Good to know.

Morrissey has perforated eardrums? So he was like that kid at the pool in the summertime who was always swimming around that had cotton balls melting out of his ears because they couldn't get wet? :eek: There was ALWAYS one of those little boys around, how strange.

[MuteWitness616]

anything on Marilyn Manson?

[Ryan.]

I've walked into my university bookstore for about the last 6 weeks randomly checking the music section, and surely enough I see this book there today. Bought it, will start reading tomorrow. :)

[Ryan.]

Flicked through it a bit last night and tonight. To call it awesome is an understatement - absolutely worth every penny!

[Girl-with-the-Thorn]

That Morrissey is just as picky about food as me (if not more so). :p

[dzhemini]

I ordered mine and Amazon told me it is shipped... I should get it next week. I can't wait! :D

[M-in-Oz]

Got my copy yesterday so still flicking through it - but the bit about Morrissey liking the song 'Ride On Time' by Black Box freaked me out a little. I was close to not reading anymore entries.

[joe frady]

Got my copy yesterday so still flicking through it - but the bit about Morrissey liking the song 'Ride On Time' by Black Box freaked me out a little. I was close to not reading anymore entries.
I remember choking on my chips reading the interview where he said that cos he also said he thought the 'singer' looked like she'd make a decent rugby player! :)

[j0wled]

Found a bookshop with a couple of copies of this the other day. Finding what I want in an actual store is so much better than ordering off the net. Now all I need is a bit of extra cash to actually buy the bloody thing. But I must have it.

[Dave2006]

I've just leant that I lived in the same house as Johnny Marr. How cool is that? :guitar:


p252 "There was also Andrew Berry, the hairdresser and DJ who stayed on Palatine Road, home to Factory Records, where Marr would also briefly lodge".

I've mentioned living here before http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=1014187&postcount=17 it's by far the coolest place I've ever lived, but had no idea that Johnny used to live there as well.

Apparently, Marr "led a mercurial life, bouncing from Rohde's house (Shelly Rhode Granada presenter) in Bowden to Berry's in Didsbury"

He met Morrissey in 1982 and it's well known that they used to spend time at Morrissey's house in Stretford and in Marr's house in Bowden where they first wrote Suffer Little Children and The Hand That Rock's the cradle.

There's the slimmest possibility that they my have done something in Palatine Road - is anyone in touch with Simon Goddard to see if he knows and if he knows which flat Berry lived?

Dave

[Dave2006]

This photo is from wikipedia it's the house on Palatine Road that once was Factory Records and (brielfy) Johnny Marr's house.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/86palatineroad.jpg/225px-86palatineroad.jpg
Flat one is ground floor on the left as we look at it - that was Factory records office. When I lived there the cellars were full of old Factory stuff. Probably worth a fortune these days...
I lived in flat 6, top floor - the small square windows at the top right of the pic.

Whilst I lived there it was temporarily used as a film set for 24 hour party people - I met Tony Wilson and Steve Coogan dressed as Tony Wilson :D

Happy days... I didn't have kids... rode a classic motorbike...

Dave

[Bluebirds]

This photo is from wikipedia it's the house on Palatine Road that once was Factory Records and (brielfy) Johnny Marr's house.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/86palatineroad.jpg/225px-86palatineroad.jpg
Flat one is ground floor on the left as we look at it - that was Factory records office. When I lived there the cellars were full of old Factory stuff. Probably worth a fortune these days...
I lived in flat 6, top floor - the small square windows at the top right of the pic.

Whilst I lived there it was temporarily used as a film set for 24 hour party people - I met Tony Wilson and Steve Coogan dressed as Tony Wilson :D

Happy days... I didn't have kids... rode a classic motorbike...

Dave

they should stick one of those blue heritage plaques outside. Great coincidence.

A friend of mine lived in a flat that is owned by Boycie's wife, Marlene, in Only Fools And Horses (the actress not Marlene!) I'll get my coat

[Ryan.]

It reminded me that he played every song from YATQ live except Come Back To Camden. That made me sad.

[celibate]

learnt is not the right word

it became what encyclopdia's are for, looking up things, about a song

it's not a book you start with page 1, so if I'm into it, I take it and randomly
read something.

It's a neverending piece of facts, a must have book for everyone whose into
The Smiths / Morrissey

[though an update from Peepholism would be awesome, but Jo seem
to got a note on her carscreen too, or whatever reason:confused:, maybe Linder
can do part 2, with Jo]

[callboy]

I've learned that there are too many books about Morrissey.

[Gregor Samsa]

I actually read the whole book, from page one to the last. Even though it's an encyclopedia. And it is mindblowingly fantastic.

The biggest thrill for me has been discovering new music, films, and books. Stuff that's mentioned in the book.

[Soil Falling Over]

It reminded me that he played every song from YATQ live except Come Back To Camden. That made me sad.

I was at a concert where someone requested "...Camden" and his reply was that he hadn't figured out how to do that one live. Shame; it's so wonderful.

I too have learned much from the volume, and generally just pick it up when a particular song is foremost in my mind and want to compare my interpretation to his.....

re: above mentions of Jo Slee; I was surprised that while I came across a passing mention of her in an entry, she didn't earn an entry of her own. As many people who are 2- or 3-times removed from the man are discussed in depth, it would have made sense to at least provide some basics on this PA who had clocked many hours with the man (and produced such a valued book....). Oh well, just idle curiosity, but in many ways this volume addresses such curiosities so well.....

[starless]

It is scarliy detailed.

[JoyDiv007]

I still need to get this book and after reading this thread, maybe I'll get it this weekend. If I can find if, or I'll order it online.

[Ryan.]

I was at a concert where someone requested "...Camden" and his reply was that he hadn't figured out how to do that one live. Shame; it's so wonderful.

It is, probably one of the strongest points of the lp.

[DIRTYHARRY]

I still need to get this book and after reading this thread, maybe I'll get it this weekend. If I can find if, or I'll order it online.

You read my mind :)

[roky]

This photo is from wikipedia it's the house on Palatine Road that once was Factory Records and (brielfy) Johnny Marr's house.

Flat one is ground floor on the left as we look at it - that was Factory records office. When I lived there the cellars were full of old Factory stuff. Probably worth a fortune these days...
I lived in flat 6, top floor - the small square windows at the top right of the pic.

Whilst I lived there it was temporarily used as a film set for 24 hour party people - I met Tony Wilson and Steve Coogan dressed as Tony Wilson :D

Happy days... I didn't have kids... rode a classic motorbike...

Dave

That is really cool Dave.

[Dave2006]

That is really cool Dave.

I know!
Thanks :thumb:

Dave

[kimmy sticks]

I've been looking for this book online but it seems it's only available overseas (I am in the US). Anyone know if it'll be released worldwide, or at least out of the UK? I could buy it through amazon.co.uk but I'm being cheap and trying to find it domestically because of the exchange rate ;) Thanks!!

[Stuheff]

I tell you, I never knew that Moz likes his bluegrass and creole music... Still can't quite get my head around that one.

[Kewpie]

I tell you, I never knew that Moz likes his bluegrass and creole music... Still can't quite get my head around that one.


Morrissey loves rockabilly which is somewhat related to bluegrass and creole music.

[Gregor Samsa]

I've been looking for this book online but it seems it's only available overseas (I am in the US). Anyone know if it'll be released worldwide, or at least out of the UK? I could buy it through amazon.co.uk but I'm being cheap and trying to find it domestically because of the exchange rate ;) Thanks!!

It is quite easily available in Sweden and in swedish web-shops.. Baffling that it's not available in the US. :crazy:

[Kewpie]

It is quite easily available in Sweden and in swedish web-shops.. Baffling that it's not available in the US.


Distribution channels in EU and US are different, as simple as that.

Hopefully a US publishing deal will be signed soon.

[kimmy sticks]

Distribution channels in EU and US are different, as simple as that.

Hopefully a US publishing deal will be signed soon.

True - I will probably end up purchasing it overseas - I'm not usually one for patience :)

[Gregor Samsa]

Distribution channels in EU and US are different, as simple as that.

Hopefully a US publishing deal will be signed soon.

Ah... Naturally.

[Neader]

I got it overseas.

I found it amusing, worth the purchase but didn't match my expectations.

[Gregor Samsa]

I got it overseas.

I found it amusing, worth the purchase but didn't match my expectations.

You must have had some perverse expectations.

[Soil Falling Over]

I've been looking for this book online but it seems it's only available overseas (I am in the US). Anyone know if it'll be released worldwide, or at least out of the UK? I could buy it through amazon.co.uk but I'm being cheap and trying to find it domestically because of the exchange rate ;) Thanks!!

I doubt it will be printed in the US & if you were to find it on an import shelf state-side, the retailer likely marks-up imports beyond the exchange rate... a "convenience premium." I found a few US sites that were importing copies, but it was cheaper to order from amazon.co.uk (exchange rate and all....)

[Sim Tappertit]

From the not-always-reliable Wikipedia:

"The American edition of Mozipedia will be published by Penguin (USA) in autumn 2010"

[Tingle3]

On the Joan Armatrading thing again, (I went to her concert at the Royal Albert Hall yesterday BTW), I see that her new album is titled "This Charming Life". Not surprisingly at least one reviewer on Amazon got it wrong and typed "This Charming Man". Maybe when "Armatradapedia" is written there'll be an entry on how Joan was influenced by Moz.

[Johnny]

That there was serious issues regarding songwriting between Boz and Alain.

Both were competitive at getting as many songs as possible on the records.

Also that both played very little on songs composed by the other

[jackson]

Morrissey loves rockabilly which is somewhat related to bluegrass and creole music.

When he was in New Orleans in 1992 he bought tons of jazz, creole, and Zydeco from a store named Record Ron's.

[Barking]

That there was serious issues regarding songwriting between Boz and Alain.

Both were competitive at getting as many songs as possible on the records.

Also that both played very little on songs composed by the other

So what's the implication in that? That they were both just after the money, and that they don't even like each other?

Jayzis. That book is really a must-read. :rolleyes:

[menju56]

I just bought Mozipedia the other day and I have to say I'm learning quite a lot from it! Very interesting reading.

[bored]

When he was in New Orleans in 1992 he bought tons of jazz, creole, and Zydeco from a store named Record Ron's.

Funny he bought Jazz. On the Late Late show.. either with Kilbourne or Ferguson.. can't remember which but the host said he liked Jazz and Moz said, "It's going nowhere."

[death below the stairs]

Funny he bought Jazz. On the Late Late show.. either with Kilbourne or Ferguson.. can't remember which but the host said he liked Jazz and Moz said, "It's going nowhere."

This is shameful I know but I haven't bought the book yet!!!!
I thought I would wait for it to go down in value
I want to know more.
Damn I must buy it,
please some one give me more tasters, especially gossip, music film sources.
Damn I am poor this months as well!

PS stanley Baxter was in a film called Home to Danger. " rush home to danger wind up nowhere"

[Girl-with-the-Thorn]

Funny he bought Jazz. On the Late Late show.. either with Kilbourne or Ferguson.. can't remember which but the host said he liked Jazz and Moz said, "It's going nowhere."

It was Kilborn. :)

[Aly]

That Morrissey is just as picky about food as me (if not more so). :p

I was delighted to discover that too. At least now I can try to justify my own aversion to curries and chilli (something I've often been ridiculed for) by saying "well, Morrissey doesn't like them either!". :)


This photo is from wikipedia it's the house on Palatine Road that once was Factory Records and (brielfy) Johnny Marr's house.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/86palatineroad.jpg/225px-86palatineroad.jpg
Flat one is ground floor on the left as we look at it - that was Factory records office. When I lived there the cellars were full of old Factory stuff. Probably worth a fortune these days...
I lived in flat 6, top floor - the small square windows at the top right of the pic.

Whilst I lived there it was temporarily used as a film set for 24 hour party people - I met Tony Wilson and Steve Coogan dressed as Tony Wilson :D

Happy days... I didn't have kids... rode a classic motorbike...

Dave

That's amazing, Dave. You lucky thing! A piece of Smiths history...

I learned from the Mozipedia that his favourite musical instrument is the drums, his favourite movie circa 1992 was "Romper Stomper", and he believes in ghosts.

Also (during the Smiths era, at least) Morrissey would wash all his clothes by hand in the bathtub. And that we wore Marks & Spencer underpants. :o

[georgejallen]

The bit about Morrissey eating puréed peas in pastry made me laugh! How strange...I wonder if he still eats it as comfort food

[mbatey]

I didn't learn the origins of the title 'Beethoven Was Deaf'. I'm 95%convinced that it was the punchline to a joke I once heard on The Comedians (a seventies TV showcase of mainly northern comics). But the BWD entry in Mozipedia just provides a few biographical titbits about the composer.

I'd love to hear that joke again.

[mbatey]

[Uncleskinny]

The bit about Morrissey eating puréed peas in pastry made me laugh! How strange...I wonder if he still eats it as comfort food

Don't knock it. They're fecking gorgeous (http://www.mushypeas.co.uk/products.htm?pid=8).

Peter