Post a suggestion to Simon Goddard - Mozipedia correction thread

[Kewpie]

Some people already pointed out omissions of the following people from the book:

Tim Broad
Jo Slee



What / who else you found / would like to add?


*edit*
Thanks Peter, I haven't read the book yet, didn't know Julia is mentioned.

[Raphael Lambach]

Will he read our suggestions?

And.. why don't suggest Vulgar Picture web site as source of information about Morrisseys/Smiths' album covers?

[Flax]

My suggestion is:

- Kewpie *shurugs*

[Raphael Lambach]

Nothing to say about my suggestion, flax?

[Raphael Lambach]

Julia Riley *shurugs*


I cant believe that Kewpie is making English mistakes....
Am I dreaming?

[Emotional Guide Dog]

I would go as far as to say that if it's got important people missing like Jo Slee & Tim Broad from it, I'll wait for a 'second edition' before parting with my hard earned.

[Uncleskinny]

Julia Riley is there quite a lot, under True-To-You, and at the back in the acknowledgments preamble.

Peter

[Jukebox Jury]

A few people have mentioned Jo Slee is absent..... but on what basis should the inclusion be on? That she produced a book or that she was a personal assistant?
If the latter, well Grant Showbiz isn't in there.... as well as many other ''back stage helpers'' (meant in no disrespect).

If it is because she produced a book, well the only book I can see that is mentioned* is Rogan's 'Severed Allience'. So there are plenty of other books / authors that could also have been included, but haven't as the books maybe related to Morrissey, but Morrissey is not related to the books...if you follow my drift.

*(I meant as a title to an entry - Linder's ''Morrissey Shot'' gets a plug in her section and Phill Gatenby's excellent ''Morrissey's Manchester'' gets a plug on page 249:thumb:)

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[yesitis]

Oh, just remembered, Phill Gatenby's excellent ''Morrissey's Manchester'' gets a plug on page 249:thumb:

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coolio. what does he say?

[Jukebox Jury]

coolio. what does he say?

He says ''every Morrissey fan should own four copies'':thumb:
:lbf:

There is section on 'Manchester', naming the places such as Holy Name Church, Rusholme etc etc etc. Just adds at the end, that all of the places are in the book ''Morrissey's Manchester'' etc etc:cool:

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[Brel]

A few people have mentioned Jo Slee is absent..... but on what basis should the inclusion be on? That she produced a book or that she was a personal assistant?
If the latter, well Grant Showbiz isn't in there.... as well as many other ''back stage helpers'' (meant in no disrespect).

If it is because she produced a book, well the only book I can see that is mentioned* is Rogan's 'Severed Allience'. So there are plenty of other books / authors that could also have been included, but haven't as the books maybe related to Morrissey, but Morrissey is not related to the books...if you follow my drift.

*(I meant as a title to an entry - Linder's ''Morrissey Shot'' gets a plug in her section and Phill Gatenby's excellent ''Morrissey's Manchester'' gets a plug on page 249:thumb:)

Jukebox Jury

But this is an Encyclopedia of all things Morrissey. So omissions will attract the glare of attention.

[Billtwasreallynowt]

Simon Goddard - Did he get a mention? He probably should have had an entry on the back of his books :)

[Spring-Heeled_Jim]

I noticed confusion over the Jake Owen / Jake Walters issue in the book. But then that's such a confused issue in itself anyway. Quite fitting, really.

[Kewpie]

I noticed confusion over the Jake Owen / Jake Walters issue in the book. But then that's such a confused issue in itself anyway. Quite fitting, really.

Actually mystery has been sloved (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=83728/)

[King Leer]

You mean the book isn't clear that they're one and the same, or just the confusion over the two names he used?

Good point above about all the backstage people/personal managers/rent-a-chaps (ahem) but Tim Broad should reallly be in there.

Edit: I take it that that means James O'Brien is in there? Always wondered why he stopped working with Morrissey on videos.

Nonetheless, I hope the people who've bought it so far think it's worth the money. Still on my consider list.


I noticed confusion over the Jake Owen / Jake Walters issue in the book. But then that's such a confused issue in itself anyway. Quite fitting, really.

[Dave2006]

coolio. what does he say?

He described it as "the only essential guidebook" for anyone wanting to trace Morrissey's footsteps around Manchester.

Praise indeed.

Dave

[King Leer]

Tim Broad was one of several people working closely with Morrissey who passed away in a short span of time. O'Brien seemed to seamlessly pick up where Broad left off, skinheads and all (a Morrissey request, I'm sure), and then he was gone, until the The Importance Of... documentary.

He came across as very well spoken, well groomed, obviously gay, and he laid the subtext on thick.

It's true people like video directors had no influence on the music, but something like Introducing M. or the Boxers video (more like a short film) were important works in defining the visual World of Morrissey.



No, James O'Brien is not in there. I re-checked the The Importance of Being Morrissey documentary, because I first thought that he was Tim Broad. Then googled him and had the fascinating read of the mainboard of this website about who did not want what included in this documentary and who did not feel his or her words represented well. James O'Brien had really impressed me whenever I watched that documentary and each time I wished I had a friend like this. Not everybody is able to swing somebody around who is soaked up in depressive thoughts, certainly none of my close encounters in life, and he seems to have some special abilities in that area.

[Jukebox Jury]

But this is an Encyclopedia of all things Morrissey. So omissions will attract the glare of attention.

I look at it that it is a book of all things Morrissey (Smiths) that he wrote about / was influenced by.
Tim Broad made videos of Morrissey's work (as Jo Slee wrote a book on Morrissey's work.)
I'm sure that's why they are not included...... however........I have just looked to see if Derek Jarman is included..... and he is:eek:

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[Silke]

Tim Broad was one of several people working closely with Morrissey who passed away in a short span of time. O'Brien seemed to seamlessly pick up where Broad left off, skinheads and all (a Morrissey request, I'm sure), and then he was gone, until the The Importance Of... documentary.

He came across as very well spoken, well groomed, obviously gay, and he laid the subtext on thick.

It's true people like video directors had no influence on the music, but something like Introducing M. or the Boxers video (more like a short film) were important works in defining the visual World of Morrissey.

Thanks for the info. Just googled "thick", and its translation and obviously gay is not what I thought of when I saw him in the documentary, in fact did not cross my mind for a second until you just mentioned it. What do you mean by "he laid the subtext on thick"?

[Jukebox Jury]

Thanks for the info. Just googled "thick", and its translation and obviously gay is not what I thought of when I saw him in the documentary, in fact did not cross my mind for a second until you just mentioned it. What do you mean by "he laid the subtext on thick"?

''Laid the subtext on thick''

Lots of it.... Like you would spread tomato ketchup on a bag of chips..... thickly....

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[Brel]

''Laid the subtext on thick''

Lots of it.... Like you would spread tomato ketchup on a bag of chips..... thickly....

Jukebox Jury

Wouldn't you squirt the ketchup, as opposed to spreading it? Or hold the bottle and slap the base?

What was the question again? :)

[Kewpie]

Wouldn't you squirt the ketchup, as opposed to spreading it? Or hold the bottle and slap the base?

What was the question again? :)

Sorry guys, please stop hijacking the thread.

Thanks.

[Jukebox Jury]

Wouldn't you squirt the ketchup, as opposed to spreading it? Or hold the bottle and slap the base?

What was the question again? :)

Ha ha, I was with my youngest this afternoon in a chippy in Chorlton, and she bought a very little plastic square 'pot' of ketchup (20p).... she got her knife, dipped it in the pot and spread it over her chips:thumb:

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[Brel]

Sorry guys, please stop hijacking the thread.

Thanks.

Live a little :crazy:

[Jukebox Jury]

Live a little :crazy:

Kewpie
Spread a little love.....in 20p square plastic pots:thumb:

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[joe frady]

I think James O'Brien went on to a glittering career in live event TV directing ~ he did stuff like the MTV Europe awards, Brits, etc. Certainly earned far more wonga than he would've shooting pop videos for Moz, etc.
Oh and ye cannae beat white bread chip butty, lashings of Heinz Tomato Ketchup spread thickly on each slice, mountain of chips, then lashings more sauce over the mountain. To be eaten as part of a varied and balanced diet ;)

[King Leer]

Didn't know that -- interesting. Not much on the web about him.

Zack Snyder (dir. of "Tomorrow" vid) went on to do movies like 300 and Watchmen. Should follow up on some of the other directors.

I think all the video directors should be in the book, even if it's just a credit. It's funny that Jarman is the only one since, correct me if I'm wrong, he's the only one who didn't work with Moz in person, or even meet him (?)




I think James O'Brien went on to a glittering career in live event TV directing ~ he did stuff like the MTV Europe awards, Brits, etc. Certainly earned far more wonga than he would've shooting pop videos for Moz, etc.
Oh and ye cannae beat white bread chip butty, lashings of Heinz Tomato Ketchup spread thickly on each slice, mountain of chips, then lashings more sauce over the mountain. To be eaten as part of a varied and balanced diet ;)

[celibate]

Some people already pointed out omissions of the following people from the book:

Tim Broad
Jo Slee



What / who else you found / would like to add?


*edit*
Thanks Peter, I haven't read the book yet, didn't know Julia is mentioned.


Jo Slee is indeed oddd though she's mentioned somewhere as Nanny production bitch, in the Your Arsenal time, it was 'certain people I know, where she wrote in her own book that the band had a night partying and drinking against
Jo's advice, so they werent that fit to do an uplifting cheerfull making
of the videoclip, maybe after that Jo had enough and went on making her
stunning book 'into the art of Morrissey, PEEPHOLISM'from that time Jo's
somehow out of sight

did she ever mentioned after on sleeves after Your Arsenal?
think no, Morrissey used Linder's pic's a lot from Morrissey Shot

have to check on Riley, and our webmaster David T.
its not a book you start reading from page one, you open up and read a few items, or check
Still it's worth every penny/eurocent

[joe frady]

Didn't know that -- interesting. Not much on the web about him.

Zack Snyder (dir. of "Tomorrow" vid) went on to do movies like 300 and Watchmen. Should follow up on some of the other directors.

I think all the video directors should be in the book, even if it's just a credit. It's funny that Jarman is the only one since, correct me if I'm wrong, he's the only one who didn't work with Moz in person, or even meet him (?)
Not only did Jarman never meet him, he didn't even like him. Said in an interview once 'he (Moz) is not really very intelligent you know'. Translation: he wasn't buggered at Oxbridge. Snobby tit.

[smiler]

excellent book

but

the word "Mozzerian" is included (that relating to Morrissey) pronounced moss-air-ee-an. Such a word does not exist and hopefully never will - It sounds like a place where corpses go to get a tan.

The correct word is infact, as we all know "Morrisian" pronounced Mor-ris-ian like Parisian.

Will someone please tell Simon.

[Kewpie]

excellent book

but

the word "Mozzerian" is included (that relating to Morrissey) pronounced moss-air-ee-an. Such a word does not exist and hopefully never will - It sounds like a place where corpses go to get a tan.

The correct word is infact, as we all know "Morrisian" pronounced Mor-ris-ian like Parisian.

Will someone please tell Simon.

I'd prefer to pronounce Morrissian as mor-risee-an.

[smiler]

I'd prefer to pronounce Morrissian as mor-risee-an.

you are quite wrong - even your spelling is wrong - who is "Morris" and who is "Ian"? who ever they are, they have been pushed together to form your ugly word - why?

the word is pronounced like Parisian as everyone knows.

[roky]

Is that a mistake in the "Everyday Is Like Sunday" entry?

[Jukebox Jury]

Is that a mistake in the "Everyday Is Like Sunday" entry?

Is what a mistake in the ''Everyday Is Like Sunday'' entry?:confused:

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[kyleleonard]

too many words, not enough pictures, in my opinion...

[Kewpie]

too many words, not enough pictures, in my opinion...

Do you know what is an encyclopedia? :rolleyes:

[kyleleonard]

no, what is one of those?!

[Kewpie]

no, what is one of those?!

Too bad.
Mozipedia is 'an encyclopedia' of Smiths and Morrissey.

[kyleleonard]

what does that mean exactly?

[Kewpie]

An encyclopedia is

a book or set of books containing articles on various topics, usually in alphabetical arrangement, covering all branches of knowledge or, less commonly, all aspects of one subject.

[kyleleonard]

also, who's to say an encyclopedia can't contain pictures?

surely an encyclopedia does contain them, to show what it's talking about, i don't mean for everything, just for at least 1 per page.

EXAMPLE (http://www.modelenginecollecting.com/photos/Encyclopedia-page-2.jpg)

[Kewpie]

also, who's to say an encyclopedia can't contain pictures?

surely an encyclopedia does contain them, to show what it's talking about, i don't mean for everything, just for at least 1 per page.

EXAMPLE (http://www.modelenginecollecting.com/photos/Encyclopedia-page-2.jpg)


I never said an encyclopedia cannot contain pictures.
Usually you expect more words than pictures in an encyclopedia because it's a book detailing about a specific subject.

[roky]

Is what a mistake in the ''Everyday Is Like Sunday'' entry?:confused:

Jukebox Jury
It says in the EDILS video "The final version starred Smiths fan Lucette Henderson (previously one of the cyclists in 'I Started Something I couldn't Finish')

Wasn't she a cyclists in the "Stop Me" video?

[Maurice E]

Tony the Pony; the lyric is 'soft touch' not 'fucked up'.
it is clearly 'soft touch' if you listen with headphones, it also suits the description of the character better, plus back in the early 90's Moz was still capable of subtlety in his lyrics!

[Kewpie]

It says in the EDILS video "The final version starred Smiths fan Lucette Henderson (previously one of the cyclists in 'I Started Something I couldn't Finish')

Wasn't she a cyclists in the "Stop Me" video?

I've seen the same video footages of 'I Started Something I Couldn't Finish' and 'Stop Me'.

You find them from youtube.

http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/smiths-vl.htm

"Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before" (1987)
"I Started Something I Couldn't Finish" (1987)
Videos were shot on 18 October 1987 (so a few months after the Smiths split) for "I Started Something I Couldn't Finish" and "Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before". The same footage of Morrissey biking through Manchester and Salford with a dozen or more look-alike fans was used for both. The fans were found from the Smiths Indeed fanzine. Morrissey's idea was to show Smiths' landmarks around Manchester, with the fans riding behind him as if they were chasing him around. Both videos were directed by Tim Broad. The "Stop Me..." video is on "The Complete Picture".
This footage of Morrissey and fans was used again in 1992 by WEA for a new video promoting the "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" single.

[celibate]

[QUOTE=Kewpie;1213458]I've seen the same video footages of 'I Started Something I Couldn't Finish' and 'Stop Me'.


QUOTE]

right, always was and has

[Jukebox Jury]

It says in the EDILS video "The final version starred Smiths fan Lucette Henderson (previously one of the cyclists in 'I Started Something I couldn't Finish')

Wasn't she a cyclists in the "Stop Me" video?

The film was originally shot for the video of 'Stop me.....'
However, just before release, 'The Hungerford Massacre' (google it) happened in Wiltshire, UK....and the line.....''to plan a mass murder'' was deemed to close to home..... so in the UK, 'Stop Me....' was swapped for 'I Started Something....' and the record company simply used the same video for both releases.

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[celibate]

The film was originally shot for the video of 'Stop me.....'
However, just before release, 'The Hungerford Massacre' (google it) happened in Wiltshire, UK....and the line.....''to plan a mass murder'' was deemed to close to home..... so in the UK, 'Stop Me....' was swapped for 'I Started Something....' and the record company simply used the same video for both releases.

Jukebox Jury

was it the fire in that old wooden football place?

didn't google, the tube bombings are from his solo days,and Lockerbie
is another tragic terrorist plain crashing

still got live footage of the Heizel drama, cupfinal ofJuventus-Liverpool?
Belgium tv, dutch also, their tv commentors came in to check, so inmediately
it was on Tv live, shocking live tv [also on youtube]

still they should've decided not to play, sorry for turning this good thread into a football accident drama thread

[Jukebox Jury]

was it the fire in that old wooden football place?

didn't google, the tube bombings are from his solo days,and Lockerbie
is another tragic terrorist plain crashing

still got live footage of the Heizel drama, cupfinal ofJuventus-Liverpool?
Belgium tv, dutch also, their tv commentors came in to check, so inmediately
it was on Tv live, shocking live tv [also on youtube]

still they should've decided not to play, sorry for turning this good thread into a football accident drama thread

Michael Ryan went on the rampage in the town of Hungerford with a gun, shooting randomly..... killed 17 people (the last person being himself)

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[Raphael Lambach]

also, who's to say an encyclopedia can't contain pictures?

surely an encyclopedia does contain them, to show what it's talking about, i don't mean for everything, just for at least 1 per page.

EXAMPLE (http://www.modelenginecollecting.com/photos/Encyclopedia-page-2.jpg)


I never said an encyclopedia cannot contain pictures.
Usually you expect more words than pictures in an encyclopedia because it's a book detailing about a specific subject.

An encyclopedia can contain picture...

[Raphael Lambach]

It says in the EDILS video "The final version starred Smiths fan Lucette Henderson (previously one of the cyclists in 'I Started Something I couldn't Finish')

Wasn't she a cyclists in the "Stop Me" video?


I've seen the same video footages of 'I Started Something I Couldn't Finish' and 'Stop Me'.

You find them from youtube.

http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/smiths-vl.htm

They have the same footages

[Bluebirds]

Its a great book. maybe Goddard didn't include video directors as they are not a fundamental part of the Morrissey oeuvre? Has the man ever done a decent video? No.

I think Jo Slee was deliberately omitted. why I don't know but for someone who has obviously dedicated the better part of the witching hours in compiling the book I would be surprised. Maybe shes still fiercely loyal to His Master's Voice.

I would change the entry for this website from "its egalitarian interactive portals of user comments have a habit of drawing in the lunatic fringe minority" I don't think lunatic even broaches the subject

I'm shocked one of our esteemed panel of moderators didn't get a mention myself. Maybe we should petition Simon to get them an entry in the rear

[Jukebox Jury]

Its a great book. maybe Goddard didn't include video directors as they are not a fundamental part of the Morrissey oeuvre?

But Derek Jarman is in their:thumb:

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[Ben Budd]

Kewpie told me to post this:

How Could Anyone Possibly Know How I Feel? is listed as a Whyte song, when it's actually a Boorer one.

ITHANGYEW.

[bored]

I'm shocked one of our esteemed panel of moderators didn't get a mention myself. Maybe we should petition Simon to get them an entry in the rear

I see what you did there. :D
Hopefully I'm not esteemed.

[Kewpie]

Kewpie told me to post this:

How Could Anyone Possibly Know How I Feel? is listed as a Whyte song, when it's actually a Boorer one.

ITHANGYEW.



I thought the title was mis-spelled in the book.
It's called How can anyone possibly know how I feel?
It is an Alain Whyte song.

http://passionsjustlikemine.com/lyrics/moz-w-hcapkhif.htm

I have a copy of YATQ in front of me which listed as Morrissey / Whyte song.

[Ben Budd]

I have spent the last five years believing it to be a Boorer song.

Oh

My

God.

Eyes wide open. What makes this even worse for my Solo cred is that Kewpie had to be the one to correct me. I might as well hang myself gently off the shelf now.

[Kewpie]

Vanity bump

If you found typo or something to say, please post here. :p

[sistasheila]

curious..so has anyone found sth more in the last months
which is wrong , should be have more text on certain points to a topic
or is missing completely?

[Anaesthesine]

How about Morrissey's blood type. :rolleyes:

[21punksalute]

I've been carrying this book around with me ever since I got it. Bury me with it.

Where's Charlie Brown? Maybe one day he will publish his own tell-all stories. Being so close to Morrissey for so long ,you know he's witnessed a lot of visitors coming and going.

[Kewpie]

Charlie Browne is tour manager who does not directly contribute Morrissey's creative process.

[anon x]

Charlie Browne is tour manager who does not directly contribute Morrissey's creative process.

No,but the tour stuff is where the "interesting" goings on go on.

[Kewpie]

No, but the tour stuff is where the "interesting" goings on go on.

Only Morrissey knows where he gets inspirations for his lyrics.

Charlie is one of the loyal staff, but he knows his creative contribution to Morrissey is minute.

[anon x]

Only Morrissey knows where he gets inspirations for his lyrics.

Charlie is one of the loyal staff, but he knows his creative contribution to Morrissey is minute.

:confused: I'm not talking about M's inspiration for lyrics,just saying that tours are when most of the shenanigans go on.

[Kewpie]

:confused: I'm not talking about M's inspiration for lyrics,just saying that tours are when most of the shenanigans go on.

As I said earlier, I disagreed with 21punksalute who thinks omission of Mr Browne should be corrected.
Mozipedia is a book about creative source / background.
Mr Goddard intentionally excluded Jo Slee and some others who do not directly contribute to creative process.


Morrissey might get some inspirations during the tour, but we still don't know where he actually get them.

[dunya]

i understand you are focussing on the Creative contribututors, like Mr Goddard.
However, you must allow this is a thread for suggested additions and some people would like to see entries for those whose support in other ways has been important. It's a long journey to describe and I don't think the tome would have been finished if all the side roads had been explored, but there's clearly interest in the lay-bys and garden paths.
They want to know the gossip. That will be another book, should it be told.

[Kewpie]

i understand you are focussing on the Creative contribututors, like Mr Goddard.
However, you must allow this is a thread for suggested additions and some people would like to see entries for those whose support in other ways has been important. It's a long journey to describe and I don't think the tome would have been finished if all the side roads had been explored, but there's clearly interest in the lay-bys and garden paths.
They want to know the gossip. That will be another book, should it be told.

Maybe it's not Mr Goddard's job, but someone such as Rogan's.

[Razorblade]

Apart from Broad and Slee - only thing I can think of is a misprint re the cellist on Pretty Girls Make Graves. (Audrey Riley and Virginia Astley are not the same person!)

[drifter]

charlie brown

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[Dan133269]

As I said earlier, I disagreed with 21punksalute who thinks omission of Mr Browne should be corrected.
Mozipedia is a book about creative source / background.
Mr Goddard intentionally excluded Jo Slee and some others who do not directly contribute to creative process.


Morrissey might get some inspirations during the tour, but we still don't know where he actually get them.

Clearly says encyclopedia on the front of my copy, not "Morrissey's influences." Even if that were the case, it seems an oversight to not include Gulbert O' Sullivan, Morrissey covering "Nothing Rhymed" and the heavy borrowing from the same song for "Yes, I am Blind" would seem to merit an inclusion.

[Uncleskinny]

Clearly says encyclopedia on the front of my copy, not "Morrissey's influences." Even if that were the case, it seems an oversight to not include Gulbert O' Sullivan, Morrissey covering "Nothing Rhymed" and the heavy borrowing from the same song for "Yes, I am Blind" would seem to merit an inclusion.

Gilbert is in there - there's a whole bit about him under the Nothing Rhymed entry. Goddard, quite rightly, calls him a "severely gifted lyricist". And Yes I Am Blind is referred to in this context also.

P.

[Librarian On Fire]

I was surprised to notice that opening support artist Phranc did not have an entry in "Mozpedia".

One for the what ever happened to columns.

[Dave2006]

I was surprised to notice that opening support artist Phranc did not have an entry in "Mozpedia".

One for the what ever happened to columns.

She sells Tupperware :crazy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phranc

Dave

[CrystalGeezer]

She sells Tupperware :crazy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phranc

Dave

Hey! :mad: Tupperware is rad. :p

[modrevolve]

:lbf:
By the way, how long has Charlie Brown been a part of Moz's touring crew?

charlie brown

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