Barbarism Begins Here

[Jesse James]

I was listening to Meat is Murder yesterday and realized why Im so pissed off at Morrissey;he was so good, stood for such important ideals and look what he has turned into-exactly what he hated!!!!!a comfortable bourgouise-spelling???-who would do well to remember what he once stood for.
Another question, why would you be "celibate" when youre young and handsome, then become an old troll and allegedly have lots of sex????
Help me someone please....
ok Peace love and harmony to all

[Christopher Keating]

Times change and things move on...same for us all really, Morrissey is no different. I'm old enough to remember 1985 ("when I was seventeen...") and I bear no resemblance to the boy I once was either - ideals or otherwise. We can be many things in this lifetime.

The opening cut on 'Meat Is Murder' was a song about cruel sadistic teachers ('The Headmaster Ritual') obviously referencing back to Morrissey's own school days. Ten years on he acknowledged that the subject matter itself had changed, with his awesome track 'The Teachers Are Afraid Of The Pupils' - where the situation had turned completely on its head. That song is easily as good as, if not better than 'The Headmaster Ritual.'

On a more comical level, speedway operators (as referenced on 'Rusholme Ruffians') - if they indeed still exist - would no longer wear 'grease in the hair' - it would be more likely to be wax or gel.

That last point is a glib example of times changing, I know. However, the point I would like to make is that Morrissey's more 'timeless' themes on the record - of low self esteem ('That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore' 'What She Said'), loneliness ('Well I Wonder') and longing ('I Want The One I Can't Have') still ring true and have always remained at the core of his later music. These are the things that will always be so, whatever polictical trends, lifestyles and ideals come and go.

Morrissey has continued to create some excellent music. If you think he's never bettered anything on 'Meat Is Murder' then many people would disagree.

It's just a shame he's gone a little 'quiet' of late. I don't know why he just doesn't press up his own CD's to sell via 'Morrissey Solo' or many of the other fan sites. OK it won't do his 'public profile' any good but at least his faithful can hear and enjoy his music again.

The Smiths are dead...long live The Smiths - but let's keep movin'.

[Vauxhall Driver]

[Vauxhall Driver]

[Donatela]

> I was listening to Meat is Murder yesterday and realized why Im so pissed
> off at Morrissey;he was so good, stood for such important ideals and look
> what he has turned into-exactly what he hated!!!!!

Jeane once posted here that Morrissey EVER liked leather products, so I guess those important ideals sound ridiculous in his mouth to say the least.

a comfortable
> bourgouise-spelling???-who would do well to remember what he once stood
> for.
> Another question, why would you be "celibate" when youre young
> and handsome, then become an old troll and allegedly have lots of sex????
> Help me someone please....

I believe Morrissey was just repressed and confused, like millions of young people everywhere. But I still love to read the saints' byografies, like Joan of Arc's and Francis of Assis'

> ok Peace love and harmony to all

Oh very nice, very nice, very nice, very nice, very nice ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

[jeane]

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[Donatela]

Leave the man alone, he has the right to learn with his own past and his own life. But jeane, you can't forget this is a message board where people will often point their fingers on his nose. We discuss him!

> Don't you think you're being a little harsh? Are people not allowed to
> grow, change their views, put on a few pounds and lose a bit of hair?

> I find the feelings of some here a little sad. As if Morrissey is a
> performing monkey that must answer to every whim of his fans; "Dance,
> monkey, dance!".

> Would you like to be somewhat constantly compared to the person you were
> years ago? How about when you were 15? Should you still feel the way about
> life the way you did then? And should be persecuted for deciding to change
> your mind? I think some here would do well to watch The Elephant Man .

> As for him frequently getting his end in, well, jealous are we?